Feb 12, 2013 2:59 PM
Flanger Mix Setting
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Most stomp box flangers don't have a mix knob that controls the ratio between dry & wet signals. What is a good mix value for the flanger in the HD300? 50/50 or 100% wet?
Well if you are trying to model a real flanger/chorus/phaser then it is clearly 100%. In practice thoughI find though that mixing some of the raw signal in can sometime preserve the essential guitar tone and stop it from getting lost in the mix. Flangers and the like tend to 'soften' the tone a bit and that can be a problem sometimes. Where I can, I usually mix somewhere between 60-90% depending on what I am shooting for. With that said, sometimes what you want is b*lls-out flanger goodness and then is 100%!
There is no 'right' level. There is just trial and error.
I'm just wanting to know about the mix level of real flangers (e.g., Boss BF-3, Electric Mistress) so that I can create sounds similar to theirs. So the output of real flangers is 100% wet?
keep in mind that a flanger works by mixing the dry signal with a time-delayed signal to create a comb filter. The mix is by default 50/50 - if you have a mix parameter, it probably means 50/50 at 100%, not 100% wet/0% dry. If you had only the wet part, you wouldn't get the flange sound.
The length of the delay is usually applied to a LFO to get the swooshing sound, and there's usually a regen or feedback control which feeds the wet signal output into the wet input.
Can anyone tell me for sure what the actual mix is at 100% for any of the effects To me all of the mod effects sound like the mix is more than 50-50 at 100%, on the wet side and the delays obviously are. For example, that makes sense with a phaser but not the chorus or flanger. I hate that Line 6 tends to try "dumb" things down instead of telling us exactly what the parameters really mean and what they do. Much of the time their dumbing down makes things more confusing. The EQ's are a great example. There's a Youtube out there about them that was an eye opener for me. One that was specifically about the HD500's EQ's.
not constructive I know but the flangers are crap, given up on them
For me it's the chorus's. I'm looking for a gooey type of chorus that I could always get out of my Digitech gear. I was really excited to think I might finally be getting that in the HD (being an XT, X3 guy). No gooey and a bit over the top in my opinion.
The newest effect modelers often offer too much control. I mean, think about something like Phase 90 - one knob and you can get great sounds out of it. I hate the choruses of the HD. I infinitely prefer the choruses of my GT-100, which sound much more natural.
Flangers may sound like cr@p if overused. A subtle use of it results in spectacular tones. Many of the signature sounds of Summers & Lifeson were achieved with the Electric Mistress. Gilmour almost always used a flanger on "The Wall."
I'll just get an Eleclady flanger. It's an amazing little pedal. Check out what it can do.
one way to simulate a mix parameter on effect that don't have them is to put them in only one channel after the path split, then set pan in the mixer to center on both channels, and use the mixer levels to get the right amount of mix. you can move the amp block to behind the mixer if you want to put the effect in front your amp. I have to do this occasionally with a flanger to get the right tone.
+1. I use the script phaser like this in a patch that I use for reggae rhythm in a cover set. The phaser is slightly too dynamic so I mix in some clean signal to reduce the effect and make the tone more focussed.
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