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meambobbo Iknowathingortwo 1,702 posts since
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May 28, 2011 5:29 PM

Cabs Eq'ed to RedWirez setlist

Ok, here is the first setlist with the 5 high gain amps each with 12 different cab/mic combinations, with each combination EQ'ed so that it very closely matches the frequency response of the RedWirez IR that uses the same cab or at least speakers with an SM57 mic pointed at "CapEdgeOffAxis" at 0.5".

 

Here's the legend for the patches.  They'll be <amp> <cab><mic> <tone>.  So for instance "Uber BlkX Base" means Uberschall amp, Blackbacks 4x12 w/ SM57 off axis, with default amp settings.

 

Marshall J-800         J800

Bogner Uberschall      Uber

Mesa Dual Rectifier    Rect

ENGL Fireball          ENGL

Line 6 Elektrik        elek

 

Greenbacks 25 4x12     Grn

Brit T75 4x12          T75

Blackbacks 30 4x12     Blk

Uber T75/V30 4x12      Ubr

Treadplate V30 4x12    V30

XXL V30 4x12           XXL

 

SM57 On Axis           +

SM57 On Axis           X

 

Default                Base

Lead                   Lead

Metal                  Metal

Rock                   Rock

 

Each of the patches has the following effects in the chain:

Studio EQ - This is to brighten the tone before the amp gain stage(s) to reduce muddiness

Tube Screamer - Same as above, only use the EQ or the Screamer, not both

amp/cab/mic/mixer

Ducking Reverb - to add some space

Digital Delay - kind of quick single echo delay - 500ms

Various EQ's - These are the EQ's used to match the RedWirez cabs.

 

And the footswitch assignments:

FS1 - Tube Screamer (change to the Studio EQ if you prefer to use the EQ as your "overdrive")

FS2 - Reverb

FS3 - Delay

FS4 - All the EQ's, toggle this to hear how the EQ's change the tone

 

I'm including a few samples of the cabs using the ENGL amp patches.  You're hearing Pod HD On Axis, Pod HD Off Axis, then RedWirez IR.

 

THE SOUND IS NOT IDENTICAL. I used Voxengo Span to match the EQ's visually.  I didn't get 100% accuracy.  Some of them are closer than others.  Ironically, I find the Pod HD cabs to sound better than the RedWirez cabs.  The RedWirez sound more noisy.

 

EDIT - SETLIST HAS BEEN LEVELED TO REMOVE VOLUME DIFFERENCES.

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  • ClarkKentJob Just Startin' 61 posts since
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    May 28, 2011 12:59 AM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Cabs Eq'ed to RedWirez setlist

    I've tried many match EQ programs and Ozone has the best one. You should try that one!

  • mtreehugger Just Startin' 195 posts since
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    May 28, 2011 7:50 AM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Cabs Eq'ed to RedWirez setlist

    "I'm including a few samples of the cabs using the ENGL amp patches.  You're hearing Pod HD On Axis, Pod HD Off Axis, then RedWirez IR. 

    THE SOUND IS NOT IDENTICAL. I used Voxengo Span to match the EQ's visually.  I didn't get 100% accuracy.  Some of them are closer than others.  Ironically, I find the Pod HD cabs to sound better than the RedWirez cabs.  The RedWirez sound more noisy."

     

    Thanks, meambobbo!  I liked the pod on-axis best in the 1st 2 clips, the pod off-axis better in the 3rd clip, and the 2 pods finished in a dead heat in your 4th clip.  I agree that the redwirez did not sound as good as the hd cabs--only in the 4th clip was it even close imo.  the redwirez sounded muffled, in general, but that's due to your not getting 100% accuracy, correct?

        • frozenbrains Just Startin' 11 posts since
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          Aug 3, 2011 11:27 AM (in response to meambobbo)
          Re: Cabs Eq'ed to RedWirez setlist

          Meambobbo... sorry to resurrect an old thread, but THANK YOU SO MUCH for posting this setlist! I was having a hard time getting anything decent out of the J-800.

           

          I agree with what you said in another thread. It is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE to need 4 or 5 EQ blocks to fix Line 6's $hitty HD cab sims.

           

          Fortunately I can get what I need with 2 or 3, but still, that's pretty lame. I hope they are seriously doing something about the cab sims. They suck.

            • francisb Just Startin' 133 posts since
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              Aug 7, 2011 7:06 PM (in response to meambobbo)
              Re: Cabs Eq'ed to RedWirez setlist

              I missed your post originally... thanks for the patches, however it just emphasis how ridiculous the EQ offering vs the maximum FX slot amount is. But it shows that it could be a solution if they were to implement an graphical EQ directly on the cab.

               

              Thread popularity over here seems to usually follows the expert and they seems to like the cabinet as they are... in fact the pod hd cabs are a mystery to me at this point. I'm like you I always seems to fight with them to set them up and to me it is clear to be the weakest part of the HD, but you read other users and they do not see any problem with them even if the HD doesn't sound like anything else on the market....

            • OliverCaspers Just Startin' 17 posts since
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              Aug 20, 2011 1:50 AM (in response to meambobbo)
              Re: Cabs Eq'ed to RedWirez setlist

              I agree. The cabs sond too muffled to me. Most times I try to compensate this with a mid shift eq. But L6 should definetely rework the cabs. From my point of view the cabs are the weakest part in the Pod HD.

               

              The amps are absolutley great in their dynamics. I love how you can change the tone with different attacks and changing the volume of the guitar. I wish they could get the cabs to the same level.

              • mtreehugger Just Startin' 195 posts since
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                Aug 21, 2011 4:19 PM (in response to OliverCaspers)
                Re: Cabs Eq'ed to RedWirez setlist

                I totally agree as well.  The cabs are the weak spot.  In fact, I'm skeptical there's any cab modeling involved.  They sound like simple EQ curves.  So if you aren't using the cab in exactly the same way as it was when it was sampled, it doesn't respond correctly, and now we're throwing more EQ on them as compensation.  If Line 6 could make some kind of enhancement here to either make them respond in a more life-like way or allow users to tweak things (like when they added controls for bias, sag hum, etc. to the amps), they would completely dominate the market.

                 

                Anybody who agrees with this should find the product feedback link and make a feature request to have better cabs.  The more customers who say this, the more likely it is to come to pass.

  • Floortom Just Startin' 5 posts since
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    Aug 21, 2011 6:41 AM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Cabs Eq'ed to RedWirez setlist

    Great post...I'm going to play around with these today

  • pascual_dd Just Startin' 2 posts since
    Sep 2, 2011
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    Sep 3, 2011 6:45 PM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Cabs Eq'ed to RedWirez setlist

    Thanks meambobbo, your eq'ed cabs have saved me from my initial despair!

    Indeed the factory cabs are weak and darksounding ! ( I used to run my XT into the RedWirez GB25 and it sounded better!!!)

     

    I would love to see a matching cab for the Park+GB I guess I'll have to learn the technique .

     

    Thanks again for your help

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