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Currently Being ModeratedRe: MerlinFL's (aka Neal) Forum for all things JTV, POD HD500, & DT50
MerlinFL wrote:
Hi all - I certainly do not mind if a topic goes off course or becomes something totally unrelated to the title of the thread things get posted under, but could the next posting have something to do with the gear outlined in the heading I created as single source for the gear people were having much trouble finding out about at the time I created this?
I personally have not posted much of anything on any threads lately since I've got nothing new to say. I've done my homework, put in dozens and dozens of hours trying to figure out how to get the POD HD500 to work properly, then work properly with the DT50 amps. Now after all that I've developed my own method of working with my Vetta (still the best amp ever made by Line 6 in my opinion) as well as the new gear as one rig. I have my "pyramid" of amps with both the POD HD500 pedalboard next to the FBV Longboard used with the Vetta.
All put together it doesn't take up any more room than a typical 4x12 Marshall cabinet does. I even designed and built (not such a big deal really) a stackable rack for my two pedalboard. I have the FBV longboard on the floor and the POD HD500 board on a simple chopped up keyboard rack to sit directly above the other board to take up a little floor space as possible.
Take care,
Neal
Neal, I know you said before that you had figured out how to make the new Variax work with the Vetta. I finally have my JTV-59 now and I love it. I have been playing it using the VDI cable into my Vetta II for power but I've been having so much fun just playing it that I haven't even tested it's communication with the amp. Is there something I should know before I do that?
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jenningsmusic wrote:
I finally have my JTV-59 now and I love it. I have been playing it using the VDI cable into my Vetta II for power but I've been having so much fun just playing it that I haven't even tested it's communication with the amp. Is there something I should know before I do that?
I can not personally confirm this as I have not yet received my JTV but reports say JTV with Vetta works fine if you follow the directions found in this thread:
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johnnyayyy wrote:
I can not personally confirm this as I have not yet received my JTV but reports say JTV with Vetta works fine if you follow the directions found in this thread:jenningsmusic wrote:
I finally have my JTV-59 now and I love it. I have been playing it using the VDI cable into my Vetta II for power but I've been having so much fun just playing it that I haven't even tested it's communication with the amp. Is there something I should know before I do that?
That link didn't work for me. Can you tell me how to find that thread?
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jenningsmusic wrote:
johnnyayyy wrote:
I can not personally confirm this as I have not yet received my JTV but reports say JTV with Vetta works fine if you follow the directions found in this thread:jenningsmusic wrote:
I finally have my JTV-59 now and I love it. I have been playing it using the VDI cable into my Vetta II for power but I've been having so much fun just playing it that I haven't even tested it's communication with the amp. Is there something I should know before I do that?
That link didn't work for me. Can you tell me how to find that thread?
I found it by Googling the terms JTV and Vetta, one of the top results was a thread Neal started called "Vetta + JTV = FRUSTRATION... Not what we were promised".
The last post in that thread had the link to the thread detailing the proper setup for getting JTV+Vetta to work
I corrected the link in my post above, I copied it from the wrong place the first time but it should work now: http://line6.com/community/thread/58557?tstart=0
Also, there is some important info on connecting JTV to Workbench in that thread.
Hopefully Neal will post here and let us know if he was ever able to get his JTV working properly with his Vetta by following the directions in that thread.
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Well I thought I'd post here since folks visiting it are collecting these pieces or most of these pieces of gear.
I finally have what I set out a year ago to get ... all the new L6 flagship gear JTV69, Hd500 and dt50
I really do like my hd500 and dt50, really feels like i have a room full of amps / effects to choose from sounds good
and records well. Nuff said
I have had the JTV for less than a week, so far I am debating whether it is for me. The models are decent I'll admit, but
to me to really hear a difference in the tones you have to play fairly clean. If you play mildly to moderately distorted there
is only some audible eq'd differences to me. I do like the 69s body, neck and mag pickups, the pickups are a bit hotter then
my strat copy and it stays in tune a bit better as well. However considering my strat copy new went for $450 and I bought it on
clearance for $175 it should be a bit better. Anyhow I think the bottom line is that I thought I would hear more differences between the
models regardless of amp/gain being used. If you want your own signature type sound you don't really need all the extra models. In reality
using the hd500 I feel like one guitar, specifically I normally use my chambered LP, has tons of extra tones because you have the
variety of amps to choose from and changing the cabs and mic's alters the sound even more. Using a mild to moderate gain on my LP
I can pretty much get close to any sound coming from the JTV's models that use humbuckers with the one guitar I have. The "magic"
seems to be when playing clean to dirty clean that you really tell the difference in the models. I was pretty impressed with the acoustic 1
model through a PA, with the patch I had set up it really sounded close to a cleanly strummed acoustic. However you couldnt do hand slaps
or get the percusive tones as on a actual acoustic. Some of the models had some odd harmonics when I went for the high gain. The main reason
I bought it was alternate tunings and I have always wanted a gretch and p90 guitars. Anyway the verdict is still out. I have a couple weeks before
truly deciding, but I played it and compared it to my main guitars here and was digging my guitars over the models, it was close but ..there it is.
So true you could take one guitar to the gig/jam whatever. but i guess the decision is for a hobbiest/song writier/recording originals, jams, gigging
about 1-2x a month. Is it worth the money to keep it if I am digging the real guitars more.
Like I said the verdict is still out, I may yet get the "ahaa" moment that I am looking for. Truthfully I am posting this here so that someone might
impart some wise words of direction that might lead me to this glorious moment where I am in love with the instrument. Hope so.
JB
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I've been reading your musings on the JTV since you first got it and I think you had unrealistic expectations about it. Ever since then you've been stating the obvious, such as "If you play mildly to moderately distorted there is only some audible eq'd differences to me" and "If you want your own signature type sound you don't really need all the extra models".
The Variax models other guitars and does it extremely well. You are hearing almost exactly what you would hear if you played the actual guitars through your distorted amp. We all know that distortion tends to mask the true sound of the pickup -- and I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I've seen guys play Teles, Strats, Epiphones, Ibanezes and Gibsons through a high gain amp and guess what -- you can barely tell the difference in the guitar. The main sound is coming from the electronics of the amp. Think of distortion as a leveling force, an equalizer of sorts.
Variaxes are perfect for those of us who play in cover bands. In one of my bands I need a clean Tele sound, a slightly distorted Strat position 2 sound, a clean acoustic, an overdriven Les Paul, and a clean 12-string Rickenbacker sound -- all in just a few songs! In my other band I also play covers but they are "heavier" songs and I rarely stray from a Les Paul/Marshall sound. If this was my only band I would be hard pressed to justify needing a Variax at all, but in the first band I can't possibly live without it.
If you want my advice it would be to experiment with the non-humbucker models through the different amps available in your HD500. Listen carefully to the artists you like, and many others as well, and you'll start to notice that they use widely varying degrees of distortion and sometimes none at all. Sometimes you can get a fatter lead sound with a Strat neck pickup, a slight bit of distortion and lots of reverb than with a Les Paul through a Triple Rectifier. I've been using this "trick" lately and even the guys in the heavier band have commented on how much fuller my solos sound. Try to analyze what guys like Ritchie Blackmore, Stevie Ray and Eric Johnson have done with single coil pickups and the judicious use of just a little distortion and reverb. If you still decide to return your JTV then so be it -- you would be in the majority of guitarists who don't need one. But if you branch out a little you might find that it's one of the greatest tools you could ever own.
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Hey variaxlover, perfect name to help me find something new to help me decide to keep it!
the quote "If you want your own signature type sound you don't really need all the extra models". Was meant to mean that if you are not doing a wide variety of covers and want your own sound then variax is probably not for you (me). I probably did have unrealistic expectations regarding the guitar, I did expect a wider range of guitar tones from each individual amp. Like I said I am not shipping it back tomorrow, I'll continue to try it out. I played a few hours today ranging from clean (was some way to trebly notes to my ears) to mid level gain, I do not play heavy metal or hard rock I play bluesy rock type of stuff. Like I have been saying I am not attempting to nock the instrument, just trying to see if it is right for me.
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Sure, I think we're on the same page, and I'm glad to hear you've tried some clean amp sounds to use for evaluating the JTV. I really think that if you're a blues player you could get a lot of use from it -- after all, you see blues guys playing mostly Strats, but also Teles, Les Pauls, ES-335s, P90 guitars, Firebirds and a few others. You could be the guy that could emulate ALL those guitars instead of just picking one guitar with only a few tones available, like most of them do.
~ Keep rockin' ~
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I posted this as an answer to someone whose Vetta died and then was repaired incorrectly so back to the shop. This person lives somewhere in the UK, but I believe my suggestions to him relate greatly in general and especially since I created this thread to bring ALL possibilities of the new gear as well as some of the older gear I have and can speak about intelligently. Perhaps reading this might give new ideas or help others in whatever situation they perform guitar in?
<body><p>Greetings again.</p><p></p><p>If loud on stage is a positive thing for you - then by all means get the DT50 2x12. I'm American so forgive the measurements in our weight style. The 2x12 amp weighs 86 pounds and although Line 6 put a handle for carrying, it's only a matter of time before that strap or the screws holding it give out due to the weight although I do not think that would happen in a week or two. The other thing is if you have a road case for your Vetta - the DT50 will not fit. It's a fair amount deeper and a minor bit shorter. Just throwing these small bits out there in case they do relate to your situation or planning.</p><p></p><p>The answers to your questions in no specific order are as follows...</p><p></p><p>1) Yes the Vetta IS TRUE STEREO unless you choose to run everything equal on both sides when designing your patches. If you run it with a 4x12 cab like a Marshall 1960A that cab is designed for mono or stereo use and is a perfect match for the Vetta. And the Celestion 75 in that cab give a bit warmer sound than the custom 90s that come with the Vetta for no other reason than those 90s could handle the max power output of the amp although I can't think of one person who ever runs that amp in full power mode plus even come close to pushing the max 300 watts. More people than not do exactly what you mentioned by effectively running the amp in mono or simply doubling the amp amp patch to thicken the basic sound, or as a lead/rhythm type of set up. The Vetta can do so much more than that it's a shame you & I could not spend some time together and take one of my "Advanced master classes on how to get the most from a Vetta". I've been thinking of doing these in a video format for sale, but now with all the new gear coming out, it might be a waste of time. Also solid state power HAS TO BE much greater than tube power because of the RMS rating. Believe me the DT50 2x12 is so much louder in real life than the 50w rating implies.</p><p></p><p>2) The "superior quality" of the POD HD500?? Honestly, that is very subjective. In my position as a long time Line 6 exclusive equipment user for guitar since 2003, and even with the updates to the software relating to the Fender and Vox amps, it still is not nearly as flexible. Others will disagree with me on this point, but that's the world of music isn't it? And yes, I have been using the Variax guitars since 2006 in conjuction with my Vetta I bought new back in 2003. Just those two inventions by Line 6 have changed my guitar playing forever and have given me so much more to choose from playing in several cover bands playing everything from Metal to rock to even country. I stopped having to bring a ton of guitars and huge FX pedal board since these terrific pieces of guitar technology were introduced by Line 6.</p><p></p><p>3) Running two different amps from the POD HD will NOT act the same as the Vetta does. The iLink is designed to DEFAULT to amp 1 when more than one are designed on the POD HD. You can not get any DT amp to emulate more than ONE topology at a time. Since the DT amps LITERALLY rewire themselves to one of four possible topologies, you can't expect the true sound of both a Fender plus a Marshall, or a Marshall and a Mesa to "blend" as they do with the Vetta. You will get ONE topology with one DT50. I suggest you run through each amp and note which amps use the same topologies when creating dual amp front ends on the POD HD. This will be a big help in getting the single amp to respond as if it were two amps.</p><p></p><p>4) Nearly NONE of the amps preprogrammed into the POD HD use the Triode pre-section and/or the Class A output section. Also - the factory patches really are lame. If you are going to try this set up out at a store, please ask them first if you can start with a blank page in the USER section, then also ask them if you can turn the amp up to the volume you intend to play on stage. You will find that the low power setting does not do much in "helping" your sound perform better (my opinion again after much testing), and also the tubes will not start sounding like tubes until you get that volume knob (master and channel) to at least the 12 o'clock position. This WILL BE REALLY REALLY LOUD, but will kick some big time a$$. Can you play on stage at that volume or even set up patches you need at that volume before your next performance?</p><p></p><p>5) - Please keep in mind that you will NOT be able to run some of the FX togther with other FX as they will "EXCEED MEMORY LIMITATIONS". This is the message you'll see if you try to use the Smart-Harmony with the Tri-Phaser for example. These are just other things Vetta owners never had to think about the POD HD users do havew to think about.</p><p></p><p>6) Other options...</p><p> - Get a 1x12 DT50 which is much more manageable volume-wise.</p><p> - If $$ allow, get TWO DT25 that just came out or two DT50s if you really still need all that volume. Payment plan perhaps??</p><p> - Try just using the POD HD direct into the PA for the true sound of both amps being created by you, then do as suggested before - get a simple stereo power amp for any stage cabs you might need or want to have. You can hook up both with putting a single mic in front of anything since the modeled sound coming out the of the POD HD is truly excellent - even if very limited.</p><p> - How about going to POD FARM on an inexpensive laptop that is not running anything else? You CAN get all the features of the Vetta PLUS some of the new features of the POD HD, and you have the choice of running direct to PA, or PA and stage amp/monitor. The other extra pieces of gear you would need is the FBV Shortboard MKII and the appropriate cables to connect the pedalboard to the laptop and your guitar input to the laptop using one of the Toneport interfaces Line 6 offers. If you choose this method, I would strongly suggest getting the top of the line Toneport UX8 because it will come in handy for any live or studio recordings you might wish to do without changing your setup.</p><p></p><p>Yep - not as simple as it seems, but at least I know I've given you all the options, plus all the bits of info Line 6 never tells anyone. Me? I use all of the options I've described as my profile photo shows, and I do use POD FARM & UX8 at home, but have used it on stage when my gear went down.</p><p></p><p>Best of luck</p><p></p><p>Neal</p></body>
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Here is something I replaied to on an other thread on the same topic. Actually there are several threads all talking about XLR cable instead of the CORRECT 3-pin DMX cable. I really wish Line 6 would get this crap corrected ASAP so people stop having problems or even worse damaging their DT amps!!
Re: Don't use Cheap XLR'S for L6 Link
BMoe wrote:
Hey Bartuglise
Found this on youtube, explains the difference between the two cables,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4f7WxnMa0Q
I'm guessing the L6 LINK is a data transfer link, so the DMX is the cable to use
If that is the case, Then why don't Line 6 recommend a data cable, instead of a audio cable.

According to the video, The data cable offers more shielding.And an audio cable is suspect to noise.
I have been using a "good quality" audio cable, but sounds like that's not the "proper cable".
Anyway, will have to look into getting a DMX cable.
My two cents worth.BMoe
Yes BMoe - the DMX cable is a data cable and that is EXACTLY what is being transferred from the POD HD pedalboard to any of the DT series amps. Thanks for finding that YT posting. I've not looked at it, nor do I know who did it - but I'm glad that others know about this situation and are trying their best to let others learn without having an equipment breakdown first.
Why does Line 6 NOT mention this ANYWHERE except when you ask or talk to a tech after having a problem, I do not know, but I have already written to the company a strong suggestion about mentioning this important detail in all of their promo material, owner's manuals, & website. Or perhaps offer a DMX cable as a optional accessory for those who want to have a POD HD & DT amp connected?? Oh yeah - and for all those rack or studio people - using a DMX CABLE to connect the new POD PRO...this is VERY SERIOUS especially since it's most likely studio owners will have the POD PRO in the control room and the amp elsewhere. Usually more than 20 feet away. The longer the cable the MORE IMPORTANT THIS DMX CABLE BECOMES due to the difference in shielding!!! Yes - still nothing in any promo material or manual discussing the iLink requiring a DMX cable and these are brand new products!!
Yes - all iLink users PLEASE go out and buy a DMX cableto give your gear the best chance possible from breaking down due to any problems caused by using an incorrect iLink cable.
Take care,
Neal
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All new POD HD500 & Variax (some are from model 700 and others are from JTV-59 - but they both work with each other fine. Acoustic patches are much better with new JTV guitars.) patches uploaded to CustomTone. Something weird happened previously where all patches were the same. This should no longer be the case.
Many of my favorites creations I've posted from everything from Acoustic guitars to classic clean and heavy electric tones for both 6 and 12-string guitars.
Hope they are useful to any who might check them out. You can also go directly to them by searching under my ID.
Happy Holidays to all!!
Neal
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I wrote this for a newbie to the POD HD500. I think it might be useful for anyone who has or is thinking of getting ANY of the POD HD line of products.
Hi Ledpuppet - Out of the box I would say the HD500 is NOT gig ready. Does it function - certainly unless defective, but I don't think that is what you meant with your questions.
I offer my findings as a long user of Line 6 guitar gear exclusively, well almost as that has changed in the past few months) but I digress. When I first got my HD500, I was very disappointed with the very limited number of amps/cabs compared to my Vetta which has 80 instead of the 16 (now updated to 22). I think the factory presets are mostly unusable by most players. The following is what I recommend you take as your first steps to get to know this product properly...
- Forget about all your other gear except the guitar (or guitars) you plan to use with this unit. Get a GREAT pair of headphones, DO NOT use an amp at low volumes at this stage. This will seem very strange to you perhaps, and perhaps to any others who read this as well, but there are very good reasons I am writing my suggestions to you in this manner and in this step by step fashion. The end result should make everything very clear - I hope.
- be VERY careful with the power supply and how you plug it in, where it sits on stage, and take care to be as gentle as possible with the power connection point as it breaks quite easily. A replacement power supply is about $50.00. and much worse if the jack inside the unit breaks or "falls in". Sure it's all covered by a warranty, but who wants to wait weeks for something as simple as a power supply problem?
- Take the time to find and either print or simply save the expanded HD500 Users Guide online. The manual with the unit is far too basic to be much help.
- While reading through the expanded manual...use the most recent version of Monkey to upgrade the unit to the full 22 amps/cabs with the added features of bias adjustment, etc. AND the POD HD500 EDIT software!! This requires the use of the Line 6 monkey which is FREE if you do not have the most recent version. then connect via the USB cable to your computers HUB directly and follow the updating procedures
- DO NOT even bother with ANY of the banks of presets in the POD HD EDIT software for the time being. I STRONGLY SUGGEST working this way instead of working only on the unit as it will save you lots of time and make many "hidden" inner workings and signal paths of the unit much clearer. Plus the advantage of copy and paste for some sections of repeated programming is useful.
- After all the updating of all the hardware and software is finished, then go to an empty USER BANK and start there with a blank slate. Any patches from any of the presets can be simply dragged in and dropped into any slot you choose and modified if needed. But I would want YOU to get to know which amps are there and what default settings each amp has. Each amp has two versions PRE and FULL. Pre is just that...the PREAMP section of whatever amp you are looking at plus the FX you may choose to add in the signal chain. HOWEVER, if using the unit without any amp you should choose FULL as it will then model whatever cabinets and microphones you desire. Using the headphones automatically puts each amp into this mode. This mode is also adjustable as you will read in the advanced manual. This is an important step BEFORE you plug into the power section of the SpiderValve. Some sounds may sound better for your purpose in PRE and others better in FULL. But that will come later making those choices.
- Without turning the volume up too loud and cause your ears to ring, plug your guitar into the 1/4" input jack. put on the headphones and then sit with your HD500 connected to your computer with POD HD500 EDIT running. As you change amps, you will hear each through the headphones and give you the best possible idea of what amps will do the job you are looking for. Also, please do not let the name alone fool you. Just because it's a Vox/Fender, does not mean it can't be used for heavy metal, or Bogner/Mesa can't be used for warm clean sounds. That is a combination of your guitars volume knob setting and the input gain of each amp. Seriously spend time checking out all the sounds in FULL mode as with headphones on -as I wrote before- the unit will default to FULL anyway.
- One other bit about why headphones...It is so you can hear what the amp SHOULD sound like when turned up to a volume that the amp was designed to actually run at. And you hear much more detail with GREAT headphones this way as well. Truly great headphones will cost about $150.00 - 300.00 and is worth the expense if you are serious about getting the most from this unit.
- LEARN - TRY - ADJUST - TWEAK - REPEAT............this should go on for quite a while until you get to know each and every nuance of each amp model you wish to use.
- Once all that has taken place, then simply run the HD500 into the power amp in or FX return and there you have your SpiderValve as your power amp to the preamp of the HD500. You'll know everything you need to know to choose PRE or FULL for each patch you intend to create if you've taken my instructions seriously up to this point.
- Last thing before playing out - turn your amp up to the stage volume you usually perform at and then make any final tweaks or adjustments to the HD500.
- If you wish to cut some corners, there are TONS of worthwhile patches @ CustomTone.com located from this website.
- If after all this you still wish to use the SpiderValve amp models and just use the HD500 as an FX pedal, that is obviously your choice. no matter what I've written, it always comes down to what is best for the player using their gear to get the best performances possible. You might find that you don't need the amp models on the SpiderValve which would give you much more flexibility in WHERE you place your FX in the signal chain. Using the SV amp, you are limited to all your FX being in front of the power section unless we get into the "FOUR CABLE METHOD" and I'll leave that method for others who use it and like it.
I hope this helps you and anyone else who might read this small booklet of one persons findings on how best to work with the HD500.
Take care,
Neal
PS - you can always use your current FX pedals inside the FX loop of the HD500 which also gives you options on where to place those FX in the signal chain. Dual amp sounds are best in my opinion as you create TWO independent signal paths that will both end up in front of your SV power section. In other words, you can have FX in one path that are different or the same as ones in the other signal path. And each amp can be completely different from each other for switching back and forth or combining for wider sonic possiblities.
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Great job Neal. I got so frustrated getting decent sounds when I first got my HD500 I actually sold it! Part of the problem was the early firmware, terrible presets and since the unit was brand new there was not a lot of useful info available.
I bought another one recently and DT25. Life is better mainly because I did some of the things you recommend here.
Great advice, Happy Holiday!
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Glad you like whatever I've done.
I've just finished uploading many HD500 patches as well as JTV Variax patches. Apparently these original uploads were corrupted somehow. That has been corrected and I hope those patches help other POD HD and JTV people get to know their gear better and what it is capable of with some time, experimentation, and patience.
Happy holidays!!
Neal
PS - you can find all my uploads by just searching under my user ID in CustomTone.
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I also bought an HD500 earlier this year and returned it, for several reasons. The reason that remains most present in my mind, and the reason I will not buy another HD500 is that it was a hideous monster. Much, much too big and obnoxious, and the placement of knobs where they could block the screen from view was ridiculous.
I might get one of the Pod versions one day, but right now I am more than happy with my VOX ToneLab, which sounds terrific, and comes in a small and elegant size... perfect for the studio.
Getting a DT25 is definitely something I will consider in future. It seems like a really great idea and a useful thing to have. Line 6 continues to have great ideas and creates some cutting edge technologies, but I do wish Line 6 would change their name and/or logo. That amplifier needs a beautiful script logo. Seriously, I think they've reached the point where they want to avoid alerting people to the brand. That Line 6 logo, so big on the front of the amplifier, is not appealing to me. It looks great, otherwise. I think they should instead name the product with a word, something more than DT25, and write the name a nice vintage script so that it looks like a beautiful vintage amp. The "Line 6" part of it should be the small print.
That may not be a popular opinion with Line 6, but I'll bet I'm not the only one who feels that way. I would actually be a little embarrassed to be seen using that amp as it is... which is kind of a shame, because I believe it is a very interesting and innovative product.
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