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goodapolloIV Just Startin' 7 posts since
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May 12, 2009 11:12 AM

The Writing Process

My brothers and sisters in arms, I have a question for you all as metal musicians:

 

What is your writing process like?

 

This of course can stem out to how you get yourself inspired before a session, how you interact with your fellow musicians or bandmates, where you find your hands on your instrument - anything.

To me, it just seems something not often discussed since I'm sure we all do it so differently.

 

Personally, I'll admit that it's tough for me to get inspired to write something, but there's one place where it happens most - my car.

On a drive home, during my normal vehicular jam session, I'll hear something that'll stick out and make me think, "I need to write something at least fractionally as awesome".

 

From there, I get home and start play some scales and chords trying to get that "feel" that the lick from earlier gave me.

As a structure comes together, I invite my buddy Abe over to play some Bass and write a fullblown song.

 

I have no doubt that you ladies and gents have some more science to your method and I'm looking forward to hearing some of it. :]

  • sofnwhat Just Startin' 687 posts since
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    May 12, 2009 12:47 PM (in response to goodapolloIV)
    Re: The Writing Process

    I can't tell you how many songs that I've written on the toilet. Long before I knew EVH did that too. If we were suck for a part my bassist would tell to go home, sit on the pot to figure it out. Normally I'd write the songs at home by myself. I'd have the verse and chorus and sometime a pre-chorus, basically an outline. Then I'll show it to the band and we'd jam on it. Then we'd tweak it, figure out if it needs another part or a part that need reworked. I don't smoke so I'll noodle around when when someone steps out. I'll playing something mindless, not even paying attention. Someone will say stop, play that again. Songs have came out of that. Alot of those are writtem on spot as as you'd hear it. I played a part, naturally switch to another part or two. That's it, come up with an intro and we got another song. I have been baned from noodling at practice before because we'd have too new many songs in the oven at once. My favorite part of playing guitar is creating.

  • wardick Just Startin' 378 posts since
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    May 12, 2009 4:37 PM (in response to goodapolloIV)
    Re: The Writing Process

    Back in the day when I had nothing but spare time I would get and idea for song either lyric, music or sometimes both.  I would set down and work out the entire song music and lyrics usually with a day.

     

    Now things are more complicated.  Same process for the most part, but it takes weeks or months.  Riffs and other ideas are recorded so they aren't forgetten.  Lyrics written down along the way or after the fact.   Then at some point it all gets force fit together and evolves into a song.

     

    I liked it better old way when things were done concurrently.  The songs are equally good/bad hit/miss regardless of method.

  • Insidian Just Startin' 349 posts since
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    May 12, 2009 7:43 PM (in response to goodapolloIV)
    Re: The Writing Process

    I spend alot of my time during work on the road, and that's where most of my ideas start. I have to scrounge around and find something to scribble the notes and timing down on so I dont forget before I get home(which I frequently do). Then I get a basic structure down and present it to the rest of the band. Everyone adds their input, we make whatever tweaks are necessary, and that's about it. On occassion, we'll just be randomly jamming at practice and a song will whip itself up, 5 minutes and viola! I love it when that happens.

     

     

  • maik211 Just Startin' 59 posts since
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    May 13, 2009 6:20 AM (in response to goodapolloIV)
    Re: The Writing Process

    "I can't tell you how many songs that I've written on the toilet."

     

    Me too...but the problem is to get everything else (funny stories, jokes, rubbish, ect) out of my head. Toilets are so creative!

    My problem is that I have music in my head (only if I´m NOT concentrated). Oh, the music is not the problem-only to make it louder!

  • donfrantz Just Startin' 277 posts since
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    May 13, 2009 6:44 AM (in response to goodapolloIV)
    Re: The Writing Process

    Any of you guys familiar with St. Vincent?  She's not your typical female singer/somgwriter--here's her pedalboard:

     

    St. Vincent Pedalboard.png

     

    but anyway, she's developed a way to write songs by taking aspects of music composition and putting them into a spreadsheet on her computer--she comes up with some very different and cool stuff.

  • cgtrox Expert Line 6 User 1,638 posts since
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    May 13, 2009 11:13 AM (in response to goodapolloIV)
    Re: The Writing Process

    I used to have one of those little mini tape machines and used it EVERYWHERE! In my car, rehearsal, shopping, work, etc. If I ever got an idea I would sing into it or say the lyric or song title that would inspire a complete song. Sometimes I even find a little piece of paper in my wallet or laying around somewhere with a cool little lyric, concept or song title on it. Many a song were written like that! Now I have a voice recorder on my cell phone that I use for it. I have the capapbilities to record all the drums, bass, keys, guitars, etc. at my disposal so when I present a song to the band it is pretty much complete. I just tell the guys to do their thang but to kinda stay in the ballpark.

     

    I love the epiphany toilet idea! LOL!!   

     

    cgtrox

  • stumpsout Just Startin' 895 posts since
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    May 13, 2009 11:45 AM (in response to goodapolloIV)
    Re: The Writing Process

    I just jam whatever comes out into Riffworks.

    I end up with more than I can handle, then pick what I like the most.

  • TimmyHate Just Startin' 7 posts since
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    Jul 8, 2009 10:23 PM (in response to goodapolloIV)
    Re: The Writing Process

    Our band tends to write almost everything in the rehersal room. Normally the drummer comes up with a beat or the guitarist with a riff and they'll jam it out a bit, then the rest of us will throw ideas arounds untill something comes out of it. Then we record it on my cellphone voice recorder so we can remember it haha.

  • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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    Jul 8, 2009 11:19 PM (in response to goodapolloIV)
    Re: The Writing Process

    We are 3 peice with a singer. Our singer is what I call a "jazz idiot sevant". He plays enough guitar to be dangerous but basically is able to accompany himself just enough to write. He hears the entire song in his head and his vocal melodies are very mature. He knows that his chords on guitar are not what he hears as he only know major, minors and 7ths and his melodies use chords that make me work hard to find...Anyways, he will play us his song and describe the meaning and then he usually ends up leaving the room for 20 minutes while the 3 of us come up with something that fits the idea. He comes back and we start refining and trying things...

     

    It is honestly the most creatively free musical situation I have ever been in. As an arranger I thrive when I have a melody and structure to pull from. It has been quite rare for me to write a song end to end as I am just not really built that way (I have written about 10 myself in 25 years of doing music)...I can come up with original riffs, breaks and whatever all day long but I rarely know where to go with those small ideas. Also, our drummer listens...We have all played in jazz groups and orchestra so the repoire is very natural for us....Things move along nice and quick and those guys push me to be better...Vamping and improv on ideas is a blast with those guys...I am so thankful that it has worked out like it has...It has taken us 2 years to get the first album nearly finished since we only can get together about 3 hours a week.

    • Franko4 Just Startin' 3 posts since
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      Jul 16, 2009 10:23 AM (in response to spaceatl)
      Re: The Writing Process

      As far as lyrics go, i would write down wicked sounding phrases and just collect em. There was a time when i had a whole drawr next to my bed stuffed with them to the point they where starting to crumple.. Mind you it was a fairly small drawer but still. I would write down "The beast with eyes" and a month later i would think of "Stare a whole in my head" then its just slot A-->B. Of course you would have to fill in the spaces but every once and a while i could write an intire song at one sitting. I love it when i get that flow going.

       

      With guitar melodies i some what beat box a metal beat then add a ****** up melody to it.

  • GORILLA Just Startin' 16 posts since
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    Aug 27, 2009 10:34 PM (in response to goodapolloIV)
    Re: The Writing Process

    I have a small cassette recorder my Wife got me and I use it when beats/ or riffs climb into my ear drums!! Sometimes.... I'll be sleeping at night and a riff comes in and I have to get up. Turn on things and record that thing before I forget it!! When I write stuff for my solo stuff I start with the drums (yeah weird !). Then guitars and everything else. I don't know how many tunes I've made backwards!! Did the ending first, then the rest of the tune!

  • gunpointmetal Just Startin' 171 posts since
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    Apr 1, 2011 3:10 PM (in response to goodapolloIV)
    Re: The Writing Process

    For me it always starts with one riff, and I never have a melody or note order, just a rhythmic idea. I'll usually start messing with the idea and fitting notes into the rhythm. Once I have a solid riff its usually pretty easy to work from or to, or both. Then its programmed drums, and I demo my "song" for the band. We rarely play anything that has a formal structure, its more like a journey from Point A to Point Wherever with very little repitition, so the demos usually get broken down outside of rehearsal, re-arranged by all band members on the computer, then we bring 'em all together and fit the arrangements and peices we all like together. For me music is entirely mathematical process, as I have absolutely no ear for pitch, so when I want to create something that has a certain feel, I know what shapes/chords/note progressions can achieve said feel but I can't ever hear what it sounds like till I actually play it. Often times my writing process stems from challenging myself to write something cohesive in an odd time signature and craft a song based on either the time signature or the riff. I'm a big fan of noise and chaos, so diminished scales and chromatics abound.

    • solemncompany Just Startin' 10 posts since
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      Apr 1, 2011 4:47 PM (in response to gunpointmetal)
      Re: The Writing Process

      Musically, I usually try to capture a particular sort of mood--usually "grandiose" or "epic" or "angry"--and mess around with individual notes until I can string enough together to form a decent riff. I'm also a big fan of picking a chord progression I like and improvising melodies over it, then trying really hard to remember what I just played (so the multitrack recorder I just got is a big help). Sometimes one of the other guys in my band will come up with a lick or two, but I do most of the writing.

       

      Lyrically...fantasy novels. Lots of them. I pick out the cool phrases and write them down in ways that rhyme (usually).

  • unclejason Just Startin' 49 posts since
    Oct 13, 2007
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    Apr 3, 2012 11:42 AM (in response to goodapolloIV)
    Re: The Writing Process

    For me, lyrics seems to present themselves in my head at the most inopportune times. It's not one of those activites where you can set aside a specific time, sit down and start writing. I mean, sure, sometimes it works out that way, but very rare. Usually extreme life-events inspire (or someone else's life-event; I've always been able to mentally put myself in their shoes and feel what they're going through, and create lyrics from that).

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