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Stemlife79 Just Startin' 32 posts since
Jan 26, 2007
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Apr 14, 2010 8:53 PM

Spider Valve MKII HD100-Getting a pop sound when switching presets

Everytime I switch presets I get a clicking sound. On the fbv as well as the buttons on the amp. I get no clean transition. Is it broken???

  • rolisx Just Startin' 13 posts since
    Aug 9, 2007

    Hi,

    I think this is because of low preset volumes (not master volume). when you set them higher, the popping will disappear

  • Line6Andy Line 6 4,345 posts since
    Jun 5, 2006

    Hello,

      We are looking into this situation further.  I'll check back when I have more information.

  • JeffHester Just Startin' 15 posts since
    Nov 6, 2009

    Was this problem addressed and corrected yet? I too am experiencing this same thing. Thanks for the help.

  • zeartist Just Startin' 13 posts since
    Jul 12, 2010

    What flash version you guys have? I think on mine it's 1.50, I think I remember reading that the newer flash update (2+) is supposed to fix this.

     

    Anyway I'll try this and will see... Though I have to admit this is not very impressive, there should be some "crossfade" between patch switching (put a super quick fade out on old patch and fade in on new patch), that's what I'd think...Or put an option to do this somewhere...

  • RabbyLeth Just Startin' 1 posts since
    Oct 15, 2010

    I've been having the same problem with my valve 212. Has there been any update with this? I keep my channel volumes pretty low as I use this amp in a house and I don't want the neighbours to get disturbed. Setting the volumes to 50% or more as suggested would be pretty damn loud and the master volume seems unresponsive at really low setting (from zero to bloody loud in one millimetre turn).

     

    Up to recently I have been just using the one channel at a time but now have bought a shortboard so as to change channels mid-song and this popping is really loud and makes the amp useless at low settings.

    I'm running 2.0 on the amp.

  • Colin2113 Just Startin' 51 posts since
    Oct 29, 2009

    I figured out how to fix the pop. Buy a POD HD500 and get rid of your spidervalve while you can still get some money for it.

  • mekajinn Just Startin' 63 posts since
    Jan 27, 2011

    another 'assumed answered' when it clearly has not.

  • JeffHester Just Startin' 15 posts since
    Nov 6, 2009

    Line6 has totally ****** me off about this known issue. Don't look for them to fix it because they won't. I called their tech support and they told me there was a known issue and to take it to a repair place. I did... drove 90 miles t the nearest authorized repair fascility. These people call Line6 and what do they say... There is no issue, it's just how the amp is. So the situation is... Line6 designed an amp that is unusable at low volume after their firmware upgrade. Line6 said that most 40 watt tube amps are very loud at one or two. I said BS... I have a Mesa Dual Rectifier 100 watt head that is still usable and sounds great at low volume.

     

    Also.. Don't look to the POD HD500 with DT amps to fix the problem.

    • Nick_Mattocks Expert Line 6 User 9,066 posts since
      Mar 26, 2007

      Jeff - I understand where you're coming from, and i understand your frustration, but no BS... I have a Mesa Boogie MkIII Simulclass 1x12 combo which has a master volume control which is on a hair trigger and goes from very quiet to ultra loud in the space of just 1mm movement - and it's not the pot that's faulty - that's how the amp is.  It is possible to set it with a little care so that low volume playing is possible, and the same is true of the Spider Valve MkI, Spider Valve MkII, Spider III 150 and Spider IV amps that I own.  I set my channel volume to around 50% and I control my master volume from the Master Volume knob on the amp.  It is a little bit touchy on all those amps for sure, but it is most definitely manageable without too much trouble IME- and with the Channel Volume settings at around 50% I do not experience any popping when changing between presets.

       

      Yes - there is a known issue with this, and yes perhaps Line 6 need to provide a solution, but at the moment there is no fix available except to set your Channel Volume (per preset) to about 50% and to manage the Master Volume, which again is most definitely do-able, and having used my Spider Valve MkII quite a lot at home at low level by managing the Master Volume setting fairly easily, I would have to disagree with your statement that the Spider Valve MkII is unusable at low volume.  I will say it is definitely not a smooth transition from no volume to about 15% on the dial, but it is nevertheless controllable IME - and not only with Line 6 amps, but others which have sensitive MV controls too.

       

      The POD HD500/HD Pro and a DT-xx amp won't fix this problem as they are completely different in terms of architecture and design so they are different animals entirely to the Spider Valve MkII, but I do have an HD500, a DT-25 and a POD HD Pro as well as a DT-50 and they do provide a viable alternative to a Spider Valve MkII if someone wants to go down that road.  The DT-25 and DT-50 actually manage valve amp Negative Feedback Loop topology settings in real time which means switching HT level voltages around and if switching from an amp model on the POD that uses say a class A/B power amp to another amp model that uses a Class A power amp, you may get a pop, but for entirely different reasons to the pop in the Spider Valve MkII.  the DT-25 does seem much quieter in this respect to the DT-50.

       

      Nick

      • mtnman82 Just Startin' 112 posts since
        Mar 15, 2008

        I'm a long time Boogie guy.  I still have my MkII C simul-class 1x12 (w/EQ in imbuya wood and wicker grill) ordered new when I was in high school.  I also sold a MkIII for my MkIV.  The MkII & MkIII are useable live, but really tough to do so.  With the cascading gain setup, even the littlest tweak upsets everything balance-wise between the channels.  And yes the master volume is on a hair trigger, but this is a known 'issue', if you will, with these amps.  This was resolved with the MkIV and was a major selling (marketing) point for the MkIV.  This was THE reason I sold the MkIII for the MkIV and never looked back.  I will still use the MkII C when I play with my 20 piece big band or other horn type combo groups - in a situation where I'm not doing any channel switching.  I use the MkIV for the groups which require channel switching (actually settled on using the MkIV most of the time even with the big band, but the II C is truly in a class by itself sound-wise - not just saying that.  Those who have had a chance to really use them know and can tell you.  The 'juiciest' amp you will ever hear.  But I digress...).

         

        Point here is that the earlier Boogies have the hair trigger volume due to the cascading gain setup.  This really IS the nature of the beast.  The Line 6 design has absolutely no excuse for such behavior on the MkII SV.  ESPECIALLY when you consider amp design and that this problem didn't exist on the MkI SV.

         

        So they've known about this going on 2 years no with no resolution in sight, and a recent post (11/2011) states tech support claims to be unaware of any issue.  Pretty laughable really, in a very sad way.  Like I've said before, and to any potential new users out there reading this forum:  You buy this stuff and you're on your own if you have an issue.  Don't expect much, if anything at all, from Line 6 tech support.

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