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jholmgren Just Startin' 33 posts since
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Mar 6, 2011 4:54 PM

EQ for Dummies

I've been using the HD500 through a FRFR powered PA speaker, which sounds fantastic. However, at louder volumes the higher range notes start to sound pretty biting, and I'm quite sure it's simply a matter of some quick EQ adjustments to make it sound better.

 

I want to use the EQs from the HD500, not external. I have no problems using any of the other effects in this unit, but the EQs are clear as mud ot me when diagnosing and fixing EQ issues in a guitar setup.

 

1. Is there an EQ for Dummies type of tutorial anywhere that shows the concepts behind getting rid of some of the shrill frequencies?

2. Are there any good explanations of the built-in EQ models in the HD500? I've looked through the Advanced Guide, and to be honest generalized descriptions like "Low Mid" "Low Pass Q" and "Q" really don't do someone like me any good at all. Once I know what the common troublesome frequencies usually are, and the corresponding controls in the Pod, I'm sure it should be easy to adjust my signal.

  • SStiv Just Startin' 68 posts since
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    Mar 6, 2011 5:51 PM (in response to jholmgren)
    Re: EQ for Dummies

    Thank you for asking this. I am interested in hearing some feedback on this topic as well.

  • Nick_Mattocks Best of the Best 9,065 posts since
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    Mar 7, 2011 12:20 AM (in response to jholmgren)
    Re: EQ for Dummies

    I just did a quick Google for Understanding EQ and the first thing to pop out was this http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul01/articles/equalisers1.asp which should give you somewhere to start.

     

    Sound on Sound is a good magazine aimed at recording musicians in the main, and these guys talk a lot of sense usually.  They also have a forum on their Web site here www.soundonsound.com

     

    Re-posting your question in the Line 6 Lounge as already suggested should attract plenty of attention I would think

     

    Nick

  • rodney13 Just Startin' 231 posts since
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    Mar 7, 2011 1:10 AM (in response to jholmgren)
    Re: EQ for Dummies

    Have a look on the net for a subject about Fletcher Munson theory it may help you in some way.

  • scotchtape800 Just Startin' 46 posts since
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    Mar 7, 2011 9:33 AM (in response to jholmgren)
    Re: EQ for Dummies

    Great question.  Let me preface everything I say by: I'm no expert.  My 10 year experience has only included: Zoom GFX-8 (2000?), Fender Twin red knob, Johnson JM60 modelling amp, Vox Tonelab SE (2009).

     

    Everything just keeps getting better.

     

    EQ is one of those mystical things that no one has a really good write up of but one of the best things to do is just MOVE THE KNOBS.

    Eventually your brain can map out what does what, obviously the pros are way better at it too.

     

    In terms of a clinical explanation, I don't know if there IS one, playing with the EQ is all dependent on the SOUND... since it's always different depending on speaker set up, room etc... it's difficult to nail down.  The other problem is, there doesn't seem to be any good examples of "GOOD EQ".  I wish there was something out there that said, HERE IS A GOOD SOUND, TRY TO GET THIS.  That would make it so much more helpful... right now it's like trying to hit a target you can't see!  What the heck is good sound?

     

    RE your question about the highs: I read somewhere that as the volume gets louder, those treble frequencies start to really hurt your ears.  So if you know you're going to be cranking it, you need to roll of those highs.  Ice picks in ears.  Just the way it is, different settings for different volumes.

     

    You can look up a lot of those terms online... But a lot of them refer to the "shape" of the EQ curve...

    For example, check out this site: http://mobile.jlaudio.com/support_pages.php?page_id=144

     

    It really helps with graphs, but graphs don't necessarily translate to sound, so the best way is to just sit there and fiddle the knobs because these words won't translate to sound for you

     

    Even though I have general idea of how to manipulate the sound curves graphically... without having a "sound" to aim for, it's challenging...

  • Kneehow UberGuru 6,750 posts since
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    Mar 15, 2011 3:18 PM (in response to jholmgren)
    Re: RE: EQ for Dummies

    I have some info that might be helpful to you. Here are the actual values for frequencies that you're probably looking for:

     

      MID Focus EQ

      High Pass (HP) Frequency: 20 to 500 Hz

      HP Q: 0 to 100%*

      Low Pass (LP) Frequency: from 500 Hz to 18 kHz

      LP Q: 0 to 100%*

      Gain: 0 to 24 dB

     

      Parametric EQ

      Low (Low Pass Shelving Filter): -12 to +12 dB

      Highs (High Pass Shelving Filter): -12 to +12 dB

      Freq: from 45 Hz to 4.5 kHz

      Q: 0 to 100%*

      Gain: -12 to +12 dB

     

    * Q is a ratio between the center frequency and the bandwidth, when bandwidth is the range of frequencies where the filter is attenuating (decreasing) the signal less than 3 dB.

     

    Hope this helps.

  • Deny777 Just Startin' 67 posts since
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    Mar 15, 2011 6:53 PM (in response to jholmgren)
    Re: EQ for Dummies

    I'm sure Line 6 means well, probably trying to make it easier and less intimidating for folks who have no idea what a Hz is. But guess what, for those of us who do, it's kinda insulting. I can only speak for myself, but I feel like I'm being called stupid when I look at frequencies represented as percents. And what's worse, all the years I've spent learning how to dial good tones by memorizing what certain frequencies and other parameters related to audio signals do are worthless with the HD500. BTW "Q" is a filter quality factor and as such has no unit of measure, it's just a number that is usually adjustable through ranges like from 0.1 to 2.0 for instance. If Line 6 had gone with standard notation, those of us who know how a parametric bandpass filter sounds with a Q of 0.8 would have it a lot easier.

     

    My opinion is, people who aren't tech-savvy or hate programming their units will stick to factory and downloaded patches anyway. People who already know this stuff have to play it by ear which isn't so bad but it's more time consuming than when you have a rough idea of where to start. People who want to learn their way around programming MFX units will learn how to program their POD HD, and whatever they learn will be useless for programming patches on other gear... or is this what Line 6 had in mind to begin with?

    • KozMcCharlie Just Startin' 179 posts since
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      Mar 16, 2011 12:44 PM (in response to Deny777)
      Re: EQ for Dummies

      On of the biggest complaints I have with line 6 is the fact that they use only percentages with the parameters as opposed to what's actually being adjusted. This is true with EQ, which would be much easier to use with real world parameters. It's a little mind boggling since they use Hz for the speed control on Analog Chorus. Why not be consistent?

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