Oct 5, 2009 6:08 AM
A Thread just for the New IH (AKA- Smart Harmony Pitch glide?)
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Anyone play with it?
Opinions?
I've played with them on my M13, and just so people are clear - the Smart Harmony and Pitch Glide are two separate effects.
Both of them seem to track fine to me. The Pitch Glide does a much, much better job of imitating a Whammy then the Bender effect ever did. As far as the Smart Harmony, the only real point of reference I have to compare it to is the IH on the TC Electronic Nova System. To me they sound comparable, although, honestly I can't see myself ever really using that effect in a live situation.
I'm actually way more stoked about the other new effects on the M13. The Particular Verb, Pattern Tremolo, and the Barber Phaser especially. Those are just some cool effects, and they were totally unexpected.
I am hopign this *is* on topic as this is a generic IH thread...
I know Line6 will not ever divulge if the Smart harmony/pitch glide will be available for Pod X3 (or even XT), whether it be a freebie, or a pay to upgrade deal,
however, I'm sure someone from Line6 could tell us if the X3 series has the horsepower (processor + memory) to handle this add-on in any aspect? And if it did, woudl the quality be the same as in the stompbox models?
Again, I'm not asking for promises ehre, just knwoiign if it is possible or not in the current hardware.
Thanx in advance
Rebel420 wrote:
I know Line6 will not ever divulge if the Smart harmony/pitch glide will be available for Pod X3
It will not be.
Karl_Houseknecht wrote:
Rebel420 wrote:
I know Line6 will not ever divulge if the Smart harmony/pitch glide will be available for Pod X3
It will not be.
:hangs head in defeat and weeps like a little girl:
Some "off the record" inside source?
Karl_Houseknecht wrote:
Rebel420 wrote:
I know Line6 will not ever divulge if the Smart harmony/pitch glide will be available for Pod X3
It will not be.
If this is true, then I'm really going to be turned off from Line 6. As long as we've been screaming for an IH (3 1/2 - 4 years for me), and they're only gonna make it available for something I have to spend at the very least ANOTHER $400 on, plus what I've already spent with them, to get? Hell no.
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Yeah, I think maybe even a NEW model pack may be in order? ![]()
cgtrox ![]()
I'd go for a model pack. I think most people on here have said they would as well. Not doing that would be stupid on L6's part.
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model pack is my guess...everybody wins ![]()
As long as X3 can handle it..and I don't see why it wouldn't
...not very likely for the XT though
I've always said they need to give soem routing options, and let the X3 handle the dual amp thing more like the vetta -- you have yoru stomps that can go in front of either amp, or both, then into the 2 amps, THEN the MOD/DELAY/REVERB are a single chain, so both amps share a delay reverb etc. It makes the mix control work more like you would expect on dual amp models... but my digression = if you routed differently, and eliminated 1 mod, 1 delay and 1 reverb, and let the remaining mod be sued as a harmony, you can't tell me there is not enough horsepower to handle it...
would I pay extra for the new effx? Absolutely, would I pay anopther 4-500 for the harmony alone? no, not worth it to me, but another $100 for harmonizer and other goodies, absolutely... and lets face it, I"m sure there are a lot out there thinking the same thing... so Line6 is missing out on hundreds of guys willing to pay $100 for the effex etc, so they are missing out on 10s of thousands of $$ all to force people into paying $500 for the M13, and sell a couple? but I could be wrong...
Either way I hope they find a way to give us the IH... although the M13 is cool, I like the footprint of the X3 better, and using the 4 cable method, and bypassing the amp models, the x3 woudl be able to do pretty much anything i'd use the M13 for anyways,with some compromises I'd be willing to live with...
Yeah, I'll bet most X3 users would be into it...hope it happens!!
Nothing is a sure thing..but this seems very logical for Line 6 to do..they make some bucks letting happy people download stuff, that's a good gig!
You know, the model pack approach is so logical, I had pretty much assumed it would happen. Almost counted on it. Then when I saw Karl saying no, and knowing how he usually has a good line on things, it took me by suprise. I was actually pretty ticked off at the thought that L6 would NOT allow us X3 users the chance to get the IH. They can't be that stupid.
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I hear ya, that is confusing to hear him say about that....hopefully he was just drinking heavily or something ![]()
Or maybe he knows something we don't...?
It sure has been quiet..maybe next week we'll hear
Think about the processor power. The same processor in the X3 allows for how many simultaneous effects, including amp/cab/mic models in two independent chains at the same time? Processor pretty well maxxed out. But in the SV and M13 it's only ~4 effects at once and a single chain. So there'd be power to spare, right? It's telling that Line6 implemented the IH in these units.
We were also told that when the X3 came out, that there was room to spare ... i just didnt know hnow much the IH needed ... also with outher units of years past, you could umm elminate effects in order to gain others... so hey, If to use IH you had to mix the dual amp tones right after the amp and only have 1 mod/delay reverb instead of 2, just to get the IH, i'd buy that...
Rebel420 wrote:
We were also told that when the X3 came out, that there was room to spare ...
The room referred to the flash ROM necessary to store additional models. Not the processing power.
Hey, I don't pretend to understand the why. Even the GT-10, with a similar processor, can have lots of effects, 2 amp models, and an IH active at the same time. Although, not the same number of simultaneous effects and chains as the X3. But still, it has an IH. The only thing I can guess is that the X3 algorithms are more processor intensive.
I dont know, man. We were flat out told no about an IH at one point after the X3 had already come out, if I remember correctly. To me, that says they didnt have one ready when the X3 was released. Might not have even started on it at that time, who knows. Of course, that could also mean it cant handle it, either.....bah.
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I'm betting it can't handle it, now that I think about it..there is a lot of effects (times 2) plus 2 modelled tones and 2 modelled cabs at once.
That's a lot on an X3 plate already.
Interesting thread, too bad I'm late to the party. The IH and Pitchglide work great on the M13.
As far as the X3, I was going to bring up the proccessing power point that Karl brought up. Line6Renken confirmed that point in my Thread Calling him out. I've also thought alot about it. I so blown away by that quality of the effects in the M13 cared to the POD. If you look up my threads, you'll see me consisently saying that the effects in the POD are lacking. I used a XTL for a while and then got the X3L about a month after it came out. I've been lucky with my X3L, I haven't have any problems with it. I used the X3L for a long time. Then I got the SV HD100, even though the modeling is 2.0 they sound great. Lastly, I just got a M13. I do have a Variax 500. So I have alot of L6 gear to compare tones and sounds, and they don't match up like you'd think they would. The amp models in the POD are great, while I think the effects are not so great, the amp models are much more important. The POD has one DSP to proccess everything, and I'd rather spend the majority on the amp modeling, I mean that is your tone folks. Even with 2.0 modeling the SV sounds great because really not much there to proccess, especially since the back end is tube, so the benefit of the DSP power working solely for for the amp modeling and a few effects is evident. The M13 rocks, again the DSP is only doing effects. I been saying this lately. L6's next POD should have two proccessors in it, one for the amp models and the other for effects. That'll be an awesome unit. Yes it would cost more, but it'd be worth it.
As far as the X3 goes, it does alot and it an awesome tool. Even with all the problems it's had, and it's jammed packed with alot featuers and options already. If they do nothing more for it, it changes nothing. And how is it fair to compare the stuff they put out for the XT, when all they were doing was porting models from another product? The X3 already has everthing! I don't see the IH happening on the X3, not enough DSP. Look at how crappy the Bender and some of the other effects track, it can't handle them properly. It's better to not have it on there then have track so bad that you can't use it. Anyway, you didn't ask but those are my thoughts. Know I have to go bottle 5 gallons of Belgium Witbier homebrew, later
A model pack will be nice, either for XT or X3, I could pay for it if necessary, the Smart Harmony on Spider IV, is great, however it would be nice to have it in the POD as well. I have to use my Spider IV 120 in "test mode"(holding TAP while powering on the amp) in order to use my own POD configuration(that's not a big deal), but since the Spider IV is in "test mode"(no functions enabled) I cannot mix an effect(Pod) with another effect(Spider IV), therefore the Smart Harmony does not have any functionality in my banks.I also have the MkI. I'm not mentioning what I have to brag(since is not too much), but what I want to highlight is that I have spent a lot of money already on Line6 products(which are great) so i'd feel like a "thank you, we appreciate your choice", to create model pack(that I will purchase again, that's ok). I will greatly appreciate it.![]()
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not enough processing power was the official word on it
Rebel420 wrote:
I am hopign this *is* on topic as this is a generic IH thread...
I know Line6 will not ever divulge if the Smart harmony/pitch glide will be available for Pod X3 (or even XT), whether it be a freebie, or a pay to upgrade deal,
however, I'm sure someone from Line6 could tell us if the X3 series has the horsepower (processor + memory) to handle this add-on in any aspect? And if it did, woudl the quality be the same as in the stompbox models?
Again, I'm not asking for promises ehre, just knwoiign if it is possible or not in the current hardware.
Thanx in advance
I cannot talk about any of that. Hang tough.
But I will say this. If I were a POD XT/X3 I would get an M9 and run it 4 cable method with the POD. Then you have all the horsepower of great sounding amp models with all the horsepower of the M9 doing the best of our effects all in a very small space. I believe, don't quote me on it, you could send midi out of the POD into the M9 in scene mode (up to 24 scenes) and control all with a button press.
Line6Renken wrote:
Rebel420 wrote:
I am hopign this *is* on topic as this is a generic IH thread...
I know Line6 will not ever divulge if the Smart harmony/pitch glide will be available for Pod X3 (or even XT), whether it be a freebie, or a pay to upgrade deal,
however, I'm sure someone from Line6 could tell us if the X3 series has the horsepower (processor + memory) to handle this add-on in any aspect? And if it did, woudl the quality be the same as in the stompbox models?
Again, I'm not asking for promises ehre, just knwoiign if it is possible or not in the current hardware.
Thanx in advance
I cannot talk about any of that. Hang tough.
But I will say this. If I were a POD XT/X3 I would get an M9 and run it 4 cable method with the POD. Then you have all the horsepower of great sounding amp models with all the horsepower of the M9 doing the best of our effects all in a very small space. I believe, don't quote me on it, you could send midi out of the POD into the M9 in scene mode (up to 24 scenes) and control all with a button press.
Hi Rich,
When it comes to MIDI, with Line 6 devices it's all or nothing. You can't just have program changes sent. Any control touched on the POD will be sent out as a MIDI CC#. So if you activate the wah on your POD you'll probably activate the wah on the M9. The pedal when the way is not activated will send CC# 7 values into the M9.
Also the 4 cable method doesn't help Variax owners much, an M9 would have to go into the loop and then you only have the effects on Tone 1 or Tone 2 not both.
Cheers,
Crusty
Unless one of the devices has a Midi Learn function?
But I do think you need a couple of extra devices to make this work, A Midi patch box device from Midi Solutions. (I haven't researched this one bit) and a Line switcher like the LS-2.
I don't know about you guys, but "Hang tough" is very encouraging for X3 users, if I may so jump to potential conclusions!
It's not like they couldn't just say "go buy an M9/13 if you want that stuff " and be done with it. Good sign IMO. We'll see.
It doesn't hurt to recommend buying an M9/13 if you want it all 'now'.
and Crusty's point is a very good one...it's gonna be a half useful item for the X3 unless it's in the X3's firmware itself because of the dual tones only being able to apply the fx loop to one tone at a time
I smell a model pack or two for the X3 series...I'll be blown away if Line 6 gives this stuff away again with fanboy loudmouths like me jumping up and down about how great the stuff is...I guess it depends on if the X3 hardware can handle it...if so, I don't see why they wouldn't make model packs and get a few bucks for it..(unless they still remember the massive trauma the X3Live caused at first
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my 2 cent guess!
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Never though of that! Model Packs! And if !!! I wonder if they will include the XT series too? ![]()
I'm not sure if the XT has the processing power and capacity, or the development support anymore...?
Man, I hope this can be loaded into my X3L someday!! ![]()
both are killer IMO
The pitch glide surpasses the Digitech Whammy I just traded in by a mile. Tracks and bends more than one note at a time just fine.
I'm also using the IH set for key of E major with a 3rd down in the heel down position, and a 5th up in the toe down position for the solo in Linda Ronstant's "When Will I Be Loved" .
The band collectively dropped their jaws to the floor when I pulled it off...I'm in love with the M13 ![]()
:weeps like a little girl some more:
.....must fight the urge.....can't breathe,....*gasp!*...........*cough, cough*.........neeeed.....moooorrre......pow-er.....Aaawwk!
DUDE!! YOU'RE KILLING ME!! NEED THE M9!! NEED THE HARMONIZER!!!! ![]()
cgtrox ![]()
I'm sorry my good dudes! That was not my intent.. ![]()
If it makes you feel better, I found out that the IH won't do 3 part harmonies like the digitech HM.
Honestly guys, they planned it this way...just come to the dark side of the M13...you know resistance is futile anyways..it's the Line 6 circle of life ![]()
This is gonna happen to me, too when they come out with the new Variax
LOL! Nah, I'm cool with one voice harmonies. That's all I ever asked for, and they delivered! So, the tracking is good?
cgtrox ![]()
flawless, I swear!
I'm losing sleep bad!!! ![]()
Seriously guys..it's the cat's A$$!!!
I´m so close on getting a divorce here! ![]()
Anyone try a Bass throught it?
if I can get my BIL into it, then it´would make life easier! ![]()
LOL oh no! ![]()
Not tried a bass through it, but it has a Bass Octaver that sounded very nice compared to ones I've heard before.
I'll have to hook it up to my X3L and Vax bass and try that M13 in the loop one of these days...but not quite yet. I'm just doing the 4cable method for the first time with my amp for using live.
I'm sure it would be great with bass, though..I don't see why not..
IMO if in doubt, pout. Christmas is coming ![]()
Christmas is already here! ![]()
cgtrox ![]()
stumpsout wrote:
I'm sorry my good dudes! That was not my intent..
If it makes you feel better, I found out that the IH won't do 3 part harmonies like the digitech HM.
Honestly guys, they planned it this way...just come to the dark side of the M13...you know resistance is futile anyways..it's the Line 6 circle of life
This is gonna happen to me, too when they come out with the new Variax
So how does it handle polyphonics? Even just 2 notes?
Hmmm, 3 part harmonies, is it time you got an M9 to go with the M13?
Cheers,
Crusty
lol..I think I'll be okay with these 2 part harmonies.
I tried it with 2 notes ('jazz' octaves) no problem. The problem is if you do notes other than octaves you may get dissonant sounding intervals..it should do a fifth but is set for only 3rds for example
ie; say you are set for key of E major using a 3rd down interval setting..and you do two notes in E major...the result is both notes with a 3rd harmony on them..it can be dissonant sounding. It does sound a bit fuller with 'jazz' octaves, though.
Stumpsout: I want to use the Smart Harmony effect for the same song! Please give me details-are you starting with the heel down (3rd) and moving to toe down (5th) at a certain point in the solo? Details, please!
I switch to 5th above just before halfway through..sorry, I'm faking it a little bit where it changes ![]()
That's best I can tell you.
I can only assume you have an M-13?
And it has a looper?
Would it be posible to have the 3rd looped and use the IH for the 5th? (Crazy I know)
yeah I have the M13
If you played the line with the 3rd, looped it, and then played the line with the root note with the IH set to do the 5th it would work
way to live up to your name ![]()
I had the opportunity to play with it with the SV MKII. It's very impressive. Great tracking, sounds nice, good all around IMO.
Thank you! (Are you a Divorce lawyer on the side?
I know your Playing is the first Priority just form hearing you! Just Fantastic!! )
Were you using MIDI or an FBV to work it, or any pedal? From memory! I know you only had a short time with it!
Oh heck no, only a lunatic gets in the middle of a sour relationship.
I used the FBV MKII with the SV MKII.
Spider 1V amps have smart harmony/pitchglide too. I've just started to play with it.
And? Do you like it? ![]()
Have you used/heard others to compare it with? Please do not be offended, I do not know who you are yet!
For the price difference you should go for the Eventide Pitch Factor, this is probably the ultimate pitching tool in a pedal.
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