Currently Being ModeratedApr 17, 2012 1:38 PM (in response to THORNSZ)Re: POD HD500 direct to a Cabinet
You Definitively need a Poweramp in between your podHD and your Orange cab.. like a AMT tube cake 3W (prefect for playing home ) , Electro Harmonix Caliber 22 /magnum 44 or for stero playing you can use Marshall 8008 , Rocktron Velocity 100/120....
Currently Being ModeratedApr 17, 2012 5:06 PM (in response to THORNSZ)Re: POD HD500 direct to a Cabinet
Requires a power amp or no wattage to power speakers.
I do not try to use my tube amp w the POD, it is already a great amp so what does it need with models, which do not work for my tastes into a guitar amp.
Plugging into the effect return to the amp's power amp section is a waste of the amps preamp section which I quite like.
So when I got my HD500 I wanted the unit to produce the best amp model tones it was capable, that means running it into a clean power amp with the benefit of having L/R channels. Of course having just one cab is not stereo (unless you have a 4x12 wired for splt). You can always bridge the power amp if you like but odds are it is way too much wattage. Power amps are quite inexpensive and hardly cost anything these days even for a Crown. I have had plenty of pedals I bought that had cost much more.
My POD Rig (just for ideas):
(some pedals from my board rig I am trying to use)
Radial PB-1 boost/buffer pedal (high end buffer pedal, load is set to full open to get entire range of guitar w no loading, impedence dropped to low)>>>>
Wampler Compressor>>>>>(nothing in the POD can match this puppy)
Wampler Esctasy Overdrive>>>>>(3 mode overdrive adjusts for differing needs)
Wampler Pinnacle Dist>>>> (experimenting w POD useage-only good for some clean amp models or no amp builds, could not get it to sound right in the loop. This is the "real brown sound" box not sure I will be able to fully use it w the POD just not the same.)
Fulltone DejaVibe>>> (works and reacts quite well with the POD and is far better than the internal model)
(custom split feed (mono) from the Vibe into both the "Guitar" and "Aux" inputs (sounds better than the "same" without digital clipping and works to full capability on 2 channel projects)
HD500 POD (also rigged with the heavy duty high end Mission L6-1 expression pedal) dual stereo/direct out>>>>
BBE Sonic Maximizer (line level rack unit, set low level just to phase correct the speaker cab)>>>>
ART SLA-1 Power amp (2 channel L/R 100 watts into 8 ohms ea channel)>>>>
CARVIN 4x12 Celestion Vintage 30 load (60 watt speakers) Modified cab internals w proper damping material to eliminate standing wave and frequency phase, bass woofing and that treeible hollow box sound.
The ART is a great power amp, plenty of power at 100watts each channel, crystal clean no coloring no clipping and has its own quiet cooling fan. Ridiculously inexpensive and a damn fine amp. Another advantage of using a power amp is to get the full fidelity and body of the direct/stereo out config, the rest sound thin compared to this out as they are trying not to overhwlem a guitar amp.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 17, 2012 7:09 PM (in response to anglepod)Re: POD HD500 direct to a Cabinet
I'm confused about your rig. I'm not sure why you have a POD HD500. Is the HD500 your preamp, or just FX processor?
You mention how you like the preamp section of your "amp", other than the ART power amp, you make no mention of what amp you were referring to? Are you indeed using a "typical" amp head?
And unless I missed something somewhere, you have five separate pedals to do things the HD500 does you say are not up to your standards. So again, I'm not sure why you have the HD500 in your rig. I'm trying to get my brain around your set up, but getting lost. If you wish to expound in detail about your rig from guitar insertion through output on your rig, I'd appreciate it so I can hopefully better understand why you choose to use the gear your use.
I'm very happy with the gear I have, but I have no stores near me to go try things out before I buy, then try. Learning about other gear is always useful in my opinion.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 18, 2012 6:30 AM (in response to MerlinFL)Re: POD HD500 direct to a Cabinet
i'm currently using a HD500 as a FX processor but i'm planning to sell it eventually to get an HD PRO....
so its: HD PRO + ART Poweramp => Cabinet
you need the power amp to let the cabinet sound right?
correct me if i'm wrong
Currently Being ModeratedApr 18, 2012 6:57 AM (in response to THORNSZ)Re: POD HD500 direct to a Cabinet
A pre amp will only give you a level suitable for headphones. You need a poweramp to increase the level to power your cab. Any combo or head will include a pre amp and a power amp.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 18, 2012 3:02 PM (in response to THORNSZ)Re: POD HD500 direct to a Cabinet
Yes, sir. The power amp is your wattage, no wattage no abilty to drive a speaker.
I have always been an advocate of watts. Not for loudness as that is not what watts are all about, another falacy of the little amp crowd.
Wattage is headroom, bandwidth and fidelity potential. Tubes are also not all about distortion. A child can get a tube to distort but they cannot hear tone.
One mind consider why the audiophile album stereo systems like to use a 100 watt tube config but designed to be totally clean.
But at any rate. Want to hear what the POD AMP models can really do, direct out config into a power amp. Makes sure your cab or speaker config can handle the wattage.
I find my power amp set half way up is more than enough to get the most deepest bass and headroom response.
Running a POD into a guitar amp means one thing to me, the amp is not so great. I suppose mining the effects through the amp loop is OK but again the best feature of the POD is its ability to render a stereo split feed and panning.
I keep my tube amp and pedal board rig in the backdrop, the POD rig is just a new project to play with for a change of pace. I wanted to see what the potential of the AMP models was.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 18, 2012 7:37 PM (in response to anglepod)Re: POD HD500 direct to a Cabinet
Hi Anglepod - I was just wondering, might you have any videos of you performing live with or without your POD gear? I'd honestly love to hear what your main rig sounds like if you have any performance videos solo or within a band context?
If it's not to much trouble and you have some video clips you wouldn't mind sharing, please post a link here.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 18, 2012 2:54 PM (in response to MerlinFL)Re: POD HD500 direct to a Cabinet
The POD is a preamp unto itself and it feeds a power amp that is uncolored.
I am not using my std tube guitar head. It does not need the POD and the POD does not need it.
My POD rig is designed specifcally for the POD models to be able to deliever their highest fidelity realistic amp model.
Whether or not I use the entire amp model, just a preamp, or no cab is entrely dependent upon getting the best sounding result upon tweaking everything.
Usually I find I like the uber gain models using a PREamp model with different cabs but nothing is a set rule. I just dial in what works the best. Some of the little amps sound great, some of the uber gains sound better not using the internal power amp with the model. Just depends.
Using a power amp allows for true stereo split of 2 channels and the ability to use the high power stereo/direct out config.
To put it quite frankly I would not be using the POD for an effect bank, period.
I was using a half stack tube amp rig with a 2 chain pedal board (amp in and loop) of a dozen high end pedals, buffered and power supplied with custom cables, no noise, nothing bad concerning it.
Why the POD. simply put. AMP MODELS, the ability to mess with 25 amp quality amp models and various cabinets for expermental issues and a litrle fun.
One gets tired of the same old tones and sounds, so instead of buying more pedals (a constant addiction) and redoing my board again (and again), I thought the POD w its AMP models would be interesting to mess with to see how good I could get it to sound.
It also gives me a break from buying sets of $200+ tubes everytime I turn around. Also the benefit of my power amp rig to render true L/R stereo images of dual amps or stereo panned effects.
Just a novel toy to mess w for a change of pace.
My tube amp rig is going nowhere I assure you and there is no way I care to try and rig the POD into my amp.
Running a model into my head would not sound better and no doubt would not sound as good having heard them both.
The POD does what it does and it delivers really good amp models, I designed ,my POD rig to make those sound like the amps as much as possible and it does.
I rig the POD to bring out the fideility of the models, and believe me on this rig if I pull up a JCM800 you'd swear that sounds like one. Fender's or elsewise.
The other outputs on the POD pale in dynamic range and headroom to the direst/stereo out config and running mono into a guitar amp is a waste of my time.
I cannot say the POD will be a permanent rig or tool for me, just something I fancy at the moment. I wanted to see what its potential truly could be stepping around the plethura of teen age "sounds like" presets and what not. If one cannot get in this unit and learn how it works and the potential it is a waste of money, just not a plug in and play unit. There is not one preset I have looked that suits my tone or sounds great on my rig. I start from scratch on each one designed to my rigs EQ issues and range.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 23, 2012 12:39 PM (in response to THORNSZ)Re: POD HD500 direct to a Cabinet
Just FYI, added frustrations have caused me to drop all my attempts at external pedals except for my
Fulltone Dejavibe>>>(modifed dual output to both "Guitar" and "Aux" POD inputs)
POD HD500>>>> (stereo 2 channel direct out)
BBE rackmount phase correction>>>L&R channels
ART SLA-1 Power AMP>>> L&R channels
4x12 Celestion VIntage 30 Load (60 watt speakers) split wired cab
The PB1 is mainly for its high end buffer circuit and the load is full lift on the guitar signal. It has a Class A clean boost which works fine but is a 2ndary use of the pedal for me. Serves to OD an amp model for touch of clean overdrive if needed.
NO internal compressor gets close to the Wampler compresor quality plus its blend control and openess.
The Fulltone DejaVibe is just a killer Vibe and much more organic and real to the internal model.
Gave up on my external drive pedal or trying a better gain pedal. Just does not sound as good as it does a normal amp. Either in front or in the POD loop.
I just could not get the loop to sound right no matter the technique or setting for any drive or gain pedal.
Just gave up on it and have adapted some of the internal effects for some needs. Actually discovered more extended uses of the various EQs helps the amps and several of the dist models considerably. I actually EQ'd the crap out of a couple of the Dist models and got a much better tweaked in high gain pedal tone very much like a Metal Zone and such. Just have to make the best of the POD world when using the unit. It has its benefits and strong points. Is not a plug and play unit so those wanting their heroes tones are failing to grasp basic 101 guitar, you are not going to sound like so and so even if you picked up their guitar, fine to adapt a tone and make use of it but merely trying to sound like someone is a quest for beginners.
Running the POD into a power amp is the only way to go for me. Just have no interest in rigging it w my good tube head. I never needed its effects and amp models into my tube head are rather pointless.
I got the POD to make use of its amp models to see what it could do to its full potential. I believe I have now heard the best it can do. I am happy w the tones but my tube amp half stack and pedal board remain as their own entity,
Whenever I get tried of the never ending tweaking and programming on the POD system I will go back to my amp rig and most likely sell it.
Seems like everyone is running these into little single speaker amps. Running a $500 model processor into a little amp makes no sense. I would just opt for a better amp. I would imagine the DT LIne 6 amps are the way to go with this unit guitar amp wise. But for me I prefer to just let the POD do its thing and amplify the models at their best performance.
I have a super tube head and pedalboard and there is just no way I care to attempt to rig the POD into the AMP via the 4 cable method. From what I have heard and tried to use from the various internal pedals it offers nothing better or comparible to top shelf pedals and running a high gain or clean amp model into my amp is needless. I've tried using the loop in the POD and been gravely disappointed, probably works fine for more delay, reverb, type stuff but drives and gain pedals were a bitter disappointment for me. I will save mine for my regular amp.
I recommend the POD for itself, I like messing w it and trying out different amp models but no way would I get rid of my basic amp rig.
I do not record and for me if you want the thing to sound like an amp it needs two things, a power amp that does not color and a guitar cab to provide the punch and depth one hears with a good amp. No way a little guitar amp or PC speakers are going to sound close to the cab system I am running. Using a single speaker does not sound like a 4x12 I do not care what it is modeling. There is a difference. My POD rig gives me a change from my normal amp rig system and having to buy sets of expensive tubes. It is good for a change and to experiment with a contained system. I find the Fender's, Marshall's and the Uber gain head models quite interesting to mess with.