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Need some soldering assistance on a 300

Hi Guys

G Peizo has decided to go bad on me . This weeked i am going to resolder it just to see if it is a bad join, if it does not work i will be getting some graphtechs.

What i need to ask is, where to i need to resolder?

I have attached a pic as i believe this is the bit that is likely to have the bad join, i will be doing the following

1. Remove the strings

2. Unscrew the 5 screws holding the bridge down

3. Removing the bridge (still connected i guess

4. Look at the underside to hopefully see that the G join is a dfferent colour (dim)

5. If different i hope to add some more solder to the existing join (not too sure if i need to remove existing solder first)

Does this sound about right? on the pic i guess i am soldering at the top where it has the High E, B etc

Hopefully this is correct

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Mar 2, 2011 2:16 PM (in response to LeeWalker)
Re: Need some soldiering assistance ...(8>*}... OK!

http://www.sofmag.com/

Here's a link!

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  Mar 3, 2011 1:02 AM (in response to JellyWheat)
  Re: Need some soldiering assistance ...(8>*}... OK!
  
  Ha ha nice one lol
  
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    Mar 3, 2011 3:14 AM (in response to LeeWalker)
    Re: Need some soldiering assistance ...(8>*}... OK!
    
    Well, at least it generated a bit of action and kept the post from sinking... Not much danger of that, it seems, since the Great Blackout of 2011! Looks like most of our resident soldering experts (and we are blessed with a number of them) have fled to the hills.
    
    You might want to search for posts by amx05462 on installing GraphTech pickups, or on post titles like "G-string pickup don't work"..
    
    Good luck.
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      Mar 3, 2011 4:37 AM (in response to JellyWheat)
      Re: Need some soldiering assistance ...(8>*}... OK!
      
      I will have a look, i am sure it is the right bit, just wanted confirmation but i will check
      
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        Mar 3, 2011 4:50 AM (in response to LeeWalker)
        Re: ₪X>¤}.... phew! I have just returned from the mountaintop where...
        
        ... The Great All-Knowing One and Keeper of the Black and Red Pearls has revealed to us mortals this Wondersome Mystery:
        
        WM #13,241(b): "just tell him to look at it   if its dull it could be a bad solder joint . wouldnt hurt to reheat it and add a tiny bit of solder. ive seen that before    and had a few people do this and it fixed   the problem. if that dont fix it then    he should do the   contact cleaner bit   if that dont work then its new pickup time."
        
        Thus has he spoken....
        
        Hope this helps.
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        [Excuse me while I wash off these chicken entrails. Why the Great One can't just Google it, I'm not sure!]
        
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        Mar 3, 2011 8:44 AM (in response to JellyWheat)
        Re: ₪X>¤}.... phew! I have just returned from the mountaintop where...
        
        OK taken the plunge
        
        Bridge off, disconnected clip and just re-soldered the 6 bits. The G didnt look dull though. I think that what i will do is give it a good spray with contact cleaner before i re-attach
        
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        Mar 3, 2011 11:16 AM (in response to LeeWalker)
        Re: ₪8>*}.... o-o-o-o-o-h!
        
        [drum roll...]
        
        WHOOOOOOSH!
        
        [...APPLAUSE!!!]
        
        J/W
        
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        Mar 5, 2011 5:29 AM (in response to JellyWheat)
        Re: ₪8>*}.... o-o-o-o-o-h!
        
        lee
        
        spray the pickup itself.   spray around it also
        
        thats an old guitar . the pickups   sit in the saddles. there grounded by contact with the saddle. if this contact breaks or is weakened by corrosion    dirt    or just the natural oils of your skin you have a weak grounding condition affecting the circut.
        
        if spraying the pickup doesnt bring it back temporarily then you might want to consider graphtechs.
        
        there is another porblem withthis   setup .   when changing strings    theres a potential to pullone of the pickup wires loose or out . if this is the case theres no fixing it you have to replace the pickup. one more thing to check . be sure the other end of the   pickup connecting wire is properly seated.
        
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        Mar 7, 2011 1:36 AM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ₪8>*}.... o-o-o-o-o-h!
        
        OK I did the soldering and gave it a good spray, put stringos back on and ........ same as before grrrrrr
        
        Not too sure what i can do now to be honest, looks like a graphtech is the only thing that i can do now
        
        I am thinking about getting it back to Line6, does anyone have any experience of getting these things replaced? I called them ages ago and they said that they would replace the pick up for me at a cost (i think it was about £30 or something) but i am not sure whether they would replace them all or just the broken one. If they just do the one then i guess it would be a false economy because knowing my luck they will all start to go.
        
        Also, my soldering skills arent the greatest, is there a way of testing the connection without restringing and putting it all back together again or is that just the way it is?
        
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        Mar 7, 2011 2:24 AM (in response to LeeWalker)
        Re: ₪8>*}.... o-o-o-o-o-h!
        
        well when i solder in pickups on any guitar   i just tap them   if i go from one to the other and there all the same level of sound when i tap then   then im good to go . this applys to your guitar as well. id suggest you practice up on your soldering skills a bit then go for the graphtechs.
        
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        Mar 7, 2011 2:33 AM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ₪8>*}.... o-o-o-o-o-h!
        
        Cheers
        
        Do you have a link to the pic of where the wires go from the saddles to the pcb? i have been looking and cant seem to find them, i thought that they were on vettaville somewhere but i cannot for the life of me find them now.
        
        One more question though, on the 300, if i was to change to graphtechs, is all of the work done on the bridge?
        
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        Mar 7, 2011 2:38 AM (in response to LeeWalker)
        Re: ₪8>*}.... o-o-o-o-o-h!
        
        yes to the bridge question.   as to the pic   ill check for you tonight im getting ready to hit the road to work. when i get back in     ill check on my   other hard drive.
        
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        Mar 7, 2011 2:42 AM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ₪8>*}.... o-o-o-o-o-h!
        
        Cheers dude
        
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        Mar 7, 2011 3:04 AM (in response to LeeWalker)
        Re: ₪8>*}.... Just a suggestion:
        
        You may want to start a new thread and MARK IT AS A QUESTION so that you can award amx some points in recognition of his help.
        
        [I look on points sort of like "service awards" or "citizenship awards". amx says they are not important to him, but he keeps statistics on them, like major league baseball: batting average, number of posts, seasonal average, answers batted in, strike-outs, fowl balls, etc... If he says otherwise, he is not being straight up!]
        
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        Mar 7, 2011 5:26 AM (in response to JellyWheat)
        Re: ₪8>*}.... Just a suggestion:
        
        Ordered the graphtechs
        
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        Mar 7, 2011 1:35 PM (in response to JellyWheat)
        Re: ₪8>*}.... Just a suggestion:
        
        well im in a corner and theres no way out. ok im on a points diet.    i dont want points.    points shmoints.
        
        ill say this one last time.    no points for me.   i want to remain in spurt ville. where all spurts roam free.
        
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kck3TbiI1QQ&feature=player_embedded
        
        these are my deepes   thoughts   on points. pay close attention and    keep an eye on facial expressions.
        
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        Mar 7, 2011 1:44 PM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ₪8>*}.... Just a suggestion:
        
        heres that pic
        
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        Mar 7, 2011 1:52 PM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ₪8>*}.... Excellency!... Did you not mean to say...
        
        PERNTS SCHMERNTS?
        
        Just wondering, Great One!
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        Mar 7, 2011 1:59 PM (in response to JellyWheat)
        Re: ₪8>*}.... Excellency!... Did you not mean to say...
        
        yues thats it.   i think i inhaled some bad air. see my video.
        and how are you this evening?
        
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        Mar 7, 2011 4:24 PM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ₪8>ɔ}.... Good evening, O Great All-Knowing One!
        
        I think I shall spend the twilight hours in study and contemplation of the First Twelve Volumes of the Marvelous Wisdoms and Wondersome Mysteries. I am thawing out a package of frozen chicken entrails, which I will attempt to read before bed. Then I must break some more bottles and flourescent light tubes to "freshen up" my electrified hammock before I turn in.
        
        These things allow me to sometimes partake of the same visions you are able to attain simply through the eating of sausage pizza, Excellency. I have not the Power of the Great All-Knowing Mind, as you do... Perhaps one day. [sigh] But time is fleeting, like wind that passes in the night!
        
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        Mar 7, 2011 4:54 PM (in response to JellyWheat)
        Re: ₪8>ɔ}.... Good evening, O Great All-Knowing One!
        
        speaking of wind   did you   catch   my   video on how i feel about   points. ? well   you know you are always welcom   up atop   the mountain my friend
        
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        Mar 7, 2011 5:19 PM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ₪8>D}.... Thank you for the invitation, Great One!
        
        If I can find a good bat-sitter and WarbleMeister, I shall be sure to make the long climb to pay you homage!
        
        Good night, O Great Wind of Winds!
        
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        Mar 7, 2011 5:21 PM (in response to JellyWheat)
        Re: ₪8>D}.... Thank you for the invitation, Great One!
        
        you have a good night too my good friend
        
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        Mar 8, 2011 2:31 AM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ₪8>D}.... Thank you for the invitation, Great One!
        
        Nice one amx thanks for the pic, makes it very clear what i have to do now.
        
        One question though, you mentioned somewhere that when we/I am soldering, the pcb needs to be off the bridge, is this correct? and why and also how does it come off, is it secured with that extra screw at the back of the pcb?
        
        Just curious as to why it needs to come off
        
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        Mar 14, 2011 8:30 AM (in response to LeeWalker)
        Re: ₪8>D}.... Thank you for the invitation, Great One!
        
        OK Ordered the graphtechs, god only knows when they are going to arrive as they should be here already (grrr i have waiting for stuff).
        
        One very quick question though
        
        Once everything is soldered up, is there anywhere that the 'slack' of the wires has to go? What i mean here is when it is all fininshed there are 6 wires going to earth on the back end of the bridge, does it matter where they are when the strings are put in, from the pics i have see i can see that the strings are very likely to make contact with them.
        
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        Mar 14, 2011 8:35 AM (in response to LeeWalker)
        Re: ₪8>D}.... Thank you for the invitation, Great One!
        
        Hi, Lee.
        
        The Great All-Knowing One is on the mountaintop again. He's the one, however, that will have a practical suggestion for getting those wires tidied up and out of the way.
        
        Best chant a few "uhnnng-GAHs" and await his advice. Have a good wait day.
        
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        Mar 14, 2011 2:00 PM (in response to JellyWheat)
        coming to you directly from the mountain top
        
        ok heres a scan of my bridge
        
        you can see    how i hooked it all up when putting it back on the guitar i tuck all the loose ground wires under   one side of the pcb this keeps them away from the strings as you can see the rest of the wire will be tucked behind the   wires that go back to the main board.
        
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        Mar 14, 2011 3:12 PM (in response to amx05462)
        ௹฿>¤}...Thanks to the Great All-Knowing One for sharing with us mortals...
        
        ... his Inscrutable Wisdoms and Wondersome Mysteries!
        
        uhnnn-gah...uhnnng-gah... uhnnng-GA-A-A-A-H!
        
        J/W
        
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        Mar 14, 2011 3:17 PM (in response to JellyWheat)
        Re: ௹฿>¤}...Thanks to the Great All-Knowing One for sharing with us mortals...
        
        i do what i can
        
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        Mar 14, 2011 3:30 PM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ௹฿>ɔ}...You seem to be...
        
        ... in fine fettle tonight, Excellency!
        
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        Mar 14, 2011 3:35 PM (in response to JellyWheat)
        Re: ௹฿>ɔ}...You seem to be...
        
        a bit bushed from     the rock.
        
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        Mar 14, 2011 3:48 PM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ௹8>♨}...You saw a burning bush on the Rock, Excellency???
        
        ... I know of only one other who has seen such a thing, Great All-Knowing One!
        
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        Mar 14, 2011 3:49 PM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: -oops-
        
        delete duplicate post
        
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        Mar 15, 2011 3:13 AM (in response to JellyWheat)
        Re: -oops-
        
        Thanks AMX, you are a star
        
        Hopefully these pick ups will arrive soon and i will be up and running again, god i miss my variax
        
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        Mar 18, 2011 2:33 AM (in response to LeeWalker)
        Re: -oops-
        
        Oki
        
        Graphtechs have arrived, been re-reading the posts and i think i am cool on most of it now
        
        One question though
        
        On splitting the two wires once the end has been cut off (the blue and the silver), what should i use to cut these, i was thinking of a craft knife because the wire cutters i have a too big i think, does that sound ok? Not sure on this one
        
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        Mar 18, 2011 2:46 AM (in response to LeeWalker)
        Re: -oops-
        
        i used wire cutters   between the two   wires. one slip with the knife and   the   wire gets cut off. also your possibly pulling on the wire. suppose you pull it too hard and    pullit otu of the pickup.
        
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        Mar 18, 2011 3:04 AM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: -oops-
        
        Will any wire cutters do? Not sure of the size i need for this
        
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        Mar 18, 2011 3:34 AM (in response to LeeWalker)
        Re: -oops-
        
        I found some little wire cutters, hopefully they will do the trick
        
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        Mar 18, 2011 8:07 AM (in response to LeeWalker)
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        the little ones will do . thats what i used. and when you strip the ends for soldering the easiest way is with a torch. thats what i did . melted right off and the wires were dead clean. i removed 1/4 on the   positives and a half on the blue ones so i could   twist them together.
        
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        Mar 18, 2011 6:38 PM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: -oops-
        
        Started on the stripping, yes, this is a complete a*** of a job but its theonly way
        
        One thing that i have noticed though. The PCB is held on with a screw and a bolt on one side, this is a complete pain to get of, might have to saw this one as it is seized badly. Because i cannot get it off (i can untighten it a bit) i have noticed that there is some kind of rubberish tape on the underside of the pcb oppisite the screw bit.
        
        I assume that the wires go through the slots in the bridge and then between the bridge and the pcb, does this rubber bit make a difference or can i take it off?
        
        Help
        
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        Mar 18, 2011 6:55 PM (in response to LeeWalker)
        Re: Julian Assange...
        
        LeeWalker wrote:
        
        does this rubber bit make a difference or can i take it off?
        
        Help
        
        ... asked the same question, once, and it landed him in a whole HEAP of trouble! [If you decide to take it off, stay away from Sweden!]
        
        My $0.02/YMMV
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        Mar 19, 2011 1:54 AM (in response to JellyWheat)
        Re: Julian Assange...
        
        Cheers Jelly lol nice one
        
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        Mar 19, 2011 4:11 AM (in response to LeeWalker)
        Re: The Great All-Knowing One
        
        ... will doubtless answer your Qweschun by means of an Marvellous Wizdom once he is up.
        
        [It talkes him a while to extricate his tough old hide from the points of the bed of nails on which he sleeps. Then it's the trek down the mountainside, the inconsequential morning pee on the Burning Bush, etc. Like I said... it takes a while!]
        
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        Mar 19, 2011 5:50 AM (in response to JellyWheat)
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        mine didnt have rubber in there chances some of it are in the threads.   thats whats binding the    screw. also on mine the screw is in the hole in the middle .   unless   yours is a different rig.
        send a photo. mine has a tang above the   look at the photo i sent you   the rubber is probably insulation or a   gap   spacer to keep the board from grounding on the bridge plate. best bet a wrench on the nut plyers on the head of the screw.. replace the screw when done.
        
        id have answered sooner but i had one of them nails   stuck in the back of my typing hand and couldnt get it free.
        
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        Mar 19, 2011 5:57 AM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ₪฿>¤}...Excellency! Good Morning, O Great One!
        
        I must hasten to inscribe Marvellous Wizdom No. 1 462 (b)(ii) on the Tablets of the Wondersome Mysteries!
        
        I shall return forthwith!
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        Mar 19, 2011 6:10 AM (in response to JellyWheat)
        Re: ₪฿>¤}...Excellency! Good Morning, O Great One!
        
        good morning fellow knight of the trapazoidal table.   how are you on this fine day?
        
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        Mar 19, 2011 6:22 AM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ₪฿>z}...I am cleaning the Trapazoidal Table so that I may use it to inscribe Marvellous Wizdoms on the Tablets
        
        ... but I must say, Excellency, that your reading of the chicken entrails leaves a great mess! Do you not remember the trick I showed to you about using the Window of Light and the Tray of the Clicking Tiles to search the Google engine? It would be much more sanitary and humane!
        
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        Mar 19, 2011 6:33 AM (in response to JellyWheat)
        Re: ₪฿>z}...I am cleaning the Trapazoidal Table so that I may use it to inscribe Marvellous Wizdoms on the Tablets
        
        well as you may know the window of light is covered in nicotine and   some stuff i coughed up when you last told me a funny one.   and the tiles are in a repair in the bathroom i hesitate to tell you what might be on them . let it suffice to say .... there are times    late at night    when my aim is not so good.
        
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        Mar 19, 2011 6:34 AM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ₪฿>z}...I am cleaning the Trapazoidal Table so that I may use it to inscribe Marvellous Wizdoms on the Tablets
        
        btw how do it goeth   with the kings english oh mighty one?
        
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        Mar 19, 2011 6:51 AM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ₪8>c}... every time I try to practice the King's English, ...
        
        ... the dodgy blighters from the other side of the pond seem to disentrunculate themselves from the conversation and go back to affixing scratch plates whilst they chuff!
        
        [As far as I can tell, anyway... so my English can't be that good. Thanks for enquiring, anyway, Excellency. You certainly are a benevolent despot!]
        
        J/W
        
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        Mar 19, 2011 7:03 AM (in response to JellyWheat)
        Re: ₪8>c}... every time I try to practice the King's English, ...
        
        this is an idea of how we t alk around here. car = caah
        
        quahoag = coehog. etc
        
        http://www.quahog.org/factsfolklore/index.php?id=43
        
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        Mar 19, 2011 7:04 AM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ₪8>D}... every time I try to practice the King's English, ...
        
        That sounds like how we talked on the farm, 2 miles from the Vermont border!!!
        
        J/W
        
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        Mar 19, 2011 7:13 AM (in response to JellyWheat)
        Re: ₪8>D}... every time I try to practice the King's English, ...
        
        yep its really   new englandisms but some of them are    local to us.
        
        ill have to look up the one for new yawk that should be good.
        
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        Mar 19, 2011 7:16 AM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ₪8>D}... every time I try to practice the King's English, ...
        
        well boyz im headin out to da maaket. be back later.
        
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        Mar 19, 2011 7:35 AM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ₪8>D}... Bring us back...
        
        ... a few dozen scuffles and some 7-UP!
        
        J/W
        
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        Mar 19, 2011 8:15 AM (in response to JellyWheat)
        Re: ₪8>D}... Bring us back...
        
        is seven up still made.    i love 7 up.
        
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        Mar 19, 2011 8:32 AM (in response to amx05462)
        Re: ₪8>D}... In the Great, Cold North...
        
        ... we can still get 7-Up!
        
        M-M-M-M-M-M-M!
        (URP!)
        J/W
        
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        Mar 21, 2011 3:24 AM (in response to JellyWheat)
        Update on my Graphtech Install
        
        Hi All (especially AMX and JW)
        
        Graphtechs installed and working i am most pleased to get my Variax back
        
        Three things that i have noticed during this whole process though are
        
        1. Splitting the wires on the graphtechs lick balls badly, horrid job
        2. Putting it all back together is a complete pain as there are wires everywhere but I overcome it
        3. They do seem to be a bit 'hotter' that the Baggs ones, not sure if this is good or not yet
        
        All in all a great experience, and i certainly would not have been able to do this without the help from this forum
        
        Thanks
        
        Lee
        
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        Mar 21, 2011 1:29 PM (in response to LeeWalker)
        Re: Update on my Graphtech Install
        
        good to hear your back in business.    you can tone them down in workbench if you want to . me i like the improvement myself. good luck with it be sure to pass the knowledge on to others. and have fun with your   repaired variax.
        
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