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kzaferk Just Startin' 6 posts since
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Nov 15, 2009 10:22 AM

Recording using POD X3 Live?

I recently bought a POD X3 Live and found about the USB audio drop out problem. So, I need tips on alternative ways to record using a computer, knowing that I use POD Farm Plug-in in Ableton Live. Please keep in mind that I live in Egypt and it will be very difficult to attempt the hardware fix. Thank you in advance for your time and effort.

  • Rowbi Expert Line 6 User 7,454 posts since
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    Nov 15, 2009 12:39 PM (in response to kzaferk)
    Re: Recording using POD X3 Live?

    well one way that recording artist tent to preser is a firewire audio interface with a digital SPDIF input.  and as the POD has an SPDIF digital output.

     

    so use that method to record your dry track with no effects, then reamp it using pod farm seperately.  or just get another audio card and get pod farm platinum for ilok and an ilok dongle...

     

    all that said, you may find it's a lot of money to get around the issue, so contact Line6 and see what they can do for you.

      • silverhead Expert Line 6 User 7,254 posts since
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        Nov 16, 2009 6:47 AM (in response to kzaferk)
        Re: Recording using POD X3 Live?

        Now I connect the POD X3 live to computer via USB without  a guitar, will this open all the models in the POD Farm Plugin?

        Yes, as long as the X3L is connected you will have all models/effects available in POD Farm plugin. But, with or without guitar attached, you will still have the audio dropout problem associated with the X3L, which means your playback of audio will suddenly drop out while you are mixing and tweaking tones using POD Farm. In fact, as far as I know, the dropout problem is associated much more frequently with audio playback than with recording.

          • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User 9,066 posts since
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            Nov 16, 2009 10:07 AM (in response to kzaferk)
            Re: Recording using POD X3 Live?

            the drop out only affects the X3L...

            but you should also be using the GX as your input too, or you'll have latency issues....

             

            making your use of the X3L for recording simply to authorize the pod farm plugin.

          • silverhead Expert Line 6 User 7,254 posts since
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            Nov 16, 2009 10:38 AM (in response to kzaferk)
            Re: Recording using POD X3 Live?

            kzaferk wrote:

             

            Will I have the dropout even if recording and playback is done through the POD Studio GX while using the x3 live just to load models?

            That's a good question that I can't answer, but would be interested in knowing the answer. Perhaps you could test/tell us. When the X3L is connected so that the POD Farm plugin recognizes it to enable all the models, is it possible to simultaneously direct your DAW away from the X3L so that it uses the GX as its audio input/output source? Or will switching the DAW's audio interface to the GX cause POD Farm to no longer recognize the X3L (and hence restrict the models)? Please try it and let us know. If that works, your problem seems solved.

              • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User 9,066 posts since
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                Nov 16, 2009 12:33 PM (in response to kzaferk)
                Re: Recording using POD X3 Live?

                i have the x3 and the DI-G (which is a previous generation GX) it works fine, in fact i had to do things using this device for a time before they had a solid plan to address the USB dropout issue. (i also use ableton)

                 

                i never had any issues running the plug-ins... but i would note that the DI-G came with "Gearbox Gold" which upgraded to "podfarm platinum".... meaning both devices had access to all the models, making it impossible for me to say 100% that it was the x3 authorizing the "model packs"

                 

                if you do buy the GX, it should take care of all of your recording needs in the short term....

                i would use the time to pursue the hardware fix even though i know your location makes this more of a challenge than normal.

  • philasonic Just Startin' 127 posts since
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    Nov 16, 2009 7:18 PM (in response to kzaferk)
    Re: Recording using POD X3 Live?

    One alternative method is to split the signal out of your guitar.

     

    Step1:  Send one clean and dry to be recorded.  You can use this track to do virtual re-amp as needed.

     

    Step2:  Send the other track to your Pod, and record with the sound you like.  You can drop this track later if you want to re-amp, but you may end up keeping it.

     

    You can re-amp using the plug-ins as folks normally do.  But there's another way.  More like the traditional method used in modular recording studios (rather than on computer).

     

    Take the clean track (from Step1) and send it through the audio output of your sound card (or audio break out box, or whatever you use to get sound out of the computer) and send it to your Pod.  It will probably be WAY hotter than what the Pod expects, so you should drop the level on the computer output AND set the trim on the Pod to compensate.

     

    Then find the exact sound on the physical Pod device.

     

    When you find the sound you like, send the output back to your computer and record it.  You will now have a third track, which will be this new sound.

     

    No, you cant keep tweaking through billions of plug-ins to your hearts delight.  But you can find a great sound that you love and actually move on to mixing and having a great sounding recording, just like real studio engineers do.  The more distractions you have, the longer it takes to actually come up with a finished product anyway.

     

    Good luck.

  • timowens Gear Head 1,230 posts since
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    Nov 17, 2009 12:19 PM (in response to kzaferk)
    Re: Recording using POD X3 Live?

    One think I would wonder about is, if you have the USB Dropout, will it disrupt the validation of PodFarm? I seem to remember that the dropout not only caused a loss of audio, it also made GearBox stop working so it just might drop the PodFarm connection too.

  • Line6Miller Line 6 11,613 posts since
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    Nov 17, 2009 12:31 PM (in response to kzaferk)
    RE: Recording using POD X3 Live?

    Hello,

       

      The USB audio drop out will not affect the authorization in POD Farm at all. The problem you may run into is the POD Studio GX "trumping" the POD when you have both devices connected via USB. What this means is that the POD Farm plug in will only recognize the GX as the main authorization (dongle) device and therefore you will not get all of the models available to you in the POD X3 Live until you disconnect the GX.

       

      So the workaround would be to record what you can through the GX and then set your audio project to your computer's internal sound card, plug the X3 in and use the plug in without the GX connected.

       

      Or, you can conenct the analog out of the X3 into the input of the GX and route that signal into your recording application.

       

      Does this make sense at all? Let me know if it helps.

       

      Line6Miller

  • Line6Miller Line 6 11,613 posts since
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    Nov 19, 2009 8:56 AM (in response to kzaferk)
    RE: Recording using POD X3 Live?

    Hello,

       

       

      It's been a couple of days since we've heard from you. We're going to assume your question has been answered and close this thread. If you still have questions please feel free to open a new question with us and we will answer your questions accordingly. Thanks!

       

      Line6Miller

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