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A Thread just for the New IH (AKA- Smart Harmony Pitch glide?)

Anyone play with it?

 

Opinions?

  • phil_m Expert Line 6 User 3,373 posts since
    Jan 25, 2007

    I've played with them on my M13, and just so people are clear - the Smart Harmony and Pitch Glide are two separate effects.

     

    Both of them seem to track fine to me.  The Pitch Glide does a much, much better job of imitating a Whammy then the Bender effect ever did.  As far as the Smart Harmony, the only real point of reference I have to compare it to is the IH on the TC Electronic Nova System.  To me they sound comparable, although, honestly I can't see myself ever really using that effect in a live situation.

     

    I'm actually way more stoked about the other new effects on the M13.  The Particular Verb, Pattern Tremolo, and the Barber Phaser especially.  Those are just some cool effects, and they were totally unexpected.

  • Rebel420 Just Startin' 4 posts since
    Jan 28, 2007

    I am hopign this *is* on topic as this is a generic IH thread...

     

    I know Line6 will not ever divulge if the Smart harmony/pitch glide will be available for Pod X3  (or even XT), whether it be a freebie, or a pay to upgrade deal,

    however, I'm sure someone from Line6 could tell us if the X3 series has the horsepower (processor + memory) to handle this add-on in any aspect? And if it did, woudl the quality be the same as in the stompbox models?

     

     

    Again, I'm not asking for promises ehre, just knwoiign if it is possible or not in the current hardware.

     

    Thanx in advance

    • Karl_Houseknecht Expert Line 6 User 3,529 posts since
      Jan 25, 2007

      Rebel420 wrote:

       

      I know Line6 will not ever divulge if the Smart harmony/pitch glide will be available for Pod X3

      It will not be.

      • DerMetzgermeister Iknowathingortwo 544 posts since
        Jan 25, 2007

        Karl_Houseknecht wrote:

         

        Rebel420 wrote:

         

        I know Line6 will not ever divulge if the Smart harmony/pitch glide will be available for Pod X3

        It will not be.

         

        :hangs head in defeat and weeps like a little girl:

         

        Some "off the record" inside source?

      • Insidian Just Startin' 349 posts since
        Jan 24, 2007

        Karl_Houseknecht wrote:

         

        Rebel420 wrote:

         

        I know Line6 will not ever divulge if the Smart harmony/pitch glide will be available for Pod X3

        It will not be.

         

         

        If this is true, then I'm really going to be turned off from Line 6. As long as we've been screaming for an IH (3 1/2 - 4 years for me), and they're only gonna make it available for something I have to spend at the very least ANOTHER $400 on, plus what I've already spent with them, to get? Hell no.

         

         

        • cgtrox Expert Line 6 User 1,508 posts since
          Jan 25, 2007

          Yeah, I think maybe even a NEW model pack may be in order?

           

          cgtrox

          • Insidian Just Startin' 349 posts since
            Jan 24, 2007

            I'd go for a model pack. I think most people on here have said they would as well. Not doing that would be stupid on L6's part.

             

             

            • stumpsout Just Startin' 891 posts since
              Jan 28, 2007

              model pack is my guess...everybody wins

               

              As long as X3 can handle it..and I don't see why it wouldn't

              ...not very likely for the XT though

              • Rebel420 Just Startin' 4 posts since
                Jan 28, 2007

                I've always said they need to give soem routing options, and let the X3 handle  the dual amp thing more like the vetta -- you have yoru stomps that  can go in front of either amp, or both, then into the 2 amps, THEN the MOD/DELAY/REVERB are a single chain, so both amps share a delay reverb etc.  It makes the mix control work more like you would expect on dual amp models... but my digression = if you routed differently, and eliminated 1 mod, 1 delay and 1 reverb, and let the remaining mod be sued as a harmony, you can't tell me there is not enough horsepower to handle it...

                 

                would I pay extra for the new effx?  Absolutely,  would I pay anopther 4-500 for the harmony alone? no, not worth it to me, but another $100 for harmonizer and other goodies, absolutely... and lets face it, I"m sure there are a lot out there thinking the same thing... so Line6 is missing out on hundreds of guys willing to pay $100 for the effex etc, so they are missing out on 10s of thousands of $$ all to force people into paying $500 for the M13, and sell a couple?   but I could be wrong...

                 

                Either way I hope they find a way to give us the IH... although the M13 is cool, I like the footprint of the X3 better, and using the 4 cable method, and bypassing the amp models, the x3 woudl be able to do pretty much anything i'd use the M13 for anyways,with some compromises I'd be willing to live with...

                • stumpsout Just Startin' 891 posts since
                  Jan 28, 2007

                  Yeah, I'll bet most X3 users would be into it...hope it happens!!

                   

                  Nothing is a sure thing..but this seems very logical for Line 6 to do..they make some bucks letting happy people download stuff, that's a good gig!

                  • Insidian Just Startin' 349 posts since
                    Jan 24, 2007

                    You know, the model pack approach is so logical, I had pretty much assumed it would happen. Almost counted on it. Then when I saw Karl saying no, and knowing how he usually has a good line on things, it took me by suprise. I was actually pretty ticked off at the thought that L6 would NOT allow us X3 users the chance to get the IH. They can't be that stupid.

                     

                    • stumpsout Just Startin' 891 posts since
                      Jan 28, 2007

                      I hear ya, that is confusing to hear him say about that....hopefully he was just drinking heavily or something

                      Or maybe he knows something we don't...?

                       

                      It sure has been quiet..maybe next week we'll hear

                      • Karl_Houseknecht Expert Line 6 User 3,529 posts since
                        Jan 25, 2007

                        Think about the processor power.  The same processor in the X3 allows for how many simultaneous effects, including amp/cab/mic models in two independent chains at the same time?  Processor pretty well maxxed out.  But in the SV and M13 it's only ~4 effects at once and a single chain.  So there'd be power to spare, right?  It's telling that Line6 implemented the IH in these units.

                        • Rebel420 Just Startin' 4 posts since
                          Jan 28, 2007

                          We were also told that when the X3 came out, that there was room to spare ... i just didnt know hnow much the IH needed ... also with outher units of years past, you could umm elminate effects in order to gain others... so hey, If to use IH you had to mix the dual amp tones right after the amp and only have 1 mod/delay reverb instead of 2, just to get  the IH, i'd buy that...

                          • Karl_Houseknecht Expert Line 6 User 3,529 posts since
                            Jan 25, 2007

                            Rebel420 wrote:

                             

                            We were also told that when the X3 came out, that there was room to spare ...

                             

                            The room referred to the flash ROM necessary to store additional models.  Not the processing power.

                             

                            Hey, I don't pretend to understand the why.  Even the GT-10, with a similar processor, can have lots of effects, 2 amp models, and an IH active at the same time.  Although, not the same number of simultaneous effects and chains as the X3.  But still, it has an IH.  The only thing I can guess is that the X3 algorithms are more processor intensive.

                        • Insidian Just Startin' 349 posts since
                          Jan 24, 2007

                          I dont know, man. We were flat out told no about an IH at one point after the X3 had already come out, if I remember correctly. To me, that says they didnt have one ready when the X3 was released. Might not have even started on it at that time, who knows. Of course, that could also mean it cant handle it, either.....bah.

                           

                           

                          • stumpsout Just Startin' 891 posts since
                            Jan 28, 2007

                            I'm betting it can't handle it, now that I think about it..there is a lot of effects (times 2) plus 2 modelled tones and 2 modelled cabs at once.

                            That's a lot on an X3 plate already.

                          • sofnwhat Just Startin' 684 posts since
                            Jan 25, 2007

                            Interesting thread, too bad I'm late to the party. The IH and Pitchglide work great on the M13.

                             

                            As far as the X3, I was going to bring up the proccessing power point that Karl brought up. Line6Renken confirmed that point in my Thread Calling him out. I've also thought alot about it. I so blown away by that quality of the effects in the M13 cared to the POD. If you look up my threads, you'll see me consisently saying that the effects in the POD are lacking. I used a XTL for a while and then got the X3L about a month after it came out. I've been lucky with my X3L, I haven't have any problems with it. I used the X3L for a long time. Then I got the SV HD100, even though the modeling is 2.0 they sound great. Lastly, I just got a M13. I do have a Variax 500. So I have alot of L6 gear to compare tones and sounds, and they don't match up like you'd think they would. The amp models in the POD are great, while I think the effects are not so great, the  amp models are much more important. The POD has one DSP to proccess everything, and I'd rather spend the majority on the amp modeling, I mean that is your tone folks. Even with 2.0 modeling the SV sounds great because really not much there to proccess, especially since the back end is tube, so the benefit of the DSP power working solely for for the amp modeling and a few effects is evident. The M13 rocks, again the DSP is only doing effects. I been saying this lately. L6's next POD should have two proccessors in it, one for the amp models and the other for effects. That'll be an awesome unit. Yes it would cost more, but it'd be worth it.

                             

                            As far as the X3 goes, it does alot and it an awesome tool. Even with all the problems it's had, and it's jammed packed with alot featuers and options already. If they do nothing more for it, it changes nothing. And how is it fair to compare the stuff they put out for the XT, when all they were doing was porting models from another product? The X3 already has everthing! I don't see the IH happening on the X3, not enough DSP. Look at how crappy the Bender and some of the other effects track, it can't handle them properly. It's better to not have it on there then have track so bad that you can't use it. Anyway, you didn't ask but those are my thoughts. Know I have to go bottle 5 gallons of Belgium Witbier homebrew, later

            • Schoppe84 Just Startin' 4 posts since
              Jul 26, 2009

              A model pack will be nice, either for XT or X3, I could pay for it if necessary, the Smart Harmony on Spider IV, is great, however it would be nice to have it in the POD as well. I have to use my Spider IV 120 in "test mode"(holding TAP while powering on the amp) in order to use my own POD configuration(that's not a big deal), but since the Spider IV is in "test mode"(no functions enabled) I cannot mix an effect(Pod) with another effect(Spider IV), therefore the Smart Harmony does not have any functionality in my banks.I also have the MkI. I'm not mentioning what I have to brag(since is not too much), but what I want to highlight is that I have spent a lot of money already on Line6 products(which are great) so i'd feel like a "thank you, we appreciate your choice", to create model pack(that I will purchase again, that's ok). I will greatly appreciate it.

    • RichRenken Line 6 Support 1,900 posts since
      Apr 19, 2008

      Rebel420 wrote:

       

      I am hopign this *is* on topic as this is a generic IH thread...

       

      I know Line6 will not ever divulge if the Smart harmony/pitch glide will be available for Pod X3  (or even XT), whether it be a freebie, or a pay to upgrade deal,

      however, I'm sure someone from Line6 could tell us if the X3 series has the horsepower (processor + memory) to handle this add-on in any aspect? And if it did, woudl the quality be the same as in the stompbox models?

       

       

      Again, I'm not asking for promises ehre, just knwoiign if it is possible or not in the current hardware.

       

      Thanx in advance

      I cannot talk about any of that. Hang tough.

       

      But I will say this. If I were a POD XT/X3 I would get an M9 and run it 4 cable method with the POD. Then you have all the horsepower of great sounding amp models with all the horsepower of the M9 doing the best of our effects all in a very small space. I believe, don't quote me on it, you could send midi out of the POD into the M9 in scene mode (up to 24 scenes) and control all with a button press.

      • Crusty_Old_Rocker Expert Line 6 User 2,739 posts since
        Jan 24, 2007

        Line6Renken wrote:

         

        Rebel420 wrote:

         

        I am hopign this *is* on topic as this is a generic IH thread...

         

        I know Line6 will not ever divulge if the Smart harmony/pitch glide will be available for Pod X3  (or even XT), whether it be a freebie, or a pay to upgrade deal,

        however, I'm sure someone from Line6 could tell us if the X3 series has the horsepower (processor + memory) to handle this add-on in any aspect? And if it did, woudl the quality be the same as in the stompbox models?

         

         

        Again, I'm not asking for promises ehre, just knwoiign if it is possible or not in the current hardware.

         

        Thanx in advance

        I cannot talk about any of that. Hang tough.

         

        But I will say this. If I were a POD XT/X3 I would get an M9 and run it 4 cable method with the POD. Then you have all the horsepower of great sounding amp models with all the horsepower of the M9 doing the best of our effects all in a very small space. I believe, don't quote me on it, you could send midi out of the POD into the M9 in scene mode (up to 24 scenes) and control all with a button press.

         

        Hi Rich,

         

        When it comes to MIDI, with Line 6 devices it's all or nothing.  You can't just have program changes sent.  Any control touched on the POD will be sent out as a MIDI CC#.  So if you activate the wah on your POD you'll probably activate the wah on the M9. The pedal when the way is not activated will send CC# 7 values into the M9.

         

        Also the 4 cable method doesn't help Variax owners much, an M9 would have to go into the loop and then you only have the effects on Tone 1 or Tone 2 not both.

         

        Cheers,

         

        Crusty

  • stumpsout Just Startin' 891 posts since
    Jan 28, 2007

    both are killer IMO

     

    The pitch glide surpasses the Digitech Whammy I just traded in by a mile. Tracks and bends more than one note at a time just fine.

    I'm also using the IH set for key of E major with a 3rd down in the heel down position, and a 5th up in the toe down position for the solo in Linda Ronstant's "When Will I Be Loved" .

    The band collectively dropped their jaws to the floor when I pulled it off...I'm in love with the M13

  • bobsavage Just Startin' 13 posts since
    Apr 4, 2006

    I had the opportunity to play with it with the SV MKII.  It's very impressive.  Great tracking, sounds nice, good all around IMO.

  • MarcA Just Startin' 9 posts since
    Nov 5, 2006

    Spider 1V amps have smart harmony/pitchglide too. I've just started to play with it.

  • francisb Just Startin' 131 posts since
    Feb 15, 2007

    For the price difference you should go for the Eventide Pitch Factor, this is probably the ultimate pitching tool in a pedal.

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