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Ax3M4n Just Startin' 127 posts since
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Sep 10, 2011 2:32 PM

Screamer - How does it work?

Original TS808/TS9 has 1 EQ control - "Tone"

 

POD HD has 3 - Tone, Treble and Bass.

 

Obvious answer is - it gives you more adjustement - but it's not the answer I am looking for.

 

Original gave you an option of transparency - dial in the rough EQ you had with the "Effect Off" -  OR - dial in more tonal colour as desired.

 

POD HD version is very interactive - slight adjustment of one EQ control massively affects the already-dialled-in values of the other two. Its a nightmare - its like trying to nail jelly to a wall.   Black-Magic Balancing act.

 

Can any Line 6 expert bods let me know what the "zero" effect value for Bass and Treble are.  I'm not convinced it's "50%" , also the default values are very toppy (like a treble boost) - so it's not that either.

 

Having more control is very nice, but I'd like to know how to cancel them out of the equation if possible.

 

 

 

 

  • phil_m Expert Line 6 User 4,243 posts since
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    Sep 10, 2011 2:56 PM (in response to Ax3M4n)
    Re: Screamer - How does it work?

    50% is the zero value for treble and bass. The mid control is analagous to the tone knob on the real pedal, which is really kind of an unfortunate label. A tubescreamer's tone control really has more to do with the treble than the mids, but that's how it works. I've actually done some A/B with some TS clones and the Line 6 model, and I can get them pretty close. I usually leave the treble and bass at 50%, adjust the tone knob until I like it, and then only mess with the other EQ parameters for fine tuning.

    • meambobbo Iknowathingortwo 1,702 posts since
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      Sep 10, 2011 11:03 PM (in response to phil_m)
      Re: Screamer - How does it work?

      i agree, but i would add, if you feel the TS effect is cutting out your bass, turn the bass parameter up.  I almost always keep treble at 50%, but I'll often keep the bass parameter at 70-90% to make sure the tone isn't TOO bright.

      • gregr Iknowathingortwo 639 posts since
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        Sep 10, 2011 11:13 PM (in response to meambobbo)
        Re: Screamer - How does it work?

        People often prefer Tube Screamers because they do just that: tighten up your tone.

         

        As for the "Tone" control, it's really more of a high-mid/low-treble boost; like the bass, high treble is also de-emphasized.

         

        I think I prefer the TS-9 model in the DigiTech RP series over the Screamer model in the HD series.  The higher-end DigiTechs also have a "modded" version of the TS-9 that doesn't cut the lows.

      • gregr Iknowathingortwo 639 posts since
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        Sep 11, 2011 10:17 AM (in response to Ax3M4n)
        Re: Screamer - How does it work?

        Ax3M4n wrote:

         

        Thanks for response.  I'll give it a try again with the "50% = zero EQ effect".

         

        50% for the bass and treble controls only = zero added EQ effect to the original TS808 being modeled.  This is a far cry from saying the Screamer will have no EQ effect overall.

         

        I play an open chord and let it ring while switching the Screamer On and Off listening to the change - what I want to hear is added grit - without added EQ...  hope that makes sense.

         

        ...then the Screamer is probably not the model you want to use.  In addition to adding overdrive, Tube Screamers color your tone; there are no two ways about it.  If The Edge is using a Tube Screamer, then it is adding color to his tone.

         

        If you want to go for a flatter response, I suggest you increase the bass above 50% and adjust the treble and tone against one another until the tone sounds most even thoughout the treble region.  After doing this you may find that the treble will also be above 50%.  As I said earlier, the tone control boosts the upper-mids/lower-highs, but not the upper-highs.

          • meambobbo Iknowathingortwo 1,702 posts since
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            Sep 12, 2011 6:52 AM (in response to Ax3M4n)
            Re: Screamer - How does it work?

            I can't see your tone right now, but the drive and output parameters are going to be also just as important as far as obtaining the distortion tone you want.  I almost always use the TS effect as an overdrive.  I turn the drive to 0% and set the output to whereever it needs to be to force the amp to distort to the desired level.  If your distortion is too gritty, you may want to rely more on the TS for its distortion (which is pretty smooth).  Set the output to a level (60% or lower generally) where your patch stays clean, then turn up the drive until you have the desired level of distortion.  Or you could try to mix the TS distortion with the amp distortion, using a little of both.

          • phil_m Expert Line 6 User 4,243 posts since
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            Sep 12, 2011 6:58 AM (in response to Ax3M4n)
            Re: Screamer - How does it work?

            Well, a Tubsecreamer is not a transparent effect. That's why some people have issues with them. You pretty much always always have a mid-hump. The other overdrive model, simply called "Overdrive" is actually a bit more transparent.

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