Currently Being ModeratedJan 1, 2011 5:21 PM (in response to grahamra)Re: PODHD500 is very limiting for acoustic players- don't sell your XT/X3 yet!
I just turn off the amp model so that my Variax acoustic sounds are running "straight" with no amp model.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 1, 2011 10:29 PM (in response to grahamra)Re: PODHD500 is very limiting for acoustic players- don't sell your XT/X3 yet!
The HD500 sounded so versatile,and the electric amplifier sounds are truly great. HOWEVER, so far the unit is unusable for me because I cannot get to an acoustic setting that is presentable. Anybody figure a way around this problem yet? Help!
I see there are a bunch of HD500 acoustic tones on customtone.com, have you tried those?
Currently Being ModeratedJan 2, 2011 9:08 PM (in response to grahamra)Re: PODHD500 is very limiting for acoustic players- don't sell your XT/X3 yet!
Sounds like you and I have a similar musical background... I use my Electric Varaix 500 and Acoustic Variax 700 in our praise band at church. I have had my HD 500 for about a month and a half, and I am finally getting comfortable. I had some patches that I'd been using for years on my X3L and I just can't replicate them exactly on the HD 500. I have tweaked some presets I found on Custom Tone for my Ac 700 and our FOH guy said they sounded great. I have yet to drag my stuff out to the middle of the worship center to hear the pedal in the house, so I'm trusting his ears (and they're not too shabby). If I have time here in the next few days, I'll try and post them here for you to check out. The 12 string still sounds a little wonky to my ears, but then again it pretty much alway has (a bit glitchy). Don't lose faith... I remember when I went from the XTL to the X3L I had similar frustrations to what I'm going through with my HD 500. I'm just being patient and playing with it every chance I get so I can get comfortable with the sounds I'm getting out of it. My wife's getting fed up with me disappearing to the basement, but what's a guy to do? My GAS always gets me into these situations...
Currently Being ModeratedJan 5, 2011 9:52 AM (in response to claybert)Re: PODHD500 is very limiting for acoustic players- don't sell your XT/X3 yet!
Claybert, Thanks for your thoughtful comments. It occurred to me that I could use the XT in the effects chain and have the abilities of both boxes. Just hate to get away from the "one-box solution" that the XT Live handles so well. Maybe Line 6 will adress this issue in the next update.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 5, 2011 10:11 AM (in response to grahamra)Re: PODHD500 is very limiting for acoustic players- don't sell your XT/X3 yet!
HAHAHA - I know the feeling. Last night I was contemplating using a 4 cable method to run my X3 Live in the effects loop of the HD500. I laughed as I looked the other way and saw my XT Live sitting around as well. I could then attach it to the effects loop of the X3. And I wonder if I could use the 500 to midi control the X3 and/or XT. A 3 processor, 12 cable method...ridiculous.
I do intend to do a 4CM with the X3 in the HD500's effects loop, but only to easily A/B the sounds between the two. I intend to record some comparison clips once I'm confident I've dialed in the HD500. As far as using it as an actual setup, there's no way I would do that. You are just inviting disaster. If the output mode on one of the units got changed, or you accidentally put a cabinet simulation in the chain, or whatever, you'd be screwed. You'd have to frantically search TWO units to find the kink in the chain. Also, there's a greater possibility of something getting unplugged or having one bad cable, or having a loose connection...there's just so many things that could go wrong in a live setting. Plus, it might be frustrating to tweak two units at the same time. You would be editing the parametric EQ on the HD then start turning its bass/mid/treb knobs without hearing any difference in output and be like WTF, then realize you have to turn those knobs on the other unit.
Using the units in the same chain is indeed possible and would probably work well, but it's definitely a more fragile and frustrating setup. I'm not sure I'd feel confident relying on such in a live setting, but to each his own.
I agree that Line 6 should have put more thought into these issues. How f'ing difficult is it to put the same sims from older units in your new unit, especially when they aren't even sims at all but just an EQ!??!?!?!!? Why put an XLR input on the unit if you don't have at least one pre-amp that is tailored to instruments (vocals/acoustic) you'd connect to it?
Currently Being ModeratedJan 4, 2011 10:31 AM (in response to grahamra)Re: PODHD500 is very limiting for acoustic players- don't sell your XT/X3 yet!
As far as being able to use the bass/mid/treb knobs, your only option at this point is to experiment with the cleaner amp models and see if you can find one that barely colors your tone. Otherwise, you will have to turn the amp models off, which means you have to use an EQ effect to tweak bass/mid/treb, but you wouldn't be able to use the knobs. I understand your dilemma and that certainly is frustrating.
As far as the parametric EQ goes, the HD500 has a parametric EQ. You can set a frequency, the width of the range to boost/cut, and the amount of boost/cut. It also has bass/treble controls, but you cannot control their frequency or shape. If you need parametric EQ features for more than one frequency, you can use more than one parametric EQ effect in your chain. You could probably use 8 if you really wanted.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 5, 2011 9:48 AM (in response to meambobbo)Re: PODHD500 is very limiting for acoustic players- don't sell your XT/X3 yet!
Meambobbo, thanks for your comments. I will try stacking the Parametric eq's and maybe one of the cleaner amps won't degrade the sound too much, which will allow the use of tone knobs. Hopefully Line 6 will adress this issue in an update - I'm guessing there are fair number of users having the same issue.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 22, 2013 12:11 AM (in response to grahamra)Re: PODHD500 is very limiting for acoustic players- don't sell your XT/X3 yet!
How have things progressed with those of you who were using the Variax 700 with the older pedal boards (XT live or X3) and upgraded to the HD500? I'm really pleased with the tones I get thru the XT Live but would love to have the loop station features of the HD500. Am I facing a huge learning curve with the upgrade?
Playing in a Bourbon Street band 3-4 nights a week, 52 weeks a year. Most tunes have me on the Parlor, Parlor taken down 1 or 2 octaves as a bass guitar, J200 and a J45 with a wah effect. I ocassinoally use the banjo or the 12 string and the Gypsy.
Thanks for the updates,
Currently Being ModeratedMar 21, 2013 12:59 AM (in response to grahamra)Re: PODHD500 is very limiting for acoustic players- don't sell your XT/X3 yet!
Bought the HD500. Spent 40 hours in tuning the acoustic sounds. Played a gig, could not tweak anything on stage. Now I use my old PodXT again. (with floorboard and DL4 for looping).
60% of Pop/Rock-Songs having an acoustic guitar somewhere - Line6 does not care.
HD500 users need an acoustic amp model !
Currently Being ModeratedMar 21, 2013 8:13 AM (in response to stefan_xyz)Re: PODHD500 is very limiting for acoustic players- don't sell your XT/X3 yet!
I really don't understand why you want an amp model for playing an acoustic. You don't need one. Just like a real amp for acoustic will not sound as good (in most cases) as just sticking a great (or good) mic on it and maybe having some Eq, Compression, etc..
You should try the Vintage Pre in the EQ section then add some EQ to adjust where needed. Add reverb and anything else you need. You can get an amazing acoustic sound this way.The JTV models will not sound like a world class guitar with a mic in front costing thousands of dollars. It will sound like a very good, if not great acoustic guitar with a piezo pickup. Can be really impressive through front of house speakers. Will never sound great through a guitar amp.? ymmv