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Aeolianreflex Just Startin'
Aeolianreflex
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Dec 3, 2011 11:37 AM

Using HD500 Looper With DT25

I posted this question earlier in the HD forum but have not gotton any responses so I am hoping I have better luck here.

I am considering getting a DT25 for use with my HD500 and was wondering how the looper functioned when using two different topologies.

Say I want to loop a clean Fender sounding arpeggiated progression and then solo over using one of the high gain models and then add another layer with a different sound altogether. Since the DT25 can only use one topology at a time (I am assuming because it is analog), does the looped progression change tone or does it switch to a fully modeled tone or am I missing something? I am currently using PE60's and I use the looper a lot to layer parts when practicing and in a live setting as well.

Any insight from the group would be much appreciated!

  • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User
    TheRealZap
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    Dec 3, 2011 11:40 AM (in response to Aeolianreflex)
    Re: Using HD500 Looper With DT25

    it would be a mess... best to stick with one topology using the full models if you intend to utilize the looper like this.

  • markcockerill Just Startin'
    markcockerill
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    Dec 4, 2011 1:48 PM (in response to Aeolianreflex)
    Re: Using HD500 Looper With DT25

    I don't know if this is going to be of any help at all but I intend to try a completely different approach.

    It is my intent to do exactly what it is you are wanting to achieve, only from a different angle.

    It is only last week that I finally put the DT50 in the garage on a rather permanent basis and instead use the much preferred Mesa Boogie 50/50 stereo tube amp into a stereo Line6 4x12. I hook up JTV69 HD500 in full model mode studio direct and put an M13 in the effects loop in the last slot of the 500. I dual amp but because of processor limitations run the M13 for all my stereo only post effects, swelling in a stereo delay mix with EX1 and a choice of 3 fixed reverb types. I send out two jack to jack leads from the HD500 to the Mesa and 2 XLRs to the desk. (incidently, this rig sounds amazing in both cab and out front)

     

    Theoretically, the M13 should be able to record with it's looper and I believe it shouldn't change when I change to a solo patch on the HD500. I must stress that I have not tried this yet but intend to this week. I am sorry it may not be of much use to you at this time but I thought it worth putting my 10 pennies in. I'll come back later and let the forum know if this works ok.

     

    Regards

    • Aeolianreflex Just Startin'
      Aeolianreflex
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      Dec 5, 2011 5:57 PM (in response to markcockerill)
      Re: Using HD500 Looper With DT25

      Mark, That sounds like a workable approach but I was hoping to just use the HD500. I am trying to keep it as simple as possible and the looper works great with my Tech21's. Even if the backend topology changes on a DT25 the preamp modleing of the first loop should remain the same and that may be good enough for what I am trying to do. Still, I am very interested in how well your approach works out. Maybe I shouldn't have sold my M13 afterall....

      • markcockerill Just Startin'
        markcockerill
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        Jan 6, 2012 6:35 AM (in response to Aeolianreflex)
        Re: Using HD500 Looper With DT25

        Sorry it's taken a while to get back, been busy with the new band.

         

        I conducted the experiment in my previous post and I have to say the results are very good. I am able to use the looper on the M13 to record a rhythm section ie. clean or crunchy then change patch on the HD500 to solo over the top. The volume difference is exactly how I imagined it would be and highlights for me that the volume difference for my patches is just about spot on.

         

        There is no lag anywhere in the system because the Mesa tube amp isn't changing any channels or topologies.

         

        It's goning to take a time to get used to using the looper and jump on the solo patch but like everything in this business, practice makes perfect. As I am now the only guitarist in my new band, the system I now use will really come into it's own.

         

        I have now also made my own colour coded cables to length using Neutric branded angle jacks for every cable going in and out of the M13 and HD500, wah and EX1. My next job is to build a case big enough to house this lot for transport. Just a word of caution to the wise. If you do use steel barreled angle jacks, make sure they don't swivell into contact with each other (this happened at a gig and my sound simple cut out), I used some very nice cloth based tape to insulate each jack and they still look good.

         

        Hope it's of some use to anyone reading and Happy New Year to all.

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