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mput Just Startin' 66 posts since
Nov 4, 2007
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Feb 26, 2012 1:11 PM

DT 50 questions

Hey guys i have a few questions about the DT50 112 combo. I use an Atomic 50 112 FRFR amp right now and im happy with it but am thinking about switching. First is it loud enough to use in a band situation? Second when switching topologies are the relays and such loud enough to be heard through the pa when the cab is miced?  Are you guys happy with your tone? Is there anything i should be worried about as far as will this thing last a long time?

 

I have a 4x12 cab so is there a way to disable the speaker and use the 4x12 cab only?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

M

  • Rowbi Expert Line 6 User 7,745 posts since
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    Feb 26, 2012 1:55 PM (in response to mput)
    Re: DT 50 questions

    mput wrote:

     

    Hey guys i have a few questions about the DT50 112 combo. I use an Atomic 50 112 FRFR amp right now and im happy with it but am thinking about switching. First is it loud enough to use in a band situation? Second when switching topologies are the relays and such loud enough to be heard through the pa when the cab is miced?  Are you guys happy with your tone? Is there anything i should be worried about as far as will this thing last a long time?

     

    I have a 4x12 cab so is there a way to disable the speaker and use the 4x12 cab only?

     

    Thanks in advance.

     

     

    M

    yes these are LOUD amps!

    there's a quiet audible click when switching some of the topologies, but it's not loud, it's quiet compared to the amps overall volume....  if you keep switching back and forth a lot in a very short time, it can pop a bit, but that's to do with the physics of the changes in the power amp. but that's not a real world scenario.

    tone's great.

     

    the speaker is connected with a cable at the back of the amp.  disconnect that and plug in any cab you like while the amp is off.  there's taps for 4, 8 and 16 ohms.

     

    rowbi

  • whiteop Just Startin' 415 posts since
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    Feb 29, 2012 6:45 PM (in response to mput)
    Re: DT 50 questions

    Is it loud enough? Let me put it this way. On full power mode I only turn my master volume to about the 9 o'clock position and it's plenty loud enough in a church setting. On 1/2 (low )power mode I turn it to about the 11:30 - 12:00 position. No popping that I can hear when it changes topologies that comes through the speakers; just the clicking of the relays but you can't hear it  (through the speakers).

    • daferalo Iknowathingortwo 270 posts since
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      Mar 4, 2012 7:05 PM (in response to whiteop)
      Re: DT 50 questions

      whiteop escribió:

       

      Is it loud enough? Let me put it this way. On full power mode I only turn my master volume to about the 9 o'clock position and it's plenty loud enough in a church setting.

      And the dynamic and the feeling of the tubes are good enough at those volume levels that you are using?

       

      Best Regards,

       

      Daf

      • sopachrga Just Startin' 80 posts since
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        Mar 5, 2012 11:01 AM (in response to daferalo)
        Re: DT 50 questions

        Remember this is a 50Watt amp if you run that through a 4x12 it will be very loud.

         

        You start to get the natural power tube overdrive and compression around 50% on the master volume. At this point the amp is loud enough for any band situation. I use an attenuator (Marshall power brake) with mine so I can keep the master volume at 50% but still have the flexibility of being quieter if needed. I find with the master any lower than that you don't really get the advantage of the power tubes (e.g. overdive and dynamics) and much higher you lose too much clean headroom.

        • daferalo Iknowathingortwo 270 posts since
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          Mar 5, 2012 2:56 PM (in response to sopachrga)
          Re: DT 50 questions

          Thank you very much for the answer.

           

          So from your words, is it better to have the DT 25 112 combo? I am planning to buy one DT amp series, but I do not know which one is the best for a band situation, and for practice at home.

           

          Best Regards,

           

          Daf

          • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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            Mar 5, 2012 5:28 PM (in response to daferalo)
            Re: DT 50 questions

            Go for the DT50 is what I would suggest...

             

            I have both a DT25 head and a DT50 112 combo. Not into attenuators...I do attenuate my power, but I do it with the speaker and cab configuration I have chosen to use...I don't agree with the generalizarion that the master has to be at half to sound good...For some modes that certainly seems to give more power amp love, but that isn't always what I am looking for in a tone and an attenuator compromises the dynamics of a clean tone quite a lot...great way to lose the Fender spank is to put an attenuator on it...anyway, just my opinion...

             

            IMHO the DT50 is just enough power for a larger venue or outdoors...DT25 is just enough power for smaller indoor things...If you have a real drummer, no plexi-glass and he is a heavy hitter with something like a Tama treadplate shell snare, then a DT25 will likely be under-powered for you...a 412 cab running at 4 ohms helps the efficiency of a DT25 in this situation, but I still find it running right on the edge and it is underpowered for Fender spank in a live situation...

            • daferalo Iknowathingortwo 270 posts since
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              Mar 6, 2012 8:21 PM (in response to spaceatl)
              Re: DT 50 questions

              Hi spaceatl,

               

              Thanks for your reply. Are you the guy using a DT 25 in class AB and a DT 50 in class A at the same time?

               

              I am afraid that when using the DT 25 in class A, the amp would be too much quiet for a band situation, wouldn't it?

               

              Two questions:

               

              1) Is it possible to low the output of the amp by lowering the channel volume level or the mixer level in the POD HD 500, without compromising the dynamics, the feeling and the headroom response of the amp and taking full advantage of tube section by turning up the amp's volume knob?

               

              2) Which DT 50 do you recommend: the 112 or 212 combo? what is the advantage of the additional vintage celestion speaker? Would it be possible to get the same tone with the two amps (maybe by EQing a little)?

               

              Thanks again for the help.

               

              Best Regards,

               

              Daf

              • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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                Mar 6, 2012 9:34 PM (in response to daferalo)
                Re: DT 50 questions

                I have used my DT50 112 and DT25 head a lot of different ways....Yes, these days I very much like running the DT50 Class A and the DT25 Class AB...But I generally only use that setup for shows...I rehearse with the DT25 quite often and it works quite well...I never use it with the stock cab in a rehearsal...I have a 4 ohm 212 sealed cab that works great with it...I also have an 8 ohm 212 sealed cab...the DT25 works much better with the 4 ohm cab...Too cranked with the 8 ohm cab as the power is reduced a bit with that load...On the 4 ohm cab the DT25 works a lot better, but the DT50 kills it for the Fenderish cleans...The DT25 simply isn't enough power to get those dynamics...Even the DT50 is under powered to render a true to life twin, but it's close enough...

                 

                taking full advantage of the power section...Not sure how to answer that one...But I tend to take a slightly different approach for live vs recording situations...I am not into using an attenuator...While it can really help get the master up and help with getting a most awesome crunch, lead, dirt or what ever it is where you are want that tone that is pushing the crap out of the power section I find that it compromises clean tones...I don't want my Fenderish clean attenuated...I want the spank to jump out of the speaker box and grab me around the neck...

                 

                I find that most of the time I end up running the DT50 around 10 o'clock...When I use my DT50 112 alone, I use it with my 212 sealed 8 ohm cabinet...My DT50 is loaded with a 16 ohm Jenson Jet Tornado...the combined load is 5.3 ohms and I run that on the 4 ohm tap...This is actually a very slight attenuation as the speakers I am using have an SPL rating that is slightly lower than the stock speakers...1.3 ohms higher on the load takes tiny amount off also...My channel volumes vary from 10oclock to full...depends on the model...Using a 16 ohm speaker when I take the DT50 alone to rehearsal I can crank the master a bit more than with the stock GH90 8 ohms speaker...higher load means just about - 3db on output, so I am attenuating the amp...just doing it by selecting the speakers that match what I want...sorta like selecting pickups...It's a personal preference...

                 

                recording I definitely work with the channel master relationship...anyway, I have not found a need to add load resistors to my chain...I am not into that...I would rather use lower SPL speakers and move it in the right direction...

                 

                there is something to that GH90/V30 combination...I loaded one of my 212s that way...It's a cool vibe...But I am not the right person to ask about Celestions...I can't stand them for myself...Jenson Jet Tornado is my speaker of choice these days...

                 

                The DT50 112 is a heavy amp...I think the 212 is pushing 80 lbs...I am a 112 combo with a 212 sealed cab underneath kinda guy....I run my SVs that way and my DT50 that way...So I would tell you to get a 112 and add a cab if you need it...But then what works for me might now be right for you...I can just tell you what I like...

                • daferalo Iknowathingortwo 270 posts since
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                  Mar 8, 2012 11:11 AM (in response to spaceatl)
                  Re: DT 50 questions

                  Thank you very much for your input spaceatl,

                   

                  I think I would go for the DT 50 212, but I am really worried about not "taking full advantage of  the amp's tube section" on the tone. I mean, I am not the most experience person on how an amp works, but when using my JTV 59 + POD HD 500 I go through the effect loops return of a Vox AC 30 TB combo (using full amp simulation on POD, 1/4" outs set to Line, and POD's master volume all the way up), so that I set the VOX master volume between 10% or 20%, and the sound is plenty enough for the rehearsals. I really like the way my tones sounds, but I am tired of tweaking, tweaking, tweaking, and........... re-tweaking the tones on my pod, according to the situation I am. That is why I would like to buy a DT amp in order to use it everywhere (maybe tweaking would be very little needed), and I do not really mind to carry a 40 kg amp.

                   

                  That is why I was asking about the possibility to low the output of the amp by lowering the channel volume level or the mixer level in the POD HD 500, without compromising the dynamics, the feeling and the headroom response of the amp. I would not like to go on a power attenuator either.

                   

                  Thanks. Best regards,

                   

                  Daf

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