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MickKnipfler Just Startin' 15 posts since
Feb 23, 2007
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Feb 2, 2013 2:34 AM

Did my first gig last night

OK so last night I did my first gig using my Hd500 through a PA system.  I have my own PA  so just used half of it behind me where a guitar amp would have been.  Yke clean tones worked quite well but I can't say I was particularly impressed by the crunch or lead tones.  I just found them a bit unfocussed and 'fizzy' not really dynamic enough or cutting through.  If I turned the volume up, they were kind of too loud but you couldn't hear them if that makes sense.  Early days though so it it really  cse of tweaking them and trying different settings to find something I'm happy with?

  • JimKidd Just Startin' 56 posts since
    Apr 20, 2008
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    Feb 2, 2013 9:15 AM (in response to MickKnipfler)
    Re: Did my first gig last night

    You might read meambobbo's tone guide.

     

    http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/

  • PremiumJones Iknowathingortwo 238 posts since
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    Feb 2, 2013 10:41 AM (in response to MickKnipfler)
    Re: Did my first gig last night

    I moved to FRFR about 8 months ago. I have found that you really NEED to tweak to the tones you will use live, at live volume, AND with the full band playing.

     

    If you take some time t do this, you will be much happier with your live FRFR tones.

    • joel_brown Just Startin' 90 posts since
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      Feb 3, 2013 6:10 AM (in response to PremiumJones)
      Re: Did my first gig last night

      Too many guitarists even with traditional rigs, meaning Tube Amps and foot pedals, have the same problem you just described.  Tweaking in tone, no matter what you're using, takes time, effort, and some skills.

       

      Just like PremiumJones said "you really NEED to tweak to the tones you will use live, at live volume, AND with the full band playing". 

       

      What sounds great by itself usually doesn't work well with everyone else.  Couple things I usually notice when I hear about these situations is the use of too much reverb, too much delay, and too much of the muddy midrange frequencies - usually something in the 300 to 800hz range is out of whack.  Also bass guitar frequencies typically step on the guitar.  Meaning the bass player needs to work with you so he EQs his stuff correctly too.

       

      An average band that has great tone sounds great.  A great band with crappy tone always sounds like crap.

    • Bushman2 Just Startin' 26 posts since
      Oct 22, 2012
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      Feb 6, 2013 9:38 AM (in response to MickKnipfler)
      Re: Did my first gig last night

      "I have another question, am I better using XLRs into the mixer or jack leads? Or doesn't it matter? I assumed XLRs would be less noisy as they are balanced."

       

      If your PA is run in stereo, (most aren't) the two XLR's will give you stereo output.

      If your PA is mono, the XLR's will be summed to mono by the PA, which would be a waste of a mixer channel, since you can use the L-mono from your HD500 and get the same thing from it, and use only one mixer channel.

      XLR outputs from the HD500 never sum to mono.

      I use the L-mono out to a directbox to the PA. Works well.

    • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
      Jan 24, 2007
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      Feb 6, 2013 9:39 AM (in response to MickKnipfler)
      Re: Did my first gig last night

      crunch is not cutting right in the mix...For me, it usually means back off the drive a couple of hairs and/or perhaps bump up mids...

       

      ....If your runs are over 20 feet long, I would say go XLR and balance the runs...otherwise, I don't think it will matter all that much...

  • MelThorpe Just Startin' 28 posts since
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    Feb 6, 2013 11:51 AM (in response to MickKnipfler)
    Re: Did my first gig last night

    Fizzy usually means too much gain in my experience. Also maybe a little too much presence/treble. I find myself dialing back the gain quite often live. Even with a nice tube amp. I found ti doesnt take much to get rid of the fizz at live volumes with a full band. Just a couple of percent deoes wonders.

  • MelThorpe Just Startin' 28 posts since
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    Feb 22, 2013 10:37 AM (in response to MickKnipfler)
    Re: Did my first gig last night

    I would also make sure your output settings are set to combo stack front if you are going to use it like stomp boxes in front of your amp. When I use mine into the effects return I have the output settings set to combo power amp.

     

    --Mike

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