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  • jenningsmusic Just Startin' 136 posts since
    Jul 14, 2009

    MerlinFL wrote:

     

    Hi all - I certainly do not mind if a topic goes off course or becomes something totally unrelated to the title of the thread things get posted under, but could the next posting have something to do with the gear outlined in the heading I created as single source for the gear people were having much trouble finding out about at the time I created this?

     

    I personally have not posted much of anything on any threads lately since I've got nothing new to say.  I've done my homework, put in dozens and dozens of hours trying to figure out how to get the POD HD500 to work properly, then work properly with the DT50 amps.  Now after all that I've developed my own method of working with my Vetta (still the best amp ever made by Line 6 in my opinion) as well as the new gear as one rig.  I have my "pyramid" of amps with both the POD HD500 pedalboard next to the FBV Longboard used with the Vetta.

     

    All put together it doesn't take up any more room than a typical 4x12 Marshall cabinet does.  I even designed and built (not such a big deal really) a stackable rack for my two pedalboard.  I have the FBV longboard on the floor and the POD HD500 board on a simple chopped up keyboard rack to sit directly above the other board to take up a little floor space as possible.

     

    Take care,

    Neal

     

     

     

     

    Neal, I know you said before that you had figured out how to make the new Variax work with the Vetta. I finally have my JTV-59 now and I love it. I have been playing it using the VDI cable into my Vetta II for power but I've been having so much fun just playing it that I haven't even tested it's communication with the amp. Is there something I should know before I do that?

  • johnnyayyy Iknowathingortwo 1,170 posts since
    Feb 24, 2010

    jenningsmusic wrote:

     

     

    I finally have my JTV-59 now and I love it. I have been playing it using the VDI cable into my Vetta II for power but I've been having so much fun just playing it that I haven't even tested it's communication with the amp. Is there something I should know before I do that?

    I can not personally confirm this as I have not yet received my JTV but reports say JTV with Vetta works fine if you follow the directions found in this thread:

     

    http://line6.com/community/thread/58557?tstart=0

  • jenningsmusic Just Startin' 136 posts since
    Jul 14, 2009

    johnnyayyy wrote:

     

     

    jenningsmusic wrote:

     

     

    I finally have my JTV-59 now and I love it. I have been playing it using the VDI cable into my Vetta II for power but I've been having so much fun just playing it that I haven't even tested it's communication with the amp. Is there something I should know before I do that?

    I can not personally confirm this as I have not yet received my JTV but reports say JTV with Vetta works fine if you follow the directions found in this thread:

     

     

    http://line6.com/community/thread/58557?tstart=0

     

     

    That link didn't work for me. Can you tell me how to find that thread?

  • johnnyayyy Iknowathingortwo 1,170 posts since
    Feb 24, 2010

    jenningsmusic wrote:

     

    johnnyayyy wrote:

     

     

    jenningsmusic wrote:

     

     

    I finally have my JTV-59 now and I love it. I have been playing it using the VDI cable into my Vetta II for power but I've been having so much fun just playing it that I haven't even tested it's communication with the amp. Is there something I should know before I do that?

    I can not personally confirm this as I have not yet received my JTV but reports say JTV with Vetta works fine if you follow the directions found in this thread:

     

     

    http://line6.com/community/thread/58557?tstart=0

     

     

    That link didn't work for me. Can you tell me how to find that thread?

    I found it by Googling the terms JTV and Vetta, one of the top results was a thread Neal started called "Vetta + JTV = FRUSTRATION... Not what we were promised".

     

    The last post in that thread had the link to the thread detailing the proper setup for getting JTV+Vetta to work

     

    I corrected the link in my post above, I copied it from the wrong place the first time but it should work now: http://line6.com/community/thread/58557?tstart=0

     

    Also, there is some important info on connecting JTV to Workbench in that thread.

     

    Hopefully Neal will post here and let us know if he was ever able to get his JTV working properly with his Vetta by following the directions in that thread.

  • JB1973 Just Startin' 604 posts since
    Apr 19, 2008

    Well I thought I'd post here since folks visiting it are collecting these pieces or most of these pieces of gear.

     

    I finally have what I set out a year ago to get ... all the new L6 flagship gear JTV69, Hd500 and dt50

     

    I really do like my hd500 and dt50, really feels like i have a room full of amps / effects to choose from sounds good

    and records well. Nuff said

     

    I have had the JTV for less than a week, so far I am debating whether it is for me. The models are decent I'll admit, but

    to me to really hear a difference in the tones you have to play fairly clean. If you play mildly to moderately distorted there

    is only some audible eq'd differences to me. I do like the 69s body, neck and mag pickups, the pickups are a bit hotter then

    my strat copy and it stays in tune a bit better as well. However considering my strat copy new went for $450 and I bought it on

    clearance for $175 it should be a bit better. Anyhow I think the bottom line is that I thought I would hear more differences between the

    models regardless of amp/gain being used. If you want your own signature type sound you don't really need all the extra models. In reality

    using the hd500 I feel like one guitar, specifically I normally use my chambered LP, has tons of extra tones because you have the

    variety of amps to choose from and changing the cabs and mic's alters the sound even more. Using a mild to moderate gain on my LP

    I can pretty much get close to any sound coming from the JTV's models that use humbuckers with the one guitar I have. The "magic"

    seems to be when playing clean to dirty clean that you really tell the difference in the models. I was pretty impressed with the acoustic 1

    model through a PA, with the patch I had set up it really sounded close to a cleanly strummed acoustic. However you couldnt do hand slaps

    or get the percusive tones as on a actual acoustic. Some of the models had some odd harmonics when I went for the high gain. The main reason

    I bought it was alternate tunings and I have always wanted a gretch and p90 guitars. Anyway the verdict is still out. I have a couple weeks before

    truly deciding, but I played it and compared it to my main guitars here and was digging my guitars over the models, it was close but ..there it is.

    So true you could take one guitar to the gig/jam whatever. but i guess the decision is for a hobbiest/song writier/recording originals, jams, gigging

    about 1-2x a month. Is it worth the money to keep it if I am digging the real guitars more.

     

    Like I said the verdict is still out, I may yet get the "ahaa" moment that I am looking for. Truthfully I am posting this here so that someone might

    impart some wise words of direction that might lead me to this glorious moment where I am in love with the instrument. Hope so.

     

    JB

  • variaxlover Just Startin' 323 posts since
    May 19, 2007

    I've been reading your musings on the JTV since you first got it and I think you had unrealistic expectations about it.  Ever since then you've been stating the obvious, such as "If you play mildly to moderately distorted there is only some audible eq'd differences to me" and "If you want your own signature type sound you don't really need all the extra models".

     

    The Variax models other guitars and does it extremely well.  You are hearing almost exactly what you would hear if you played the actual guitars through your distorted amp.  We all know that distortion tends to mask the true sound of the pickup -- and I'm not saying that's a bad thing.  I've seen guys play Teles, Strats, Epiphones, Ibanezes and Gibsons through a high gain amp and guess what -- you can barely tell the difference in the guitar.  The main sound is coming from the electronics of the amp.  Think of distortion as a leveling force, an equalizer of sorts. 

     

    Variaxes are perfect for those of us who play in cover bands.  In one of my bands I need a clean Tele sound, a slightly distorted Strat position 2 sound, a clean acoustic, an overdriven Les Paul, and a clean 12-string Rickenbacker sound -- all in just a few songs!  In my other band I also play covers but they are "heavier" songs and I rarely stray from a Les Paul/Marshall sound.  If this was my only band I would be hard pressed to justify needing a Variax at all, but in the first band I can't possibly live without it.

     

    If you want my advice it would be to experiment with the non-humbucker models through the different amps available in your HD500.  Listen carefully to the artists you like, and many others as well, and you'll start to notice that they use widely varying degrees of distortion and sometimes none at all.  Sometimes you can get a fatter lead sound with a Strat neck pickup, a slight bit of distortion and lots of reverb than with a Les Paul through a Triple Rectifier.  I've been using this "trick" lately and even the guys in the heavier band have commented on how much fuller my solos sound.  Try to analyze what guys like Ritchie Blackmore, Stevie Ray and Eric Johnson have done with single coil pickups and the judicious use of just a little distortion and reverb.  If you still decide to return your JTV then so be it -- you would be in the majority of guitarists who don't need one.  But if you branch out a little you might find that it's one of the greatest tools you could ever own.

  • JB1973 Just Startin' 604 posts since
    Apr 19, 2008

    Hey variaxlover, perfect name to help me find something new to help me decide to keep it!

    the quote "If you want your own signature type sound you don't really need all the extra models". Was meant to mean that if you are not doing a wide variety of covers and want your own sound then variax is probably not for you (me). I probably did have unrealistic expectations regarding the guitar, I did expect a wider range of guitar tones from each individual amp. Like I said I am not shipping it back tomorrow, I'll continue to try it out. I played a few hours today ranging from clean (was some way to trebly notes to my ears) to mid level gain, I do not play heavy metal or hard rock I play bluesy rock type of stuff. Like I have been saying I am not attempting to nock the instrument, just trying to see if it is right for me.

  • variaxlover Just Startin' 323 posts since
    May 19, 2007

    Sure, I think we're on the same page, and I'm glad to hear you've tried some clean amp sounds to use for evaluating the JTV.  I really think that if you're a blues player you could get a lot of use from it -- after all, you see blues guys playing mostly Strats, but also Teles, Les Pauls, ES-335s, P90 guitars, Firebirds and a few others.  You could be the guy that could emulate ALL those guitars instead of just picking one guitar with only a few tones available, like most of them do. 

     

    ~ Keep rockin' ~

  • digiprod Just Startin' 616 posts since
    Jun 9, 2007

    Great job Neal. I got so frustrated getting decent sounds when I first got my HD500 I actually sold it! Part of the problem was the early firmware, terrible presets and since the unit was brand new there was not a lot of useful info available.

     

    I bought another one recently and DT25. Life is better mainly because I did some of the things you recommend here.

     

    Great advice, Happy Holiday!

  • zeddd Just Startin' 385 posts since
    May 12, 2006

    I also bought an HD500 earlier this year and returned it, for several reasons. The reason that remains most present in my mind, and the reason I will not buy another HD500 is that it was a hideous monster. Much, much too big and obnoxious, and the placement of knobs where they could block the screen from view was ridiculous.

     

    I might get one of the Pod versions one day, but right now I am more than happy with my VOX ToneLab, which sounds terrific, and comes in a small and elegant size... perfect for the studio.

     

    Getting a DT25 is definitely something I will consider in future. It seems like a really great idea and a useful thing to have. Line 6 continues to have great ideas and creates some cutting edge technologies, but I do wish Line 6 would change their name and/or logo. That amplifier needs a beautiful script logo. Seriously, I think they've reached the point where they want to avoid alerting people to the brand. That Line 6 logo, so big on the front of the amplifier, is not appealing to me. It looks great, otherwise. I think they should instead name the product with a word, something more than DT25, and write the name a nice vintage script so that it looks like a beautiful vintage amp. The "Line 6" part of it should be the small print.

     

    That may not be a popular opinion with Line 6, but I'll bet I'm not the only one who feels that way. I would actually be a little embarrassed to be seen using that amp as it is... which is kind of a shame, because I believe it is a very interesting and innovative product.

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