Feb 12, 2012 9:04 PM
use just the 4 DT25 sounds with the HD 500
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if you leave the amps or Preamps blank in the HD500 programming with HD500 EDIT is it possible to set up just the I , II, III, IV modes on the DT25. and use just those sounds and the effects in the HD500. and will it sound the same as if you were pluged directly into the amp with a 1/4 guitar cable.
Yes. If you leave the amp block in the HD500 unoccupied the amp defaults to Channel B and on Channel B you can do what you want with amp modelling.
Nick
Is it possible to save these settings? Can I set some effects in front of the preamp and some behind the preamp?
Seems like...
Saving = yes
Before preamp = yes
Not knowing exactly how you are planning to run this, the POST answer should be yes as well, but NO if it's just like plugging into the 1/4" jack on the front of the amp.
I understand the concept of just using the POD HD to access the features on the DT, not sure exactly how you want your patches to work other than without any modeled amp sounds?
Take care,
Neal
I would like to connect the HD500 and the DT50 with the Line6 Link Jack. Then I want to use the DT25 Premp Models and the HD500 Effekts. Some Effekts in front of the DT25 Models and some Effects behind the preamp.
Tom
Hi
If you are using one of the POD HD units that has an FX Loop (HD500/POD HD Pro) you can employ what's known as the 4 Cable Method of connection, however, this is an analogue connection rather than by L6 Link so you'd lose amp control from the POD and you'd be using your DT-25 like a standard amp, so this may not be exactly what you want to do.
Remember that when using L6 Link, the POD is normally your pre-amp, and also remember that the 4 Pre amp models you find in your DT-25 stand-alone are also in your POD HD500 in identical form, meaning that you don't really need to worry about the sounds from your amp in stand-alone mode as you can get them from the POD HD500 and DT-25 combination anyway, and using the POD's signal chain with some FX placed before the amp block and some FX being placed afer the amp block (when loaded with A PRE amp model) you are doing the same thing as you're asking about - i.e. placing some FX bfore the pre amp and others between the pre-amp and power amp.
Now if you want to use Channel B on the DT-25 within a patch on the HD500, you can simply assign a Foot Switch toggle on/off to the amp model in use on the HD500 and this would mean that when the HD500 amp model is ON you would see the DT-25 Channel A LED lit on the amp's front panel, but when you switch the amp model OFF on the HD500 the DT-25 will flick over to Channel B and the controls on the amp will be active, however you can't save those DT-25 Channel B settings with the HD500 patch you're using - they are dynamic settings and you could use them to create a standard Lead guitar tone or a Clean tone for instance.
There's lots of ways you can configure the HD500 and DT-25 depending on what it is exactly you want to do. The HD500 is a very flexible piece of kit and can be made to fit most scenarios in my experience, and if not directly, the use of workarounds can help achieve what you want to do.
Nick
I can't seem to figure out which amp models in the POD HD500 correspond to the 4 on the DT-25 (I have upgraded to 1.43). Anyone know?
I agree,
Test : with the same parameters (drive, bass,…) of preamp (exemple blackface fender preamp), the sound are really really differents between podHD and DT25. I prefer from far the DT's one!!
So the question is…Does Line 6 give us a way to pilot the entire functions of the DT25, wich are really good ones, NOTHING MORE! NOTHING LESS!
If not, I would be very disapointed, as many others i think…and maybe I'll have to send back this brand new amp, because it's not a finished product.
I suggest the following to get the results you are looking for...
Lastly - you need to do the following to get the utmost from the DT25 amp you have...
To access Channel B you must do the following for all four of your A-D Amp patches.
I hope this small instruction guide helps you discover what your gear is capable of doing.
Take care and best of luck,
Neal
PS - if you like this guide and it does help you get what you're looking for. I'd appreciate it if you posted how this worked for you. I can't learn more unless others write back and let me know how my suggestions or instructions worked for them. Thanks.
Thanks Neal. I don't have the DT-25 just yet but I've been doing a LOT of reading about it over the past few months. You don't get to play to this extent in the shop so it is great to get advice and feedback on how this gear can be set up.
I knew you could switch the amp to channel b by turning the amp model off, but having the five amp per ABCD block explained in your very clear and detailed guide is excellent, so thanks.
I have been following the 'DT sounds different to the hd' discussion for quite a while and I am interested to find out by my own ears in a few days when I get my DT25. I'm not having a go at anyone, but I have read some very comprehensive posts on these forums (maybe by MeAmBobbo, maybe Nick Mattocks, maybe another legend of the forums) that suggested that it is possible to get the same tones with the hd+DT as comes out of the standalone DT. My personal take is that if I can get good tones out of the hd+DT with the real tube warmth, I'm a happy man. Can't wait to hear with my own ears.
One question though. Why do they need to be full amp models, rather than pre? I know some prefer pre and some full. Just wondering if it essential to your set up.
I agree,
Test : with the same parameters (drive, bass,…) of preamp (exemple blackface fender preamp), the sound are really really differents between podHD and DT25. I prefer from far the DT's one!!
So the question is…Does Line 6 give us a way to pilot the entire functions of the DT25, wich are really good ones, NOTHING MORE! NOTHING LESS!
If not, I would be very disapointed, as many others i think…and maybe I'll have to send back this brand new amp, because it's not a finished product.
Hi
Can anybody tell me what the 4 voicings on the DT 25 / 50 equal on the Pod HD 500
If the voicings are supposed to be in the HD500 why such a problem saving the DT25 basic setup and being able to switch between the 4 basic voicings ?
cheers
G
HI,
Up until now i though i was stupid but it's seems i'm not alone. Thanks for this. I Have the same question as i really appreciate DT 25 sounds and i'd love to pilot them from HD500 but i never achieved.
I tryed Merlin's way but got lost, i achieved to set channel B when turn off the amp model on HD but i have tons of reverb even when DT's one is "0".
And even doing this sound isn't the same.
I didn't found as well the hd pre amp settings that sounds like DT.
Anyone from Line 6 can help us on these topic ?
I was really impressed with the amp ( and still be) but i'd love to use it with HD in this way cause i'm frustrated on this part .
Thanks
You have tons of reverb because the reverb control on the DT is always active, and independent of the HD500's reverb. Turn down the reverb on the amp, and you can control it from the HD>
RSB63 wrote:
HI,
Up until now i though i was stupid but it's seems i'm not alone. Thanks for this. I Have the same question as i really appreciate DT 25 sounds and i'd love to pilot them from HD500 but i never achieved.
I tryed Merlin's way but got lost, i achieved to set channel B when turn off the amp model on HD but i have tons of reverb even when DT's one is "0".
gtrman probably answered the reverb question 100% on the money.
I'm sorry my instruction i laid out step by step were confusing to get you lost.
I then suggest the following to all those - which are far more than I'd have ever guessed - I suggest using the POD HD units in the following way since those who are in love with the DT amps sound without the HD unit in front or L6 Linked. I suggest one of these two options...
If these options aren't good enough or don't do what anyone who loves the direct sound of their DT amp but can't get the same in conjunction with the HD unit connected or L6 Linked. I'm out of suggestions and then would have to suggest waiting until Line 6 employees (or best of all - the actual designers of both these units.
Do ya think those two (or more) groups of people worked together literally comparing how the units each group working on works together in a physical real world test, or did they just send memos back and forth between the halls @ L6 HQ? Never once having hooked them together before putting all this gear out into the hands of the public?
It also makes no sense to me, that if the digital part of the two unit's "guts" are perhaps different, yet supposedly should react/sound the same...then why is it all these posts are here saying no one -or hardly anyone- can get the same sound plugging direct to DT they love yet they cannot plug into HD-L6 Link-DT and get the same result?
I have some patches in HD500 via L6 link, with no amp selected, working with chanel B, and have no problems at all!! The sound is the same, and I control everything on DT25 chanel B! Of course I use always the same amp sound in those patches, the only thing different are the effects on HD 500! Other amps (patches) , I use chanel A(HD 500). I understand lots of you likes the DT 25 standalone sound, but it's possible to a closer closer sound in HD! If we have both, let's tweak the gear to get our sound! Chosing the right amp ( pre-amp), tweaking the pre-amp model, NO CAB!!!, routing carefully the effects, will make you sound great! For exemple i route everything to left and pan center, then i mute the right chanel on the mixer! It worked for me! the 1M input for me worked also! Normal mode! the AES/EBU cable makes a huge diference in my case! I remember one gig i forgot it and used a normal XLR -----my sound was not the same (harsh)...
Thanks all for your answers, i ordered a new AES/EBU xlr maybe it's due to this cause i took one of my band. I'll get it soon and come back to you. Thanks for your time. You were right for reverb, i thought putting it to 0 on channel B was enough but when i cut it from channel A it went a lot better as on HD.
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