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We've been using the Aviom units for few months now and i think everyone loves them,,,,,,,,,,,, we had been using IE monitors already though. I don't use IE with the Aviom, I use a set of full sized headphones. I've had to go direct to the main (house) board for a few years now and never have liked it as much as using a REAL guitar amp and wedges for monitoring BUT the volume levels would get out of hand on the platform so I guess they had to do something.
I've been using a POD 2.0 for about three years at Church and just last week bought a POD XT Live ,, I have not learned all I need to know in order to use it in a service yet but hope to be able to soon.
Hang in there with the EN , you'll get used to them.
God bless,
Terry
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We use the Aviom and I fnd that the mix changes, it's great when things are low and only a few are playing in the mix but when the sound is cranked and the band, orchestra and choir start, the sound can become compressed and the the mix is different.
I've been playing with them for 4 years, went from headphones to in-ears to help isolate external sound and save my hearing. We have 3 servces seating around 1800-2200/service with a new/very nice digital stereo Yamaha sound board. Going direct, giutar to pod to board. We have 3 different pods, xt live, pod xt and pod x3.
My decision on the Aviom and the pods are still up to debate. I do like the sound of the pod x3 better than the others going direct.
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We utilize the AVIOM system in our church... 500 or so at each of two services on a Sunday... There are 5 worship bands with varied use of the system. One worship team does not use them at all as the elec guitar guy will not give up his amp...In our team, generally the leader and front of the house people (two singers and one acoustic guitar) are using wedges; drums, bass and two electric guitars utilizing the AVIOM... I play bass and go direct from the X3 Live to the PA... some dual tone modelling mixed evenly for direct XLR connection to the PA... one electric is POD XT Live to PA (1/4 out to direct box) and the other is a BOSS multi-effects unit 1/4 out to direct box to the PA...
The AVIOM experience has been a change... we implemented it in January (6 months ago)... some comments...
- tend to get an "isolated" feel from wearing in-ear buds
- I would say that buying expensive ear buds is important (I use Shure E3) but if the cash came available I would upgrade again to M-Audio IE-40 (good positive reviews for bass response for the price).. really this is a must... if you just use cheap "IPOD" buds then you will never get a good feel for the IE system...
- bass response is a bit of an issue and while "studio style over the ear cans" give you that thump, they look bulky playing live... I do use them at home when playing "quietly"
- ability to set separate monitor mix and save it to a preset for recall is excellent
- obviously the "vibration" feel from a large bass amp just does not happen but you can get around that...
On the whole, for me, the positives of the system outweigh the negatives... just a different feel... FYI... the church is expanding and buying more of the individual controllers so I will expect more of the front of the house people will start using them as well..
Regards,
Brent Warkentin
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Hey All:
Well, after using the AVIOMs at our church for about 6 mos, I played a concert last night at another local church that was all LIVE amps and wedge monitors. I was using my Peavey Valveking 112 for my monitor out from 1/4" of X3Live and ran XLR Direct for FOH. During sound check I thought, Oh my goodness -- what is going on?! We were having all kinds of feedback issues, not getting balanced mix thru wedge monitors, etc. BUT, things started to take shape at the end of the sound check. When we went on, the sound was awesome and most of it was that feeling you get from the air movement of the amps, the bottom end of the bass, etc. It was good to go back to the Live setup again.
But I must say, the AVIOM has the strong positive point that you can hear what YOU want to hear and cut the instruments that seem a little hot or unbalanced. You can control the AVIOM, but you have to trust the Sound Tech to handle your instrument in the FOH mix. However, in the LIVE amp scenario, you have to have a sound tech who cares what you hear in the monitors as much as what the house hears thru the PA. There's just something about that amp that is really sweet. In a worship setting, the stage volume can get out of control at times, so I see where the AVIOMs can be very helpful.
In our current situation, there's no turning back -- as probably 70% of the vocalists and musicians really prefer the AVIOM -- and the church spent a lot of $ to go this direction.
God bless and have fun!!
Geetar42
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My previous church has used Avioms for several years, and we all loved them. I recently moved away, and I'll miss that system. Being able to hear yourself and the rest of the band clearly simply cannot be overestimated. My new church uses floor wedges, and I'm really not looking forward to it.
Not everyone likes them, though. When Keaggy played at our place recently, we had to go rent floor wedges for him, as he would not play with Avioms.
Just a side note...If your backstage area is big enough, as ours was, there's no reason you can't use a live amp with Avioms. Most of our guitar players did, although the bassists went direct. I set up my Fender Cyber Deluxe backstage, pointed down a hall, and stuck an SM57 in front of it. I kept the volume reasonable, but loud enough to let the amp do its thing. It worked out very well.
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Before avioms, I built a portable sound enclosure for use backstage which was miced internally. I could let it rip and the sound tech could still control the volume.
If your church used wedges and you want to use in-ears, you can always use a headphone amp that allows you to mix a feed from the board with the feed from your instrument/mic. It doesn't affect what you're sending to the board, and you'll be able to hear yourself, even if you're not much in the house or monitor mix. If the monitor feed coming to your is powered, Rolls makes a transformer that allows a powered signal to go into a headphone amp. There are several varieties of headphone amps, starting around $45 (US) or so. Many of my musicians are satisfied with $20 skull candy in-ears, but the higher end ones can sound incredibly awesome.
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Our church is considering Aviom now as we have for the past two years, been using Macki digital fold back 32 x 8 channel aux mix into Shure and Weston in-ears. It has been successful but it is very time consuming for fold back engineer when he has to set up six vocals and six musicians all in an hour before service starts. For electric guitar, the one trick I do use is as per my article in "Combating negative views on electric guitar " apart from guitar tilt and head monitoring I actually leave my in-ear closest to my guitar amp half out and so I get the "live" feel of what I am doing consistently. I don't think I will change my habits much even when we go to Aviom.
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I'm not sure exactly where I read this, but it was suggested that the isolation that you feel when using in-ears can be combatted by adding 2 microphones out in the house to pick up the sound of the house. These mics are then fed to the in-ears and NOT the housemix for obvious reasons. These mics will pick up the rooms sound including some congregation singing and allow each person to adjust the amount of the house that they would like to hear in their monitors. I wish we used AVIOMs but we are in no position to spend that much money right now.
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I like that idea, it makes sense. Probably would not give you a definative sound between electric guitar and congregation exclusively but it would help in "live feel" balance in your head. Hmmm
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We do this, and it should work, but it has a lot to be desired. Maybe we should try different mics. We're also mixing the congregation/room sound into what we call the "junk" channel in our avioms, which contains the ensemble/choir feed, pastor mics, dvd/cd feeds, and other odds and ends, making it tough to balance evenly.
Some of our people pull out one in-ear, which the shure tech lectured me against for nearly 20 minutes when I admitted to doing it because of the potential hearing damage it could cause.
Any other ideas?
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xradaddy wrote:
I'm not sure exactly where I read this, but it was suggested that the isolation that you feel when using in-ears can be combatted by adding 2 microphones out in the house to pick up the sound of the house. These mics are then fed to the in-ears and NOT the housemix for obvious reasons. These mics will pick up the rooms sound including some congregation singing and allow each person to adjust the amount of the house that they would like to hear in their monitors. I wish we used AVIOMs but we are in no position to spend that much money right now.
We do this in my church in Malaysia, the Aviom A-16IIs have a channel labelled "Ambient".

It's just ok, though. I find it doesn't help a whole lot. I usually leave it out of my mix.
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Our church situation is a little unique. We are only a 4 year old church and are portable - we have to setup and tear down each week, but the christian school we meet in have been awesome and flexible with us. The eqipment takes a beating but we have been blessed to be able to afford certain items.
Our setup with Avioms/wedges:
Drummer - Aviom
Electric guitar - Aviom (I rotate with another elec gtr player/never on together)
Bass - Aviom
Male vocal/percussionist - Aviom
Acoustic guitar - floor wedge
Backing vocals (2-3) - floor wedge
Keyboards - Aviom
So you see, we have challenges too, especially with some of us having in-ears and some with wedges. Those Avioms aren't cheap. I use an X3 Live direct to board, so all I depend on is my Aviom - our sound crew does a pretty good job with the house mix, but it's not perfect, especially how the electric gets put in FOH - somtimes weak, but most folks don't know the difference. I'd rather use a live amp setup, but with all the setup and teardown, the X3 live is the way to go for us.
The Avioms have a learning curve and the sound is very basic - no "vibe" or true "warmth", but I've learned for now to live with it and use the Aviom to hear what I need to hear. I think improving the sound will depend on a couple of things - money, patience, and creativity.
Things that have helped me:
- Use the best in-ears you can afford
- Use the best cables you can afford (I've noticed huge differences in this area)
- Try using a combo setup - Avioms and a small personal monitor/amp close to you that feeds off your x3/xt to at least give you back your guitar sound
hope this helps
tonebuff
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You're right, the avioms are a major investment. But you can still get your foot in the in-ear door and it will only cost you $50.
Get a Rolls Personal Monitor. You feed it the same line that would go to the monitor amp or powered speaker, whichever you use. You also feed in the line from your guitar mic, which then splits (balanced) to the snake or however you feed to the sound board normally. Plug in your in-ears and you're in business. You control both the overall mix feed and your guitar monitor feed.
While you cannot control the various instrument levels within the monitor mix, you're no worse off than before with a wedge, plus you can boost your own signal as much as you need it.
I had my teams try this setup for a year before we were willing to risk the bucks on the aviom. It sold us. Now our youth band is using them, and their comment is that they can finally hear themselves. I get the added benefit of reduced feedback issues (because of reduced stage volume) with the volume levels they run. Plus the sound tech can actually mix levels rather than being at the mercy of the stage volume.
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Definitely! I went with the MAudio IE 30's - $100 / good investment!
Yeah the stage volume is whole other issue with a mix of Avioms and wedges!
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The church I went to before had them, but after trying to get used to them for a couple of months, I gave up.I now go to a church where I use my Mesa Boogie Lonestar 2x12 with a pod x3 live and the 4 cable method (which allows you to just use the effects off the pod and takes out the modeling) and a hotspot monitor and I LOVE that setup! I have the amp facing me and miced, so I do not have it pointed at the audience.
Here are a couple of points againt the avaiom system that I can see after using it. First....most musicians are NOT soundtechs! They do not know HOW to get a good monior mix of everything and be STILL able to hear their instrument over the others...all while using either a headset, in ear system or hotsopt, which our keyboard player (AND former soundguy) used. In other words, while they may be heaven sent for some instruments or some people such as bass or keyboard players, some like guitar players and some acoustic drummers even in a drum booth like the sound of their instrument miced going through the PA and use a hotspot or floor monitor for their sound.
I did use the avaiom system, but it became clear that I was simply NOT comfortable with it. So I just started using my amp because I never could hear myself in the stupid thing! It was not a week later and I looked over and the other guitar player quit using his because of the same reason....it simply did NOT sound like an amp at all! But the bass player and keyboard player and I think the drummer with a hotspot used them.
Of course, I do NOT use just a POD for my sound and have to depend on the soudtechs for a mix. That method may work well for someone in a church of 500 or so, IF and I say IF they can afford to hire an experienced sound tech ( I am talking about someone who knows what they are doing...as opposed to people who run sound and THINK they know what they are doing), but NOT when the sound tech is a layman and they know very little about sound. Not all churches are equal when it comes to having people at a soundboard that you can depend on for your mix!
The next point especially for guitarists and maybe acoustic drummers, is that you can actually hear the amp or drums and seem to play much better with just a regular monitor, though you CAN use a hotspot with an aviom, but again, you still have to be able to mix it to your taste...which can also change when the service gets louder and the mix changes! Then....you DON'T HAVE TIME in a live service to go back through your mix and find out what went wrong or what instruments are too loud and which are too soft! You are just STUCK with the sound you have until you can fix it. It was just too much for me to worry about. I have enough on my plate playing different guitars on different songs ....including acoustic and MIDI along with my regular electric.
I will say that I DO like the idea of using the rolls mixer as a way to get an overall or master sound of the monitor mix. Because then you just adjust the volume and nothing more. You have your mix of the other instruments and your instrument. Simple. I like it! But the avaiom just did not mix with someone like me who has been playing for 29 years and used an amp all that time!
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You have some excellent points!
> musicians are not soundtechs
We ran headlong into this! What I ended up doing was to take an entire practice with each team to do training.
We taught them:
• sometimes reducing an instrument in the mix will clear things up than raising the level of a different instrument
• to pan strategically by separating instruments with similar frequency and tonal ranges
• to save their settings
• that the purpose of monitors is to allow them to hear what they need to hear in order to play rather than to create a perfect CD-quality sound in their head
Then the techs listened in on each person's mix and provided suggestions until each person was comfortable with the general mix which each musician could work from as needed. (We should probably do this again as it's been a couple years and our musician base has changed somewhat - we do train each muso as they come on a team.)
> it takes a break-in period
For some this was longer than others. This is true for several reasons. Some musos focus on the interaction of other musos - these folks need to have the avioms set up so they can hear everyone distinctly, including the voices of non-singers so they can communicate. Other musos focus on the reaction of the audience - these folks need to hear the house or they'll feel disconnected.
Some musicians just don't want the distraction. That makes sense to me - I already have too much to be thinking about (I'm simultaneousely playing an electirc guitar rig, an acoustic one, a synth module - all through one guitar and pedals, singing lead, directing the team, giving vocal cues to the projectionists, interacting with and leading the congregation, and staying connected with God and asking where He wants us to go in the midst of all this). But I find it easier to tweak my own aviom between songs than to try giving directions to a sound tech who is doing a monitor mix.
To help with our break-in period, we required the musos to use the avioms (after training them). This was more because of the sound issues we faced which the avioms addressed rather than anything else. But because not using the avioms was not an option, even the people frustrated by them had to learn to adjust. Two nearly quit over the matter out of frustration (a drummer and a vocalist). But we really didn't have much of a choice, and now those same people are some of the strongest supporters of the aviom system.
> hire an experienced sound tech
We're not in a position to do that, either. And with as busy as the guys are working on the house mix, getting a good monitor mix just didn't happen, even when I had my own custom monitor mix. Now I can hear what I want to hear, and at levels I like.
Avioms carry their own set of issues. So does using amps or stage monitors. I look at it in this way: do whatever works best for the audio compromises your church faces (including budget, musos, techs, acoustics...). For years I used a stage amp (I'm an old head banging rocker from the 70's/80's). Then I switched to an off-stage amp with a sound cabinet in an enclosure. Now I'm playing through a tweaked X-3 live running direct. (That's my electric channel - different story on the acoustic one). Tools change, needs change, solutions change - even for old dogs like us.
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Excellent points! I love the approach. The biggest struggle we face is more of a time issue - people's busy lives, schedules, making time for training - and of course we all have very strong personalities, etc. Our worship leader is part time with family and our church is a very healthy 4 year old church that is mobile, so we work with what we can and do. But we are in a better place than most churches our size (200) and age.
Frank
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Hey everyone --
Thought I'd give an update since I first posted this last year...time flies! We just had a meeting with pastoral staff and sound techs last week during our rehearsal to give some honest feedback on the AVIOMS. We spent an hour+ of this past week's practice resetting our levels to get a baseline. I believe it helped considerably and the open discussion was a first step in the right direction. We all desire the same thing -- the best possible tone and mix so people can worship -- and in turn glorify God. And, we all want to be able to feel that we have contributed and played to the extent we are gifted and enjoy the experience. I've really come to appreciate the AVIOMS. You still don't have much of a clue to how it sounds in the house (and I occasionally try the one ear on and one off IEM approach to try to get a sense of the balance and level in the house) but in the end, you have to trust the sound techs and the response you get from week to week from folks in the audience.
I just ordered a pair of Sennheiser headphones (behind the neck/over the ear type) and used them for the first time Sunday. I was pleased with them, both the fit and the response. They did not clip or buzz like some tend to do and they aren't bulky or burdensome. They are meant more for mp3 and personal listening, as opposed to pro studio IEM, but I really liked them.
Thanks for your time and interest and keep posting your experiences!Peace --
Geetar42
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Well as I said earlier..IF and ONLY IF.....you have decent sound techs, then you may benifit from this system. BUT.... if you don't, you are better off with monitors in my opinion.
Not every church has sound techs that really know what they are doing. And they would have to in this case, because everything depends on it.
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I love the Aviom system BECAUSE of inexperienced sound techs. I am tired of doing soundchecks and then having a completely different mix in the monitors during the service.
I don't have to rely on them in order to be able to hear my guitar, they don't control of the send.
I use corded, in ear headphones. For mix, I have the Worship Leader's vocals, Piano, drums (Hihat and snare for timing) and my guitar. It isn't the whole, perfect mix, but that's not what it's for. It's just enough to know where we are at.
Our other instrumentalists either use them w/ a hotspot or headphones (drummer).
I don't worry about how the FOH mix sounds, I just leave it in the sound tech's (and God's) hands.
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I have used the Aviom system in a larger church, and it was great. We used it with wedge monitors, and it worked just fine. Everyone else in the church liked it as well. We didn't try it with ear buds however, only wedges.
I also gigged in a secular band for several years using a version of the "cheap Aviom" Rolls monitor system described earlier. I took two of the Rolls personal monitors, and ran the output to one into one input of the other. I could then run the main monitor mix and my vocal mic into the first Rolls, then add my guitar amp mic into the second one. This allowed free mixing of the three sources, and it worked extremely well with ear buds. I eventually went away from this as we freed up an aux send on the monitor board and I went with a Shure wireless monitor system.
One problem you have with some musicians is that they can be extremely picky on a monitor mix. Our old keyboard player in the secular band would take 1/2 hour every practice to tweak his ears "just right". However the singers in our praise team are very low maintenance when it comes to monitors. (I switch between running sound and playing guitar in the praise band, soon to be full time guitarist after the sound system is stabilized).
Here's something I have been interested in of late, the QSC K10 powered speaker/monitor. This speaker can be used as a monitor, and has a 2 channel input mixer on the back with through jacks; like if the Rolls headphone monitor was integrated into the speaker. I'm thinking about buying a few of the K-series as it can solve a lot of problems (such as our drummer going to V-drums; he could mix the main vocal monitor send with as much V-drums as he likes).
http://www.qscaudio.com/products/speakers/k_series/K_series_K10.php
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Ok, I realize this thread has been going on for some time, but I'm new here, so I'll throw in my two cents...
We use the Aviom system. We're a good sized church, but not huge (weekly attendance about 1,000). We started using Aviom for two reasons - stage volume and house sound issues. Anytime you use slants you are adding to what my be perceived by many congregants as "too loud" (which, of course, many guitarists might say there's no such thing). In order to get useful spl levels out of slants, you're adding to the overall house volume - regardless of the room acoustical makeup. Regarding the second point, slants - of course - are facing backwards (towards the musicians and away from the congregation). This results in reflections off of the back (and potentially side) walls in almost any room, unless the room was specifically engineered to prevent it. Anytime you have these reflections added to the sound being projected directly forward from front facing/house cabinets the time delay between the sound coming from the 'mains' and the reflection (from the slants) will pretty much always muddy up the sound the congregation is hearing.
Unless your auditorium/sanctuary was built in the past 5-10 years and specifically engineered for sound (doubtful) the acoustics in these rooms are often not conducive for what we do. If sound was considered at all, it was probably geared towards speech, not music at 80-90db (or higher - we typically run about 92db peak). If you have otherwise in your place and it was not designed such, it was probably dumb luck!
Aside from those two issues, being able to individually tweak your mix is a huge advantage. In my opinion, in almost any church setting there is pretty much no up-side to using slants, given another option (i.e., Aviom - IEM). However, this stuff does cost money and we all know what that means. What it boils down to is how much of a price do you want to place on house sound quality?
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Currently Being ModeratedFeb 25, 2010 5:25 PM (in response to geetar42)Re: AVIOM or in-ears or wedges or sound booths or lets go acoustic ...yeaaaaa
Ok so here is the real clanger! After all the discussions we have, in doing our best and having our product teams do their best and the Church doing their best to provide funds for better equipment and audio results that hopefully everyone is happy about, we come to a point that it is all about praise to God, and He is listening and sometimes things just get away from your control to His control and that service you thought was terrible, a new person in the congregation walks up and says its the best worship he/she had every heard and it inspired them to accept Jesus. What do you say to that? The service you thought sounded brilliant and you ask a friend who was sitting in the back row and they heard none of your guitar ugh!!
Yes, pursue your playing and ideal sound at 100% for God, do the best you can, play the best you can, God asks for nothing more and then when you really understand that and you understand the inner feelings of your heart..... then see that smile on your face just being able to be on stage and honor God regardless of what is being played, how well it is being played, what your age is, who is grumbling backstage, and yes what equipment is at your disposal. The honor is in the being there ... now.
It was just a thought given to me from someone special.
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So I have been reading this long conversation, and part of me is so jealous that you have IEMs! I lead a worship team of 6 musicians and 6 singers, well most weeks, some weeks it is as low as three. We have 2 monitors and 2 hotspots only. I don't get to use an amp because I have been told I am too loud and have been requested to lower the sound. I don't even get a monitor, if I want to hear the mix I have to walk to one side of the stage or the other to listen to one of the two stage monitors.
I see the ams some of you guys use and again jealous!
All that to say, let us be glad with what we have! As cheesy as this sounds, it only matters if God is glorified. I feel terrible on the weeks I spend 12 hours or more working on a song, writing music, but less than 4 hours praying for the service and my team. So pursue perfection my friends! Let the music you make strive for perfection, as it is an offering. Yet keep that balance to worship privately so that our public worship is true
Cheers
Mike
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Apart from the "vibe" issues, that have been well documented in this thread, there is still one more important thing to consider. Communication, especially during practice sessions, where arrangements, and changes are dealt with. Being the drummer, and having to play behind the giant "sneeze guard", and having IEM's lodged deep in my ear canal means I can't hear a word our band leader says unless he is talking into his mic. This can be a little frustrating, as you can imagine. I find I love the Avioms for the "live" application, but wish we could just rehearse with amps, and wedges to iron out any tweaks in the songs, or set, then spend a little time with the Avioms, to get our personal mixes right.
My favorite thing about the Aviom is that everyone can hear the click-track, so intros, and pauses are near perfect, and none of THAT is heard FOH. I've always had a difficult time playing to a click "live" because of issues with volume on stage. Having the click in the monitor mix works beautifully, and I can adjust the levels from my output device, and my personal mixer...no problem hearing it now. YAY.
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We have used AVIOM for a couple years now. It's a love / hate thing. And it does take lots of getting used to.
If you use it as intended you will turn up the things you want to hear like your own vocals or guitar and turn down much of the rest of the band. However you have to keep reminding yourself that this is NOT what the audience is hearing. Many times I will go to play a subtle fill and it's very loud in my ears (because I turned me up in the AVIOM). I have to trust that it is mixed properly in the house. I do have to put more trust in the soundman because there is no amp on stage. Before, if he turned me down, people could still hear my amp. Now that is not the case. But now if he turns me down, HE can't hear me, so it also makes sure I am in the mix. Before he would hear my stage volume and turn me down in the house. As a result the recorded audio or video had very little guitar in it. Same for the bass. If the bassist's amp was enough to fill the house he would turn it down in the PA. No signal to the recording.
Aviom and earbuds. You won't get as much low end and you won't feel the sound moving past your legs, but the pros out weigh the cons.
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I think the amount of low end you get depends on the earbud you are using. A custom (see: isolated) multi-driver unit will give you some pretty significant oomph if you haven't yanked it all out on your EQ.
Our church is currently treating the sanctuary (thankfully), but we still have to deal with wedges. I am going to be pushing for in-ear systems.
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We are using professional Shure in ears. There is no substitute for that low thump on your chest. Luckily we can still "feel" some to the lowend from the house. But it's not the same as a tube amp flapping your jeans.
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Well, I am guilty of listening with my ears. Many of our congregation are hard of hearing, so jean-flapping is pretty strictly prohibited

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Well we crank it. Our PA is pretty loud. However before, the stage volume was so loud that the PA was having a hard time competing with stage volume.
P.S. We also have some Roland TD-12 electronic drums.
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Yeah, we are planning for a Friday Night service that will be a bit...livelier. We gotta get our room treated first though, because it is a mess. 48'x48'x18'. Bleh.
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I was amazed at how much our acoustic treatment helped our sound.
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The money is there for us to do it, we are just waiting on our guy to come in and model the room. Sometime next week, I hope. I am getting tired of not being able to produce a half decent set of songs because of the environment.
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If you are getting ready to invest in an Aviom system, you should take a look at the new system from http://www.mymixaudio.com/
This is the way to go! More functionality and flexibilty than Aviom and less expensive. Check it out for yourself.
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Blech... I hate in ear setups. Feels like everybody is in their own little sound isolated box. I was at a church that switched from wedges and amps on stage to avioms, I immediately disliked it. Whatever benefits of fine grained control was downplayed by the sterile feel... never got used to it. The church I'm at now is much smaller therefore the stage setup is much more primitive, but it feels totally organic. Hope I never have to go back to the in ear garbage.
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But using an aviom system doesn't necessarily mean using in-ears. You can feed it to a powered wedge.
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baudrate wrote:
But using an aviom system doesn't necessarily mean using in-ears. You can feed it to a powered wedge.
correct. we have both. our musicians have in ears and the singers use a wedge that is controlled by an Aviom.
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One word of warning when going to an Aviom type system where the musicians control the monitors. The soundman loses control of the monitors. So if you have guest performers you either have to give them a crash course in Aviom or figure out something else.
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ya, and the issue w/ powered wedges is that if they get left on, they can be a source of unwanted sound on the stage that the sound guy can't turn it off.
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I am personally of the opinion that stage volumes should be low enough to hear the congregation. "Think acoustic", even if you are not. And use e-drums if the drummer is too loud on an acoustic set -- and if an acoustic-set drummer is in the middle of the group, set them off to the side.
If your facility is big enough that the stage volume is that loud, then let the FOH system worry about "carrying" the sound. Mic the amps and keep the stage volume down (even if you are not using something like the L1 Systems on stage).
It's all about worship, not a performance ... and EVERYONE should be in worship together.
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I've been using Avioms for the last 3 years at our church. We used to have individual controls where we could create our own mixes and recently got a second board setup and have a sound person to our in ear mixes. It takes some getting used to. We do have 2 ambient mics that help give it a more live feel. One thing I don't like is I have no idea what I sound like FOH. I record all our rehearsals and services to refine my playing and tones and sometimes it's night and day from what I have in my ears and what the congregation actually hears. Sometimes I'm so buried in the mix, I might as well not have showed up.
What I have learned to do is I use a good set of over the ear headphones at home to initially set up my tones plugged directly into my HD500. I for the next step I plug into a FRFR EV powered 12" wedge I have at home to further tweak the tones at volume. Finally, I'll record the rehearsal and make any other tweaks I need but they are usually minimal. This has made a great improvement in the satisfaction of my tones since using this method. I've also gone and plugged my HD into the board at the back of the house to create some basic tones and EQ settings so what I build I know will be in the same ballpark week after week. Now how I'm put into the mix well I just have to trust whoever is running sound the weeks I'm playing like guitars!
Last bit of advice is to buy the best in ear headphones you can afford. I went from iPod headphones, to Shure SCL 3's, these were better than the iPod headphones but still had very little bass. Finally I invested in some Shure SCL 5's and it's been night and day difference. If I wind up upgrading these I'll probably get some custom molded headsets but definitely dual or triple drivers. Try to get a minimal dual drivers to get more bass in your head.
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