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daferalo Iknowathingortwo 270 posts since
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Jan 6, 2012 9:26 AM

JTV 59 - Hum noise on mag pickups

Hi folks,

 

The jtv 59 is an excellent guitar and I am very happy with it. However I have an issue with mine and I would like to know if you guys have the same issue with yours, so that it might be a consequence of the guitar design, or maybe it is just mine.

 

Attached to this message, there is a sound sample of the "problem" (or behaviour if it would be expected). It corresponds to an unprocessed signal of the neck + bridge magnetic pickups of the guitar. The setup used to record the sample was like this: JTV 59 (no battery) - VDI connection - POD HD 500 (studio/direct as the output, variax ch 2 as input 1, mic as input 2, no amps nor effects added to the signal path, power supply connected into a voltage regulator) - USB cable - HP Pavilion dm4 laptop (powered by its battery). So I am totally sure there was no ground loops nor bad earth connections that came into action. Also, there was no DAWs, no audio external cards, no ASIO drivers other than those of the POD HD 500, and Cubase 5 was used as the recording software.

 

The problem is that in magnetic mode, when I am not touching anything metallic, there is a noticeable hum noise on magnetic pickups that comes up, which dissapears once I touch something metallic. It happens all the time, ALWAYS, no matter if the guitar is connected into the POD HD 500 or directly in front of an amp, through a VDI cable or a 1/4" one, in my house or at the rehearsal room.

 

The first 8 seconds of the sample were recorded without touching any metallic part of the guitar, and there is a noticeable hum noise that you can hear kind of easy. And remember that it is an unprocessed signal, so Imagine what would happen if a sort of gain is added? Once I touched something metallic (after then) in order to play a chord, the hum noise dissapeared (and the sound quality is very good). At the end of the sample, I let the strings untouched and the hum noise appeared again.

 

I think this is not an expected behaviour of the guitar, as it has humbuckers and I have also a cheap Washburn MG 24 from 1992 (US $ 200) which is totally noiseless. So I would like to know if the same happens with your guitars, so that it could be a consequence of guitar design.

 

Thanks. Best Regards,

 

Daf

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  • Nick_Mattocks Best of the Best 9,065 posts since
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    Jan 7, 2012 3:46 AM (in response to daferalo)
    Re: JTV 59 - Hum noise on mag pickups

    In my house where the electrical grounding is very very good I get no noise such as you describe with my JTV-59 or any of my other guitars (I have quite a few).

     

    In other houses where I've lived the saftey of the grounding has been good but the ability of the ground to carry away Radio Frequency Interference and general Electro-magentic Interference has been poor, so when I touch the strings it becomes my role to provide a better path to ground (for this purpose) than the electrical ground of the house wiring can.

     

    Elsewhere such as at rehearsal rooms or gig venues or a holiday cottage we rent regularly, to varying degrees I can experience similar to what you describe.

     

    It's not my guitar(s).  It is definitely due to the varying standard of the mains grounding in those other venues for me  It may or may not be the same for you.

     

    There is a slight possibility a shielding wire may not be connected in your guitar, in which case you have to take your guitar to an Authorised Service Centre to preserve your warranty and get the guitar checked out.  My feeling is that this won't be the case, but........ you never can be 100% sure without having it checked first hand.

     

    Nick

  • edstar1960 Iknowathingortwo 712 posts since
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    Jan 9, 2012 2:35 AM (in response to daferalo)
    Re: JTV 59 - Hum noise on mag pickups

    Hi Daf,

     

    I had a listen to your sound sample on headphones and I could not hear any hum - maybe its just me or my equipment but I could not hear it.

     

    Having said that, I do know exactly what you are speaking about having experienced it myself on at least 2 JTV59s.

    I was also told that this was just down to the guitar design and that all JTVs to some degree or other have hum from the mag pick ups when using the VDI cable, and that this was most likely down to the D/A convertor on the guitar and was being looked at by Line6.

     

    Nick has not had any issue with his JTVs and I didn't experience it with my first JTV59 (or at least I did not notice it). So maybe it does not affect all JTVs - maybe some are more prone to it than others and that may be down to slight differences in production or quality inconsistency with base hardware. Pure speculation on my part.

     

    I can tell you that my 2nd JTV59 suffered really badly from mag pickup hum, it went back to Line6 UK for repair and still had bad hum and earthing issues when it returned after having its main electronic components replaced.

    My 3rd JTV59 does exhibit the problem but only slightly so I can live with it.

     

    I have both an X3L and an HD500.  If I use my JTV59 with my X3L then I can barely notice any issue, but if I use the HD500 then it is quite obvious, however, if I ensure my HD500 is connected to either an amp, a mixer or a powere PA speaker that is plugged in (not switched on - just plugged in) then the hum levels are comparable to what I get with my X3L.  I believe this is because the X3L power supply provides an earth but the HD500 one does not, therefore, if I provide the HD500 with an earth route then the hum becomes much quieter.  Does your JTV59 hum problem get much quieter if you ensure the HD500 is connected to an amp, mixer, PC that has an earth connection?  Or does it make no difference?

     

    The other interesting thing you state is that you get the same problem when using the 1/4 jack, and I think I had that issue with the 2nd JTV59, but that one generally seemed to have a bad earth problem. It doesn't seem to be an issue with my 3rd JTV59 but I haven't tested that for a while as I always use the VDI cable, plus I am using it mainly with my X3L which does have better earthing then the HD500, but I know that my current JTV will produce a little earth fizz/grounding sound when I touch the strings particularly on high gain settings, but I get the same thing off my Gibson LP Standard, but I don't get it on any of my other humbucking equipped guitars.

     

    I hope my experiences have helped you a little.  You are certainly not alone.

     

    In my opinion, from listening to your sound sample, I don't think your JTV has a fault, and I think if you sent it in to Line6 to look at then they may very well say the same thing.  I don't think the JTV59 should have any hum issues, but I know from experience that some do and that some are more noisy than others and the line where that noise moves into unacceptable will depend very much on your own preferences and will vary from person to person.

     

    If you have no other problems with your JTV59 and if the hum is something that you can live with or work around then, although it may be annoying, my advice would be to stick with it for now and wait to see if Line6 provide either a firmware or hardware solution for the issue.

     

    Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

     

    Best Regards


    Eddie

  • spikey Just Startin' 378 posts since
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    Jan 11, 2012 1:54 PM (in response to daferalo)
    Re: JTV 59 - Hum noise on mag pickups

    OTOH, The 1st variax JTV69 that I had was noisy as hell with the pickups selected until I touched the strings, just as you stated.

    However the 2nd one I have now is very quiet. My house wiring has not changed... YMMV... ; )

      • Line6Don Line 6 Support 5,274 posts since
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        Jan 20, 2012 11:45 AM (in response to daferalo)
        Re: JTV 59 - Hum noise on mag pickups

        As I mentioned in our open support ticket, you can have the guitar repaired under warranty. To our knowledge this is part of the design of the guitar, as the pickups are wired to the bridge to be grounded as most guitars are. For more information about warranty repair, you can review the information at the links below:

         

        http://line6.com/support/docs/DOC-4838

         

        More information about Line 6 repairs in general is available at the link below:

         

        http://line6.com/support/docs/DOC-1606

        • spikey Just Startin' 378 posts since
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          Jan 23, 2012 6:46 PM (in response to Line6Don)
          Re: JTV 59 - Hum noise on mag pickups

          Don, are the guitars single point grounded, or are they grounded all over the inside of the cavity?

           

          This and proper shielding makes a huge difference in the noise.

           

          Daf, yes the 1st was returned for that and other issues.

          • Line6Don Line 6 Support 5,274 posts since
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            Jan 24, 2012 10:03 AM (in response to spikey)
            Re: JTV 59 - Hum noise on mag pickups

            They are grounded to multiple points within the cavity as well as the bridge.

            • spikey Just Startin' 378 posts since
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              Jan 25, 2012 7:51 PM (in response to Line6Don)
              Re: JTV 59 - Hum noise on mag pickups

              Can you request a change to single point grounding Don?

               

              Thanks

              • Line6Don Line 6 Support 5,274 posts since
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                Feb 1, 2012 8:20 AM (in response to spikey)
                Re: JTV 59 - Hum noise on mag pickups

                After clarifying this with our repair tech, it is classified as a single point ground guitar. There are mulitple runs that ground to one point within the cavity.

                  • Line6Don Line 6 Support 5,274 posts since
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                    Feb 1, 2012 8:21 AM (in response to daferalo)
                    Re: JTV 59 - Hum noise on mag pickups

                    The main ground point is located underneath the tone controls.

                      • Line6Hugo Line 6 6,580 posts since
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                        Feb 2, 2012 11:47 AM (in response to daferalo)
                        Re: JTV 59 - Hum noise on mag pickups

                        It's tought to tell if there is a problem with you guitar.  Listening to the audio you provided, I really don't hear anything problematic.  All magnetic pickup equipped guitars have some level of noise or hum that lessens when you touch the hardware that is grounded.

                         

                        If the noise you are experiencing is louder than normal hum from magnetic pickups, it may need to be serviced.  Where was the guitar purchased from and where are you located?

                         

                        Regards,

                         

                        Line6Hugo

                      • Line6Don Line 6 Support 5,274 posts since
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                        Feb 2, 2012 3:28 PM (in response to daferalo)
                        Re: JTV 59 - Hum noise on mag pickups

                        As I mentioned above:

                         

                        "There are mulitple runs that ground to one point within the cavity." The guitar has multple points where it is grounded internally within the cavity, one of which is on the bridge, but all of the ground then are grounded to a single ground point on the guitar.

                        • spikey Just Startin' 378 posts since
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                          Feb 17, 2012 10:26 PM (in response to Line6Don)
                          Re: JTV 59 - Hum noise on mag pickups

                          http://www.guitarnuts.com/wiring/shielding/shield3.php

                           

                          Line6Don wrote:

                           

                          As I mentioned above:

                           

                          "There are mulitple runs that ground to one point within the cavity." The guitar has multple points where it is grounded internally within the cavity, one of which is on the bridge, but all of the ground then are grounded to a single ground point on the guitar.

                           

                          Don, Please see the site listed above. This is true single point grounding.... I know because I have followed this many times since 1st reading it, and it worked for me.

                          FYI- Just soldering the grounds kinda close to one another all over the pot cavity (Like Fender and a few others do) is NOT single point grounding.

                          I know that is not what you are saying , Im just being clear as to what single point grounding is because it works when its done right.

                           

                          Thanks

  • praguebob Just Startin' 2 posts since
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    Feb 13, 2012 4:42 AM (in response to daferalo)
    Re: JTV 59 - Hum noise on mag pickups
    I was getting a hum noise (sometimes worse, sometimes better - seemingly random) on the mag pickups of my JTV-59  which I solved completely by tightening the three-way switch, which was slightly loose (I could turn it with my fingers).

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