Currently Being ModeratedSep 30, 2011 2:55 AM (in response to jesuscares)Re: Acoustic guitars for P & W.
Breedlove make a great acoustic.. and allot of people use Takamine.. Even though this one is not as popular a name brand,, i think for the money Yamaha makes and excellent Acoustic also..
Currently Being ModeratedSep 30, 2011 5:37 AM (in response to jesuscares)Re: Acoustic guitars for P & W.
OH man! i love this question! There are a ton of really good acoustic guitar makers out there. Acoustics more so than electrics depend on the craft of the maker, (though you can get lucky sometimes on cheaper instruments). I personally do not like Taylors, as I find them too bright in general. I am much more a fan of Martins. I have neither though. I play a martin style guitar from a smaller maker in california called the santa cruz guitar company. http://www.santacruzguitar.com/
i play their OM model (the regular version). It's phenomenal. It is nice and rich, and has suprising low end for what is now a smaller guitar. It's light, it fits my hand so well. A lot of people who play it think it's the easiest playing acoustic that they've ever played! So if you have the opertunity to check one out, do it.
watch the beginning of that video to learn a bit about why a smaller maker is better (not all are as good as santa cruz, but they are certainly not the only good option either)
where do you live?
a good way to learn about what premium guitars are out there is to check out a premium guitar store. You can usually find at least one in every state. Even if you don't live close, you can check out the website(like this one
http://www.artisanguitars.com/ ) to learn what other brands might be interesting to you.
One last word of advice....buy used. You're going to save a ton of money, or, more importantly, the value is going to go up tremendously for you. You can buy a new $2000 guitar for $2000 or maybe get a used $3500 guitar for $2000. The biggest upside is that a lot of times when you buy used the owners have taken the time to put good quality electronics in already, plus if you watched that second video you'll recall that the older wood is the better its tone.
hope that helps!
Currently Being ModeratedSep 30, 2011 8:16 AM (in response to jesuscares)Re: Acoustic guitars for P & W.
What is your playing style? Honestly, that for me determines the purchase more than anything else.
The smaller Taks can tend to be very bright (same thing with Taylors, as mentioned, though active EQ control is a REALLY nice feature), so if you've got a really strong pick attack and play hard, it might not be the best choice. Their larger models still retain quite a lot of brightness, but MAN do they get loud!
Remember, these are all generalizations.
Ovations tend to have a very narrowly focused sound...I find that you either love 'em or hate 'em based on that.
Seagulls are pretty much amazing. Always been really satisfied with the quality of a good Seagull guitar.
Think tonewoods and materials as well. Spruce tops (the most common) are pretty versatile in terms of sound, very middle of the road. Koa (a Taylor fave) is a little on the bright side, etc. http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/features/woods/ This section of the Taylor website is quite good at explaining what woods do what (in general). Check it out.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 30, 2011 9:21 AM (in response to jesuscares)Re: Acoustic guitars for P & W.
By "good" I assume you are talking about quality. In my experience, once you get into the $1000 and above price range, quality is not so much the variable as tone. Sure, you could buy a Mcpherson guitar for $10,000 but there is not a huge difference in the reliability or longevity of the instrument. It's all in how you take care of it.
I agree with hitchface and suggest you find the body style that best suits the type of sound you are going for. Play the different body styles. As a general rule of thumb, the shape below the sound hole effects the bottom end and the shape above the sound hole effects the mids and highs. The depth (soundboard to back) effects the volume. Once you determine the shape you want, shop around, play as many guitars with that body style as possible. Take note of the type of wood used for the soundboard.
For instance, I am a heavy strummer and ocassionaly venture into some fingerstyle, so I settled on a classic dreadnaught body style. The dreadnaught gave me the "unplugged" volume I need and didn't "squash" when I got really vigorous with my strum. I played every dreadnaught I could get my hands on. It was pretty easy to narrow down which guitars didn't suit me. Some guitars just felt better in my hands. Some guitars made me feel like a "better" guitar player than I actually am.
I ended up narrowing my selection down to a few dreadnaughts that just felt right. A Martin, a Taylor, an Alvarez, and a Tacoma. All had electronics and all were beautiful guitars. I was extremely partial to a Taylor with a western red cedar top. The western red cedar mellowed out the tone just a little bit more than the typical spruce that they use. However, it was just too far out of my price range.
After a couple of weeks, I was getting ready to make my purchase. I told the sales person my delemma. He just stared at me wide-eyed. "We just that SAME guitar in off of demo!" Needless to say I walked out of the shop with the Taylor for less than half the list price. (Divine intervention? I think so!)
So, play every guitar you can get your hands on, narrow it down, ask about dealer demos, look for used, and be patient. Once you get the guitar, take care of it!
Currently Being ModeratedSep 30, 2011 10:06 AM (in response to jesuscares)Re: Acoustic guitars for P & W.
All really good advice here. I have a few things to add. 1. Are you going to be doing lots of unplugged stuff or plugged in? 2. Solo or small group or big band? What's your budget? If your budget is under $1000 dollars I would seriously suggest looking at Eastman, Recording King, or Blue Ridge. These are 3 very reputable companies out of China. (Ps most of your name brand guitars under $1k are coming form China or Korea)
First, go find out what your dream Martin, Guild, Taylor, Gibson would be. Each of the brands listed make an equivalent all solid wood guitar resembling your $3k and up guitars. I tend to favor the Recording King. They're US designed, assembled in China and finished and setup in US. I have a Gibson J-45 and Martin D-18 and I have the equivalent RK guitars. Yes there are slight differences. I actually prefer my RD-316 to my D-18. I've added my own electronics to each. Anyway my point is that I'd suggest a solid wood guitar over a solid top and laminate sides and back any day of the week. Also be sure to thoroughly check out the guitar through either an acoustic amp or PA at gigging volumes to see how it sounds. If you are the acoustic player in a band setting mostly strumming definitely go with a Spruce top/Mahogany back and sides to cut through the band and keep the notes clear.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 7, 2011 10:14 PM (in response to daveschutt)Re: Acoustic guitars for P & W.
Thanks all for those great answers & sorry for not checking in earlier.I'm more a lead guitarist on would love to have an acoustic guitar that sounds good for both strumming as well as acoustic lead riffs.I've played on both Martin's & Taylors.The Martins are good for bluesy chops but I like the Taylor better.The budget is 1K to 1.5.I was wondering if there is anything in the market other than Taylor,Martin,Gibson.Guild.My strumming style is medium & I bend strings a lot.I also noticed that a lot of acoustic guitars have a pretty hard touch (higher action).I would prefer a soft touch one since I'm a 9 gauge user on a fender deluxe strat.
I am yet to check the links guru sent but thanks a lot.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 10, 2011 1:06 PM (in response to jesuscares)Re: Acoustic guitars for P & W.
I recently installed an LR Baggs X Bridge and pre amp in my strat. That would give you the feel of your electric and a pretty nice amplified acoustic sound. You could stereo out to two Direct Boxes or Amps and play acoustic and electric at the same time.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 10, 2011 1:10 PM (in response to jesuscares)Re: Acoustic guitars for P & W.
If you just want an acoustic, it would be hard to go wrong with a Taylor and they come in all price ranges. The feel is light and they amplify well as they are very even across the tonal spectrum from the 1st to the 6th strings. However, when it comes to an acoustic I would choose what sounds and feels good to you. We all will have differing opinions and there are alot of good low cost options from about $300 and up.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 8, 2011 8:12 AM (in response to jesuscares)Re: Acoustic guitars for P & W.
I know you say acoustic, but as a fellow worship leader my acoustic is solid body, well chambered. I got my acoustic for home, small group and such. But if you are talking leading, plugged in then here are my suggestions.
Find a Line 6 acoustic vairax 700. The modeling is amazing, you get alt tunings in a heartbeat, plus you keep the feel of an electric. I use Thomastick 009 flatwound classical strings on mine. What is great about this is that it interfaces with what you have at your feet. Spend some time tweaking and each time you step on the pedal you have either a different guitar or same guitar alternate tuning.
You might also want to look into a Crowdster, they pop up occasionally on eBay. Likewise a Gibson Chet Atkins SST, which is my go to stage guitar.
But if you don't like the sound of any of those, get a Godin. Same music group as Breedlove and Seagull. Look for a Multiac Steel. they are all over eBay occasionally you can find the first generation which has two condensor mics as well as a transducer that you can mix and blend. These are just pheonominal guitars.
But if you are looking at acoustic, real acoustic. Check out Applied Acoustics, they make "solid" cabon fiber guitars. I have a secret love affair for them.
I would also say check out a Parker p10e. It has a very slim electric neck, great sound and you can find them pretty cheap.
Yamaha and Takamine are also great choices, bud sadly only the high end gives their name any credit. When I was living in Japan Yamaha and Takamine guitars were just to drool over, picked on up here in the states and was sadly dissapointd.
The biggest question to me, isn't your playing style but what you want in sound. Do you want big, and plugged in, or silent stage line out. And of course do you want to look cool and have people say, "What kind of guitar is that?!" ( joking a little) Eventhough I have a Gibson and a Martin I didn't get them for the name, I got them because they were the sound and look, feel I wanted. My Chet provides me a great recording guitar and stage guitar, that if needed I can use with heavier effects. My Line 6 is the same, though I use her more if I want something small and light to carry, or I just want one guitar or my set requires more sound. My Martin OMC-15e has nothing church related. It gets banged on by the kids, sees the beach, etc. My Martin is my third kid. I have a Parker p10e it was bought as a replacement guitar, I love it just don't play it that much cause it is just too pretty, sad to say. So it sits in the case in the closet.
I'm a medium to heavy strummer and chose my acoustics based off of the fact that they are an easy transition from my Parker Fly and Nitefly and Pm-20 Pro.
And yes I have a lot of guitars, I'm lucky to be a stay at home dad by day, worshiip leader youth guy at night. BUT I bought every guitar used, clearanced or liquidated. So I completely agree with Gurumonkey. But if you are interested in a Martin give them a call, they are pretty friendly to worship leaders and military. Mcphearson are as well, though you will still pay $4K. I lucked out I was in the market when the economy took a big dive and I had two jobs and my wife was getting a higher pay grade. But on eBay there are still a lot of guys needing the cash or the wife's are forcing the extra kids out. Good luck
Currently Being ModeratedOct 21, 2011 10:08 AM (in response to jesuscares)Re: Acoustic guitars for P & W.
I have had several acoustics over the years. My previous favourite 6 string was a thinline Alvarez (pre-Yari) that had a built in piezo pickup. Wonderfull guitar that played like an electric. The neck was more like an electric neck than acoustic. It would be over 20 years old now. My niece has it now.I would buy anouther one in a heartbeat if I could find one,
I had a used Goya 12 string that got through the gap between electrics. It was not what I would call a great guitar, but it was nice enough and had a reasonable sound. Unfortunately it it was broken during a fight when I wasn't even present. The next 12 string I got, and still have, is a Samick. Not great on the low end, so it sounds a little thin. I don't think it sounds as good as the Goya did, but heck, it is still a 12 string .
The only acoustic I bought new was a Garrison 6 string with a Fishman pickup system in it. When I consider what I paid for it, I think I got a bargain. You can read about them here. I was lucky enough to get one of the last full body systems. Shortly after I got mine, they switched to just a top bracing system and started shipping the parts overseas for assembly. They eventually got bought out by Gibson. Keep your eyes on Ebay. Not many people realize how good they are and you might be able to get a good deal on one. I saw one go by a few months ago for about $500. It was probably worth twice that, and from other people's reactions to mine, sounds like it is worth 3 times that .
If I was to advise a brand name, I would pick Garrison. For the money, they were remarkable sounding guitars. Go for the full body system if you can find one. They still have the edge over the top bracing system IMHO.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 21, 2011 11:52 AM (in response to jesuscares)Re: Acoustic guitars for P & W.
I play a Taylor 814ce for P&W. It sounds as good amplified as it does unamplified. The Taylor x14 series is very versitlie, I see them quite often for P&W. That said, play a few different guitars and listen to what plays well and sounds good to you.