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ethyl80 Just Startin' 150 posts since
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Oct 6, 2010 5:31 PM

Dry Signal Recording Question

Perhaps you Betas can verify my assumption:

 

If I set-up the FX Loop to send at the very start of the chain, sending the dry signal out at 100%, set the mix to 0%, then I can plug into my UX2's regular guitar input and be able to record a "dry" signal and still be able to hear the processed guitar signal, correct?

  • silverhead Expert Line 6 User 9,592 posts since
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    Oct 6, 2010 6:21 PM (in response to ethyl80)
    Re: Dry Signal Recording Question

    Interesting idea, and it should work, I think, with a restriction on the HD400. You don't mention which POD HD you're talking about, but it's either the HD400 or 500 since the 300 has no FX Loop.

     

    I'm not at my HD400 right now (and I don't have a UX2 to test with)  but I have access to the POD HD manuals. Note the following descriptions in the POD HD400 manual:

    FX Loop: Pre - Positions the FX Loop before the Amp model (and between FX1 and FX2, if these FX are also set “Pre”).

    VOL: Pre - Positions the Volume effect before the Amp model (and before all other “Pre” designated FX) within the signal flow.

    So in this case you would not be able to use FX1 in Pre-position, else your signal is no longer dry. And it seems the VOL is positioned before the loop as well - I'm not sure what that might mean.

     

    The POD HD500 has full flexibility with the positioning of the FX Loop (as one of the eight FX blocks) so that should work fine.

     

    I presume you're taking the lead from the FX Send to the UX2 input? I'm not sure whether or not you will have to plug a dummy lead into the FX Return jack to complete the 'circuit'; otherwise the POD HD might ignore the Send since there's no Return.

     

     

    (Of course, even if this works well enough on the HD500 it's still consuming an FX block and requiring an external audio/DAW interface. I would much prefer the dry record send over usb/ASIO)

     

    EDIT:  Just had an afterthought.........you need to be monitoring the wet signal using the POD HD, but the UX2 is your DAW's audio device while recording the dry signal. Presuming you will also want to monitor backing tracks, you might need to figure out how you will do this. DAWs and audio devices generally have restrictions about multiple connections and routing signals.

      • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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        Oct 7, 2010 5:17 AM (in response to ethyl80)
        Re: Dry Signal Recording Question

        I like your idea of grabbing a dry off the loop...nice workaround bro...In terms of one device for input and the other for output, I am certain that would not work on my Windows XP Pro based DAW (EMU) as I can only have one ASIO device at a time...But Macs are generally a bit different...maybe I guess...

  • Brion_Kean Just Startin' 391 posts since
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    Oct 7, 2010 7:22 AM (in response to ethyl80)
    SPDIF can send "Dry" signal

    according to the PODHD500 manual:

     

    S/PDIF Output (Knob 1): Selects the type of output mode signal fed to the S/PDIF OUT:

    - Match Outputs (uses the same output setting as configured on the Page 4 Setup:Outputs screen - see page 2•7)

    - or Dry Input (your Source Input signal with no Amp, Cab, Mic, “E.R.” or FX processing applied)."

    • Brion_Kean Just Startin' 391 posts since
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      Oct 7, 2010 7:23 AM (in response to Brion_Kean)
      Re: SPDIF can send "Dry" signal

      I don't know if this goes for the HD series or not, but I am able to use the SPDIF out from my X3L into the soundcards SPDIF input, while also bringing the analog in from the POD to my soundcard.. Not ideal, in terms of using the USB and SPDIF at the same time.. But, a way to get digital dry.

      • guitars69 Iknowathingortwo 419 posts since
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        Oct 7, 2010 9:33 AM (in response to Brion_Kean)
        Re: SPDIF can send "Dry" signal

        Using the fx loop, SPDIF, or even a DI box will require that you can also record your effected track through the same device.

         

        In other words, if you want to record dry and effected tracks simultaneously, you won't be able to use the USB output unless you can use ASIO4ALL or something that can combine audio drivers.

         

        I hope they add it to USB.  Otherwise, my UX8 will do well for me and if you have at least 2 inputs on your sound card or an additional SPDIF you should be able to accomplish this still.

    • bernu Just Startin' 4 posts since
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      Oct 12, 2010 1:35 PM (in response to Brion_Kean)
      Re: SPDIF can send "Dry" signal

      I can't get a dry out put from the spdif. I only get the processed sound... Is this a bug or have they just forgot to remove the option in the menus?

       

      //Björn

  • Line6Hugo Line 6 6,580 posts since
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    Oct 11, 2010 3:04 PM (in response to ethyl80)
    RE: Dry Signal Recording Question

    All of the suggestions above are great and should work for you.

       

      You CAN record a mono Processed signal and a mono DRY signal via USB with the POD HD500 using record sends 1/2.

       

      you will need to setup a dual amp preset with the first signal chain having all effects and amp model and the second chain with no effects and amp model disabled.  Make sure to pan the processed signal chain hard left and the second signal chain hard right.

       

      In this configuration, when using the POD HD500 as your recording interface, Record send 1 is a processed mono signal, and Record send 2 is a dry signal.  Just create a mono track for each, and you sould be able to monitor the processed signal while recording the dry signal.

       

      Regards,

       

      Line6Hugo

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