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The_Fly_ Just Startin' 48 posts since
Apr 13, 2009
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Jul 2, 2009 11:01 AM

Confused about how to use Delay Settings

I am trying to emulate the exact delay effect that the Edge (from U2) use's on the live version of the song "Bad".  There are a few individuals [primarly on youtube] that have shared some great insight into settings - however; they are using AXE FX... so I am a bit confused on how to translate their input into what I can do with the M13.

 

Here are the setting suggestions:

432 ms [this i know what to do adjust - simple]

dotted eigth note [bit confused - because i thought you can only select either this or an actual ms setting]??

2.311 hz [I have NO clue what to do with this]???

 

Anybody with some input/tips would be greatly apprecaited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I am an idiot with this stuff - so please break it down!!

 

Thanks

  • jvblack Iknowathingortwo 190 posts since
    Oct 20, 2007
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    Jul 2, 2009 1:43 PM (in response to The_Fly_)
    Re: Confused about how to use Delay Settings

    Dotted eighth note:

     

    Take the song tempo in beats/minute (BPM).

     

    Do some math:   60/BPM=Time per beat ; Time per beat X 1000 = Time per beat in milliseconds

     

    A dotted eighth note is 3/4 of a beat ( 0.75 of a beat).

     

    Do some more math:  Time per beat in milliseconds / 0.75 = your delay setting for that song at that temp repeating a dotted eighth note.

     

    EXAMPLE:


    Set a delay for dotted eighth note delay time in milliseconds for a song with a tempo of 100 beats per minute:


    60 / 100 = 0.6     (time per beat in seconds)


    0.6 X 1000 = 600  (time per beat in milliseconds)


    600 X 0.75 = 450 (delay setting in milliseconds for a dotted eighth note delay at 100 beats per minute.

     

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    2.311 Hz

     

    Hz (Hertz) indicates how many times something happens in one second.

     

    There are 1000 milliseconds in a second.

     

    To get a delay setting in milliseconds when given hertz, you simply do the math:

     

    1000 / Hz = delay setting in milliseconds.  (actually the reciprocal of the frequency)

     

    EXAMPLE:


    Set a delay in milliseconds to repeat at a frequency of 2.311 Hz.


    1000 / 2.311 = 432.71  (your delay setting in milliseconds, but you should probably round off to 432 ms or even 430 ms.)

     

     

    Conversion factors:

     

    Where we used .75 for a dotted eighth note, here are the figures you use for other common note values:


    Whole Note                      4


    Dotted Half Note             3


    Half Note                          2


    Dotted Quarter Note      1.5


    Quarter Note                   1


    Dotted Eighth Note          0.75


    Eighth Note                       0.5    


    Dotted Sixteenth Note     0.375


    Sixteenth Note                  0.25

     

     

     

     

    Hope this helps,

    Joe

  • Brian_C Just Startin' 14 posts since
    Jul 17, 2008
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    Aug 4, 2009 8:22 AM (in response to The_Fly_)
    Re: Confused about how to use Delay Settings

    Hi Fly,

       I may have responded to you on another forum (tut tut tut) about Edge’s delay.

    I love playing this song, it’s probably my all time fav song.   I play this song through a DigiTech RP500 and into a Spider III amp and get a great Edge Bad sound.

    I use 440ms, 2 repeats at 90%.  The key to getting that chugga chugga sound on the A and D strings is that you’ll need to mute them with your picking hand and you MUST use a Compressor.  The only distortion I use is from the AC30 amp model set to 70 I think.

    Also remember to throw in a couple of open A and D strings in the solo – play the solo backwards to what you hear on the CD, this is due to the delay. The solo is simple to play, but getting it to sound like Edge is pretty difficult, it took me quiet a bit of effort to get it right.

    BTW: I seen them last week playing Dublin's Croke Park - wow - A totally stunning show.

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