Forgot to say - I mostly play blues and rock. I have exept for my Variax also a Strat and my pedal board. Use it today in a POD XT that is mounted in a rack together with my PA-amp of 2x 200W and hooked to a pair of PA-speakers. Works well both home and when playing small gigs.
As Space says, it's a difficult call. I would possibly look at the POD HD500 as a viable replacement for your POD XT given that the HD500 has Variax capability using VDI and comes ready as an all-in-one floor controller/processor which has the same capability as the POD HD Pro except in the area of i/o.
With a POD HD Pro you will need some way of controlling it which could either be in the form of a third party MIDI controller or one of Line 6's FBV pedal boards (FBV Shortboard MkII recommended for full capability but MkII Express, MkI Express and Shortboard will work in as far as they are able to).
The POD HD Pro is a very good rack mounted version in the POD HD/HD500/HD Pro family, but unless you particularly need the extra i/o options you may be able to save yourself some money towards purchasing a DT-25 sooner by opting for an HD500 instead.
In UK terms typical pricing is as follows in GBP (from the Internet this morning)
POD HD500 all-in-one solution = £409
POD HD Pro @ £629 plus FBV Shortboard MkII @ £169 = total £798
DT-25 combo = £620
I don't know where you live or what the pricing structure is like there, but I would expect something similar.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 3, 2011 1:31 AM (in response to Nick_Mattocks)Re: Buy a POD HD Pro or DT25...
I have the HD500 + DT25; if you can run to it you get a great sounding Amp + your direct PA output.
Just depends how much you relish that 'real' Amp sound...you need to go and hear it live.
DT25 sounds great and has a PA output, for blues rock you may be able to live with the 4 HD Models- lets face it, its like having 4 different valve amps on stage! You could also 4CM your existing POD for effects. You will however be carrying some extra weight (its heavy!)
All in all, I would go for just adding the HD500 to your set up, you are carrying no more than a pedal board and you have the most portable quality 'just plug in any PA' set up available
That's a tough call...I have an HD Bean, DT50 112 and DT25 head & cab...I also have an HD400, but it isn't getting as much use these days...
The amps....I love these amplifiers. I think they are fantastic and give some pretty amazing diversity of tone. I have a BCB 60 loaded with a bunch of stomps and a channel switch...I love using them this way as it is the way I came up. Seeing how you have pedalboard you like, I think a DT25 would be a great choice...If you have biased an amp before, you could likely do the DT25....the 12AX7 is the inverter...preamp is an HD modeler...
The HD bean is a lot like the HDPro in terms of the models and FX being the same...IO is the difference...Anyway, I love the HD bean...Most often I am using the bean to the power amp in of the DT25 and the DT50 together...I have also run the HD Bean to my SV112s...I have a MK1 and MK2...That work quite well also...the amp modeling is a different world from the XT IMHO...An HD with a PA-amp will blow the doors off an XT in a FRFR system I think...XT always sounded really run that way, but never really felt right to me run that way...I have an XT bean and if I run that into my SVs, it feels good...I have used it direct as the XT bean used to be my spare and I have to run direct into the PA a few times...It would do the job and people listening to show liked the tone, I never liked the way that felt...
I tend to lean toward recomending the HD Pro to you mainly because you have a Variax...It seems like a better fit at this point...You could always go to the DT amplifiers later on and I tend to think that the an HD POD might be a better place to start in your case...But you gotta mull that one over carefully...
Thanks friends. I realized afterwords that this was a tough call... even woke me up during the night for being rood ;-)). But it was also a bit of the intention, I need the input to go the right road.
I supply some pic's adding to my story, might be easier to understand whats going on in my head, or not...
Building my pedal boar I had two intentions – Therapy to cleanse the brain from work and to get a better tone. Worked for both, in specially the last one. So I decided to keep the board if possible. That's also the reason why I excluded the HD500, to much on the floor (looks like a great product though). With the Pro I could always add the FB or use my FCB1010 or build myself a small midi-board and add on my pedal board. My “demands” actually fit into a HD Bean (the I/o's not that important today, the loop could be). Today I have my XT mounted into a small rack with the Atomic adapter frame in front and included that in my stack, hope my pic's are visible. The HD Bean would actually fit strait into the frame... But the HD Bean does not have midi... otherwise my first choice. Even investigated to convert the FBV connector to midi via an Arduino board... still under investigation ( yes, I have the board and yes I spend to much time on building then to play;-)). Nice compact package, all in one stack. I had already decided to go for the HD Pro when I stumbled in to the DT25 and saw the English demo of it... totally freaked me out. So I tried the DT50 and the only disappointment I had was the “bed room mode” perhaps not a big issue as the DT25 isn’t that loud) (also made me think if I loos dynamics if I added a HD of any chöice). And it's the head and a cab that is the choice. It gives me a space issue home but I can always move one of my wife’s brick-a-brac’s... I wouldn’t have the acoustic choice either. Perhaps a reason to go for the real thing again... or run it through my PA through the supply box. One driver here is to go for a modern version of the real thing, tubes.
By the way I live in Sweden so I check prices in Germany, Holland and UK to see how they compete. About 5-10% more expensive in Sweden but it's local...
Your replies gave me some moor input, thanks for sharing your experiences. My comments above probably messed it all up again. But, probably go for the Pro with the motivation that – the input in the DT25 and the Pro is probably the same as its a “modeler” input in the DT25 and should handle my pedals, the midi implementation in the Pro with the last update, it fits my rack and even compress it a bit more (can be 6U or less), my Variax will fit, I can add any control I want afterwords... But it isn't tubes, or I can add that afterwords too... But the DT25 looks cooler...
Any comments feel free to add. Again thanks for your help and realy good input
I did not think for one minute that you were at all rude You asked some perfectly reasonable questions IMO. Ask as many questions as you like.
Personally - and this is just my take, I don't use any additional stomp boxes or pedals with the HD500 in my signal chain although I still have all my old Boss etc... FX. The HD500 does enough for me on its own. That might not be true for everybody of course, but it is for me
It's your call ultimately of course, but a saving of nearly 50% of the cost of a POD HD Pro plus FBV Shortboard by buying a POD HD500 is a big consideration to me, especially if my ultimate goal is to own a DT-25 amplifier too as in buying the HD500 over the HD Pro + FBV I get to keep more than half what a DT-25 combo is going to cost me.
I don't know what you have on your pedal board that you really couldn't get away without using if you had any of the POD HD, HD500 or HD Pro in your system. That's not my call to make In any event, the POD HD500 does have an FX loop so if there is anything particularly dear to your heart that you really cannot manage without, then you can include any additional pedals if you really need to - but yes I see that doing that would take up a little more floor space which is a disadvantage.
I understand what you're getting at and intend no disrespect with my thoughts above. I would highly recommend though that you find a stockist in your area which has both an HD500 and a DT-25 in stock that you can try out for a couple of hours in store with your Strat and Variax to see whether you can get near the sound you need.
I've used numerous pedals in my HD500's FX loop before the amp models and for the most part I get outstanding results. My current preferences are a Fulltone OCD and a Danelectro Transparent Overdrive. I don't use anything else like delays, phasers, flangers, etc., since I get great results with those models in the Pod. I run the HD500 into a DT50 112 with the L6 Link, but the results were great going into a PA also. BTW, the DT50 by itself sounds great with pedals also.
You ain't going to make it easy for me are you...;-))
I have during the afternoon been looking at this review again – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9E2eXXwW28, and some others. And I agree, there is some cool features using the HD500. And I had missed that it also had the effect loop. And you Jim is using it as I thought of doing, so thanks for that input. Using the HD500 and the stomps in the loop the cables in between is even shorter, definitely an advantage. And I had the same intention about delay, reverb etc fx, they are pretty good even in the XT. It's the dist/od/boost's I have had opinions about on the XT.
And Nick, as you say, it's cheaper to buy the HD500 and a DT25 then the road I'm on to. That speaks for the DT25-road and evaluate the next step depending on how the pedal board behaves.
Two questions as you have both the HD500 and DT25...
If you run the HD500 into a PA or run the guitar straight into the DT25, do you feel any difference in the dynamics/response of your playing/the sound/the feel or “the sound”?
In the video above I saw they changing patches during playing, 39.30 in. Doing that with the XT was a bit of “splatter”. That was really cool in the demo. Is that a HD-behavior or is it the combo with DT25? I don't think it “overlapped” but it was a very smooth change. Cool...
The pedals I have on the board is a Soulsonic Folk Drive (a boost with character), a BJF Honey Bee clone (pushed with the Folk Drive is great), BYOC OD2 (Tube Screemer...), Boss Blues Drive Monte Alum modded (“clean dist”) and a modded RAT clone (bit more heavy), all arranged in two loops, one “clean/OD” and one more to the dist part. A BYOC 5-knob Compressor and a Boss NS2 is also there (always on). The output from the board goes through a Lehle Transformer due to a ground loop I had (blow the USB port of my XT...). The tuner is a Korg PitchBlack 2. In the XT I only use two patches more or less, a Bassman for more of the clean and bluesy parts and a Soldano 100 for the more rocky ones. This argues for the DT25 doesn't it... except I will probably end up with a decent delay on my board too, poor me...;-).
So I'm still confused but on a higher level...
I really appreciate your responses. Even if you don't think so, I getting closer to a decision. so hit me hard
As far as "feel" when running into a PA or a DT, I won't go back to running direct to PA unless I have to. The DT50 definitely adds an organic and more dynamic tone & feel to the overall sound, just the way a good tube amp should. Very responsive to pick dynamics and guitar volume adjustments, even when using pedals in the loop. The DT series will also let you run direct to PA from an XLR output jack on the amp itself so you can get the best of both worlds - the tubey goodness and the ability to run that goodness to the PA.
To me there's no doubt that the POD HD500 paired with a DT-xx amp does provide the most natural sound if you are used to using a real amp. Pushing the output from the POD HD, POD HD500 or POD HD Pro into a decent PA system also sounds great, but for me it's better to go to a real guitar amp - even if it's my Marshall JVM
Going in to either my DT-50 or DT-25 works well if I need to go to PA as well because the cab emulated DI out on either DT amp does provide a very natural and accurate sound to PA based on what you hear from the DT amp's speaker.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 10, 2011 3:17 PM (in response to PerS)Re: Buy a POD HD Pro or DT25...
As a respect to your engagement to help me on track... I better give you the feed back how it ended.
First just at short recap – After your splendid comments and explanations I think I changed my mined at least three times. The DT25 hold me in a tight grip. Also a struggle between HD500 och HD Pro.
It ended up with the Pod HD Pro, I ordered one two days ago... correct or not... future will show. Will I add a DT25? Definitely, but not now because I just cant get the space to fit it in today. As it is a HD500 in a rack I think it will be great with the DT25, but can't have anything more on the floor, my wife forbid me. It also fits straight into my rack.
Again, thanks so much for your help