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RichardSMF Just Startin' 10 posts since
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Aug 16, 2009 3:11 PM

JM4 Looper used with XTL

I have just got a JM4 looper and already have an XTL. I want to use the XTL to control my tone and the JM4 just to record and play along with the pre-recorded jams. However the JM4 takes over the tone as well. What am I doing wrong! I have my guitar plugged into the XTL and the output of the XTL goes into the guitar input on the JM4 and the left line out is connected to my amp.

 

I am probably being a muppet but am new to this, thanks in advance for your help.

 

Cheers Richard

  • ricksox UberGuru 11,600 posts since
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    Aug 18, 2009 12:02 PM (in response to RichardSMF)
    Re: JM4 Looper used with XTL

    Hello,

     

    There is no true bypass on the JM4 so your tone will be colored a little when it passes through that device however, you should be able to just turn off your amp modeling and all effects on the JM4 and just use it to loop and record.

     

     

    Line6Miller

      • 0dannyboy Just Startin' 76 posts since
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        Aug 19, 2009 9:56 AM (in response to RichardSMF)
        Re: JM4 Looper used with XTL

        I Just got a JM4 as well. I use a POD XT (mikes SRV) clean patch with chorus, delay and rev. I like these amps and FX better than the 2.0 spider fx that are on the unit by a long shot. I use a route 66 pedal for overdrive and compresson. That way I get anolog creamy overdrive and a great compressor as well because I am not to fond of L6 digital distortion or the compressor just my taste no offense intended. heres what I do.

         

         

        Go to the "settings"  hit the button 3 times, scroll down to the auto select settings for the amp, tone and fx section and turn all 3 of them off.

        that way when you switch songs it wont keep selecting the amp section and turning on a preset tone after you switched it off.

         

         

        I also set the mode from normal to preformance. That way the  "amp out" sends only a dry guitar signal to your pod and the L/R line outs send just the jam track or drums to the PA. or whatever your plugging them into. I find I can contol volume better from my PA than having to internaly adjust the levels.

         

        works like a charm. Be sure to turn the level all the way up on the back after you set it in preformance mode to get a strong dry signal to the podxt.

         

        I dont feel it colors my tone much if any, considering of course I am already running my signal through  a pod a route 66 and a Digitech vocalist live 2 LOL!   I run all this into a Bose L1 system and get a great tone in my opinion. I play acoustic pop, blues, classic rock ...etc in a trio in bars about 2 or 3 times a month. so your not talking to a  signed Pro here. Also I am not a huge tone snob who "must run pure tones with true bypass" and all that hype just a guy who plays out and wants to sound the best he can when playing.

         

        it works Great that way  for me.

          • 0dannyboy Just Startin' 76 posts since
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            Aug 19, 2009 12:52 PM (in response to RichardSMF)
            Re: JM4 Looper used with XTL

            The diffrence I think in our 2  setups may be the resason I am satified and you are not.

            While I use prefomance mode wich seprates the guitar signal from the backing and drum tracks. and sends gtr only in the "amp out jack" this way.

            I send the signal to a BOSE L1 pa system not an amp.

             

            The drum and backing signals are sent out throught the left and right line outs to a seprate channel in my PA.

             

            thats alot dioffrent than the amp setup you have and it seems that you hear alot more coloring of your guitars signal in the AMP than i do in my Bose line array system.

             

            Sorry for the confusion as I agree our 2 setups are way diffrent

             

             

            Heres and Idea.  plug into the guitar jack of the JM4 first

            set the jm4 to preformance mode and turn off all the auto select features.

            run the amp out to your XTLIVE

            run out from the xtl to your amp see if theres less coloring that way.

             

             

            just a thought.

  • Line6Andy Line 6 4,345 posts since
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    Aug 19, 2009 10:49 AM (in response to RichardSMF)
    Re: JM4 Looper used with XTL

    Hello,

      This information is helpful.  Please be sure to award Helpful and/or Correct points to community members who respond with helpful or correct answers!

     

     

  • Line6Hugo Line 6 6,580 posts since
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    Aug 19, 2009 1:09 PM (in response to RichardSMF)
    Re: JM4 Looper used with XTL

    Richard,

     

    Have you made sure to set the amp model knob to off, then save a patch with no amp model or effects to use in conjunction with your PODxt Live?

     

    If you feel there is too much of a difference in sound in that configuration, this is just the nature of the combination because the JM4 is not true bypass.

     

    Regards,

     

    Line6Hugo

      • 0dannyboy Just Startin' 76 posts since
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        Aug 24, 2009 10:15 AM (in response to RichardSMF)
        Re: JM4 Looper used with XTL

        Your discussion about the JM4 coloring your tone got me thinking ....I unplugged my JM4 from my signal chain and dramatically heard the diffrence.

        In my signal chain it dampens my tone and also cuts the signal volume. I unplugged it and everything was crisper and way louder. Just too much gain stageing for me between the JM4, the PODXT and my ROUTE 66 pedal. I like to keep the live setup as simple as I can.

        I now run the JM4 as a stand alone practise/recording rig. Thats what its desighned for I think (and by the way what I originaly bought the pedal for.)

        Its a great spare PA/rig setup that way. I also love it for creating new loops for upcoming original material. That being said it will not be a component in my "live" rig unless for some reason thats all I am using.

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