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ReplicantDave Just Startin' 9 posts since
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Jun 30, 2010 7:26 AM

Ongoing LD/HD400 power output question

This is the third time of posting because my question keeps getting closed before it is answered properly.....

See: http://line6.com/community/thread/37943

 

 

The LowDown Pilots Guide states on page 8:

"19. Extension Speaker Output (LD400Pro only) Only use an 8 Ohm Speaker cabinet when using the Extension Speaker Output".

 

This in parallel with the internal 4ohm load would give a total impedance of 2.7ohms.

 

However, the answer to this question states that the minimum permissible load is 4 Ohms: http://line6.com/community/thread/25918

 

"You will need to either have two 8 ohm cabinets or one cabinet with a 4 ohm load.  Now if you do not play so loud that you need the total power of the head, you can get an 8 ohm cabinet for now and if you start playing more/larger rooms that required more sound, get another 8 ohm cabinet which will unlock the rest of the power available to you.  I use 8 ohm cabinets, I have 2, 1-15" cabs and 1, 2x10" cab.  I can only use 2 of the 3 on the HD-400 at any given time as they are all 8 ohm and hooking up three would put too low a load on the head",

 

I hope you can now see where my confusion arises from?

  • ricksox UberGuru 11,600 posts since
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    Jul 1, 2010 2:53 PM (in response to ReplicantDave)
    Re: Ongoing LD/HD400 power output question

    Dave,

     

    What's you desired set up here?

     

    The LD400 Pro (combo) can only be connected to one (1) speaker cabinet rated at 8ohms

     

    The LD 400HD and 750HD can be connected to either one (1) 4 ohm speaker cab in either output or two (2) 8ohm cabinets.

     

    So, what kind of hookup are you looking for?

     

     

    Line6Miller

    • kweatherhead Just Startin' 26 posts since
      Oct 5, 2009
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      Jul 1, 2010 3:15 PM (in response to ricksox)
      Re: Ongoing LD/HD400 power output question

      I have watched, in kind of amazement, at how this thread has gone back and forth.  My interest is that my offered answer of me being able to only use 2 of my 3 cabinets keeps getting thrown back and forth and it seems that the parties... Dave and Line 6, keep approaching the issues from different sides and never achieve a "meeting of the minds".  I'm certainly no god, but lets see if we can get to the bottom of the issue here....

       

      As I have only read the LD manual (in regards to the LD-400) but own an LD-150 and a HD-400, I think I have a fairly good understanding of how they work.

       

      The first issue is determining the power output of the LD-400, which when presented with a total 4 ohm load, should be 400 watts of output power.

       

      Second if the internal speakers in the amp, rated to a 4 ohm load, there would be no ability to hang an external cabinet off the LD-400 as the total load would be represented by the speakers in the LD-400 unit.

       

      If I have to take a guess, the speakers in the LD-400, if wired in parallel are 16 ohm speakers presenting an 8 ohm load to the LD-400.

       

      Being that, hopefully I am still on a roll here, the LD-400 is only capable oif delivering around 275 watts (give or take) with only the interal speakers.

       

      Now if you connect an 8 ohm, external load (extra cabinet) you will now load-down the amp to its maximum effeciency delivering a maximum of 400 watts to the internal speakers AND the external cabinet.  Meaning an external cabinet (of 8 ohms) MUST be connected for the amp to deliver FULL POWER !!

       

      HOWEVER, if Line 6 is using a "switching" jack for the external (extension) cabinet and a resister pack, of 8 OHM value, then the amp *could* deliver the 400 watts to the internal speakers and when an external cabinet is connected, the resister pack would be taken out of the curcuit, allowing the external cabinet to perform the roll of the resister pack with additional speakers, thereby allowing the FULL 400 WATTS to be delivered with OR without the extension cabinet.  Leaving the only remining question that I cannot verify, because I DO NOT have an LD-400... Line 6... are you doing something along this line, or does my previous description apply... and that is something for Line 6 to answer...

  • RichRenken Iknowathingortwo 1,917 posts since
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    Jul 2, 2010 3:26 PM (in response to ReplicantDave)
    Re: Ongoing LD/HD400 power output question

    Rich here. Product Manager for the LowDown series.

     

    We make the minimum load 4 on the heads to be safe and stay completely away from 2 ohms where the amp can over heat and shut down. But even then, it only blinks out for a moment. It doesn't hurt the amp.

     

    So with the LD400 it goes down to 2.6666 and has no problem hanging out there. It gives you about 630 watts ish. It doesn't go into thermal shut down. But if you put a 4 ohm speaker on the extra jack then you would drop to 2 ohms and run into the thermal shut down.

     

    So technically, you could hook a 4 ohm and 8 ohm speaker to the heads and have no problem. But there are not many 4 ohm only cabs that are not 8x10 cabs. So we just keep people in the safe zone.

     

    Hope this helps.

    • kweatherhead Just Startin' 26 posts since
      Oct 5, 2009
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      Jul 4, 2010 12:29 PM (in response to RichRenken)
      Re: Ongoing LD/HD400 power output question

      Rich, based on your answer, rather than following the label on the product and the instructions in the manual, you have successfully told me why I wasted money buying new cabinets to accomodate the 4 ohm load instructions when I could have put that money to better use and continued using my three (3) original 8 ohm cabinets with the HD-400 like I had with my prior amp head.

       

      At some point you put together definitive instructions that people either follow or they don't.  You cannot protect everyone from themselves, but you sure can disappoint responsible people who can read and follow instructions.

       

      If this is the "complete" and "correct" answer, much appreciated, for future use purposes, only wish it had been the ONLY answer given !!!!

       

      Regards,

      Keith

      An LD-150/HD-400 user

      As opposed to being an abuser !!

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