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Crusty_Old_Rocker Expert Line 6 User 3,096 posts since
Jan 24, 2007
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Aug 5, 2010 10:30 PM

Want more models?  They are already in there!!!

Hi All,

 

I really feel a bit disappointed when I see posts requesting more or different models in the Variax and the same is happening right now, even before the JTVs are released.

 

I actually have more than the 25 models that my Variax guitars came with, yet Line 6 have not made any more models available.  Anyone can have many more models than those that come with the Variax and JTV.

 

The big key to unlocking what the Variax can really do is to use a PODxt Live, POD X3 Live or POD X3 Pro and the Variax Workbench software.

 

The reason for having one of the POD devices is that it not only acts as the interface for the Workbench software, it also gives the player access to the default factory models in the guitar even after customising all of the User memory locations.  What this means is that you will have the 25 models (50 configurations) that are standard on the Variax PLUS 12 banks each containing 5 presets (a total of 60) customisable memory locations for guitars that you can create for yourself.  That's a total of 110 different guitar configurations.

 

Take a look at how many electric guitar body types the Variax comes with:

 

1960 Fender Telecaster Custom
1968 Fender Telecaster
1968 Fender Telecaster Thinline
1959 Fender Stratocaster
1958 Gibson Les Paul Standard
1952 Gibson Les Paul “Goldtop”
1961 Gibson Les Paul Custom
1956 Gibson Les Paul Junior
1976 Gibson Firebird V
1955 Gibson Les Paul Special
1959 Gretsch 6120
1956 Gretsch Silver Jet
1968 Rickenbacker 360
1961 Gibson ES-335
1967 Epiphone Casino
1957 Gibson ES-175
1953 Gibson Super 400
Danelectro 3021

 

So, there is a wide variety of body shapes, styles (solid & hollow), different woods, etc.  There is enough variety here to find something that goes close to the shape, style and wood of any guitar that you might want to model.

 

Next take a look at the pickups that you can choose from.  There is a great variety of single coil and humbuckers, neck and bridge styles, I am not in front of Workbench at the moment to add them all up.

 

Now if you multiply the 18 body types by the number of pickups, you will get a number of basic custom guitars you could get started with.  You can wire your pickups in series or parallel and you can have them in or out of phase.  So, we can now double the number of possibilities and then double them again.  How many guitars are we up to now?

 

It goes way further than this.  You can position the pickup from the bridge right up onto the fretboard and you can rotate them too.  Already we have added hundreds of possibilities.  You can boost or cut the gain of the pickups and the overall guitar model too.  So you can make a really "HOT" or "Modern" guitar to overdrive your amp or you could have something tame that will stay clean.

 

If you want to change the tonal character of your new guitar then you can swap the tone control capacitor and pot values to match the guitar of your dreams.  I really do mean the guitar of your dreams quite literally because you can do things with the variax models that are physically impossible in the real world (like putting a two pickups on top of each other on the neck of the guitar or rotating two pickups in oposite directions and putting them on top of each other to form an X).

 

Do the math, there are hundreds of thousands of possible guitars in the Variax and you can add up to 60 custom guitars that you can access immediately on the Variax.

 

I have never wished for an additional electric guitar model from Line 6 because I have just used Workbench to add any other guitar that my heart desires.  Anyone with a Variax, POD and Workbench can do the same.

 

Every Variax owner really needs to watch the Workbench video.  http://line6.com/variaxWorkbench/movies.html

 

Please go and watch the videos and gain a deeper understanding of just how many guitars are hiding inside the Variax just waiting for you to discover.

 

Cheers,

 

Crusty

  • RogerZ Just Startin' 34 posts since
    Jul 7, 2007

    Well said! I'm a big fan of Variax guitars and can get every sound I want out of it. After I sold my Variax 700 Amber a few years back, I missed something with the conventional guitars I bought. So back to Variax? Yes, I bought a 300. Sounds were allright...guitar absolutly not! Sold it, bought a 600. Man, that thing just wouldn't stay in tune. Even with graphtech nut and Schaller locking tuners. So, sold the damn thing. Bought an old 500. Probably the best Vax, but missed the tremelo. Sold it last week, just for the money to buy the new James Tyler Variax. I just know, this will be my main guitar for many years to come! The sounds and possibbility were allright in the Variax I, so with four times the power of the old version this must be better. I do believe this must be a better build guitar. Line 6 can't afford to make mistakes like they did. The pups on the guitar (I want a JTV69) are a big advance. I own a POD X3 Pro, and I can't wait to try to send the pups to amp one, and the Variax sounds to amp 2. Wow, which other other guitar can do that. I'm a big Variax from the start...and I will follow! Hope to get one soon!

  • acerboni Just Startin' 30 posts since
    Apr 10, 2006
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    2. Aug 6, 2010 3:47 AM (in response to RogerZ)
    Re: Want more models?  They are already in there!!!

    Hello! I am also a lover of the Variax. I have the 600 model that I find perfect for my needs. I immediately fell in love with the possibility of different guitars and build some original using the workbench like a liuther factory. Only sounds that I miss are some emulations of acoustic on 700 model and nylon strings. Combined with the pod x3live solution allows any sound. Only the imagination is the limit. I have a collection of vintage and chiatrre really do not feel the need of magnetic pk. To have two stamps I discovered that you can connect two parallel Pod and get the lowest cost many more possibilities for JTV. What to say? Who likes to take a JTV is good, but I expect further improvements on the side no sw hw. A more powerful processor to combine the series acoustic to electric. More chance of morphing between the models available.

  • Eamonn01 Just Startin' 16 posts since
    May 31, 2007

    Hello,

     

    I mainly aggre with you and i really love my Vax 600 and all it's capabilities (unfortunatly i won't have the money to get a jtv rigth now...).

    Over the all question of new models, i don't really feel the needs of it, thanks to workbench as you pointed, but line 6 have already other (not new) models that they didn't use in the jtv, those from the bass variax and the acoustic 700.

    I don't understand why they didn't put those in it unless they're planning on making some new variax bass and acoustic wich will use the new dsp power and so.

    Even though, i think it would have been cool to access those on a single instrument (just like the vg 99 but with the line 6 modelisation quality).

    Maybe a good compromise could be the ability to bought them as model pack (like with the xt series).

    I hope this has not been discussed somewher else caus i didn't find explanation on this.

     

    Anyway, i have an other question, but it's a little off topic: i'm really interested in wath you say about the banks in the variax and the possibilitie to have 110 of them. I currently don't have any pod to try it (just sold my xtlive and waiting my x3 pro wich will hopefully arrive next week) but i don't see how you could access the original spank 1 by exemple if you have an other custom tone in it's place. Or maybe i misunderstood?

     

    Hope all this is understandable as english is not my first language.

    So as we say in french,

    merci pour tout et aurevoir ;-)

    cordialement

     

    Eamonn

  • phellouin Just Startin' 126 posts since
    Aug 9, 2007
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    4. Aug 6, 2010 9:38 AM (in response to Eamonn01)
    Re: Want more models?  They are already in there!!!

    Salut Eamonn

     

    Le POD X3 te permet pour chaque preset de choisir le modèle de la variax soit celui qui est sauvegardé dans ta variax à une certaine position soit celui de la banque de son original

     

    A+

     

    English version

     

    The POD X3 allows you to choose for each preset any sounds you currently saved in the Variax memory or the sounds that were in the original sound bank

     

    Cheers

  • Eamonn01 Just Startin' 16 posts since
    May 31, 2007
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    5. Aug 6, 2010 11:25 AM (in response to phellouin)
    Re: Want more models?  They are already in there!!!

    That's sound really cool, i'm looking forward to try it.

    I never read anything about that tip, is it something top secret or am i just lame at searching infos?

    Anyway,  thanks for the confirmation, it will be very handy as i'm working on my  new rig and i want to use the variax live (i only use it in studio and  as a backup but i fortunatly never had to use it).

     

    Merci Phellouin, je commençais à penser que j'étais le seul amoureux de la variax à parler la langue de Molière ;-)

    cordialement

     

    Eamonn

  • acerboni Just Startin' 30 posts since
    Apr 10, 2006
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    6. Aug 6, 2010 12:27 PM (in response to Eamonn01)
    Re: Want more models?  They are already in there!!!

    Pod X3 allows you to store all the preset parameters of the Variax. For example, I removed the sitar emulation from variax that virtually not use and I put it in a three presets dedicated where I have given various settings for configuration pk, volume, tone. The solution is convenient because you can rebuild all  specific sounds you want, build the whole chain from the guitar, amp, effects, chest microphones. So you can build your sound at will. Exploiting the effects and equalizers I was able to create a sound like an Oud very credible and good resonances, although this is not in the Variax. This is possible with the combination of X3 Live. Combinations that increase possibiliy of sound not feel the lack of other guitars that I can easily rebuild as playing with equalizers and sound effects.

  • phellouin Just Startin' 126 posts since
    Aug 9, 2007
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    7. Aug 6, 2010 12:53 PM (in response to acerboni)
    Re: Want more models?  They are already in there!!!

    A Oud ?

     

    Well that's really impressive.

    Could you share your setup ?

     

    Thx

  • Iknowathingortwo 1,667 posts since
    Jul 17, 2007

    Hi Crusty - wow, you're back with a vengeance...in a good way!!  I hope no one thinks we're married or anything, but I like your postings.  LOL

     

    I think you've explained the TRUE value of Workbench better than anything I've read.  Although I am really looking forward to the JTV model 59 I've asked for, I like yourself, know just how much is really possible with the Variax current models if those who have these also took the time to get Workbench and really delve beyond the obvious.

     

    Perhaps the main reason is that most musicians of any age or instrument really don't bother to spend the time learning how what they are playing works from the inside.  With traditional guitars, it's not such a big deal, but with the technology revolving around the Variax, even just trying weird or strange "looking" things with the pick-ups and everything else you've mentioned.  Most likely a fair amount of those who currently may not be happy with the Variax would change their mind?

     

    If there is anything I can help with or possibly add to this very complete posting, please let me know.  Or perhaps I might be able to add how to intgrate the Variax/Workbench combination with the Vetta?  This is my live rig and the specific gear I'm best equipped to discuss.

     

    Take care,

    Neal

  • mshore Just Startin' 4 posts since
    Sep 20, 2007

    Will the JVT have the same guitar models as the older Variaxes? It would be nice to see ukelele, mandolin, and some other exotic stringed instruments added to the library.

  • toasterdude Just Startin' 745 posts since
    Oct 23, 2006

    Crusty_Old_Rocker wrote:

     

    It's great to see that others are taking advantage of what Workbench offers the Variax player.

     

    One of the real exciting things that the JTV could offer will be combining the magneting pickup output with the modelling output.  People have wanted the ability to mix acoustic and electric tones together since the Variax first came out.  Soon that dream will come true for those wanting that ability.

     

    Cheers,

     

    Crusty

    I agree that that is the most exciting new feature. Unfortunately it will be somewhat limited for non Vetta /POD guys as for now the only "elegant" way to get both tones out of the guitar is through VDI.

     

    That means if you use non VDI amps etc. . . .you are out of luck for now. If you use wireless also out of luck. Wireless VDI breakout box would bring this goodness to more people. A wired VDI breakout would also be cool but since they added wireless midi to Vetta at the request of pro players I can see the same request being made again. Once people see how cool it is having 2 guitar sounds at once. . . . . . they will want to use it with their current rig. . . .and for many touring pros that means wireless.

     

    Message was edited by: toasterdude

  • gitarzan53 Just Startin' 203 posts since
    Apr 28, 2006

    I'm with you. With workbench, you're free to put whatever guitar you can come up with in any position on the dial and pickup selector position you want. As far as models, the only one not included that I really miss is a nylon string model. It's really the only type of guitar that's missing from all the choices when you think about it, other than more exotic choices like 7 string models and such (even those can be mimicked) .

  • meistsf Just Startin' 26 posts since
    Feb 6, 2007

    The model I would like the recipe for is a nylon string acoustic.  I heard this fellow in Nashville at the White Horse do a very believable Willy Nelson sound on his Vax 700. I saw him out on the street the next day but wasn't able to get to him fast enough to tell me how he made that patch, then wondered if the 700 had more capability than my 600.  My JTVax is on order, wonder if there is more tweaking on the acoustic models than in the past...

     

    Anyway, does anybody out there have a good nylon recipe other than rolling the tone knob back?  Care to share?

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