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rickms Just Startin' 6 posts since
Jul 17, 2008
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May 29, 2012 11:30 AM

Any real love for the DT Series

I am consdering the purchase of a DT25 or DT50 to go with my HD500. I've been watching Youtube videos, reading reviews and looking though all the posts on this forum. I know those that visit this forum are only a small subset of  the DT User base, but I do not see much positive rants on the DT+HD combination. I am a tweaker and do not have problem reading, experiementing and taking time to dial in the "right" sound as long as the right sound is there somewhere. I really like the whole theory between the integration of the HD and DT but has the execution provided something that is highly usable? Any feedback would be greatly appreicated.

 

Thanks,

 

Rick

  • daveschutt Just Startin' 280 posts since
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    May 29, 2012 11:58 AM (in response to rickms)
    Re: Any real love for the DT Series

    I love my setup.  I have the HD500, a DT-50 head, and a DT-25 combo.  If I was to do it all over again I'd have a DT-25 head and speaker, and the DT-25 combo.  The DT-50 is LOUD!  When I play gigs with it I have a either a Vox 2x12 cabinet or Blackheart 1x12 cabinet mic'd off stage to keep the stage volume down.  I use in-ear monitors so I don't need the stage volume either to play.  The tones I use are faily basic, usually a screamer, noisegate, two delays after the amp block, reverb and volume and wah.  There are probably 5 main amp models I use and I set my patches to either use the pre-amp only versions if I'm using the DT's or full models without and going straight to PA.  With the combination now of Deep Edit Parameters on the amps, speaker cabinets, and the variety of mic models to choose from there really isn't a sound I cannot get that I'm happy with.  If I had $100k in equipment would it sound better? Probably but I have about $2k invested and am very happy with it.  Line 6 has added so much more in parameters to really tweak your tones since I've owned it I can't see why anyone would be unhappy with the setup.  Now I don't play High Gain Metal so I can't speak on that subject but when I've needed a high gain tone I can get it.  I tend to like the old school metal tones so I'm ususally pushing one of the Marshall models versus the Boogie models.  Check out customtone.com and you can see there are 1000's of patches out there that users have posted that are artist or song based so it really lowers the learning curve and you can tweak them from there.  I found many times switching the mics added the most life to the patches and use mostly the 421 Dynamic mic on most things.  I've heard rumors that perhaps in the future Line6 may be able to shift some of the amp modeling to the DT series when they are connected allowing for more DSP for effects.  If there is one thing I haven't liked its that on dual amp patches you run out of DSP rather quickly but I really don't use that many dual patches and haven't really had the time yet to hook up both my DT's to really hear those patches in their glory.  When using one amp I always use a single amp patch otherwise you're not really doing yourself any favors.

      • daveschutt Just Startin' 280 posts since
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        May 29, 2012 12:31 PM (in response to rickms)
        Re: Any real love for the DT Series

        What type of music does your band do and how big are your venues?

          • daveschutt Just Startin' 280 posts since
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            May 29, 2012 2:27 PM (in response to rickms)
            Re: Any real love for the DT Series

            Since when I play some gigs where I need to have my speakers off stage I will play using a 16 ohm cabinet with the DT-50 so I can push the tubes a bit more.  That may be an option, but if I had to shose one way to go I think I'd go with the DT-25 it is plenty loud as well.  I can't quote facts but if you've been around you know when it comes to tube amps 25  watt amps can get plenty loud and a 50 watt amp is not twice as loud, maybe 15-20% louder at peak volume.  The key is that like you said you want tube saturation you'll want the 25, if you play lots of cleans you'll want the 50.  You can always re-amp the 25 with direct out or mic, but after going with 15ohm speakers for the DT50 you can make it quieter without some sort of power soak.  I hope this helps, almost seems like I've gone in a full circle.  For me, when I get some money I'm buying the dt25 head, speaker combo.  I'm disappointed that Line6 doesn't offer a 2x12 for the DT-50 because I have no use or room for a 4x12 cabinet and a 2x12 would be logical to have as an extention cabinet for the DT50 2x12 cabinets as well. As Forrest Gump said, "That's all I have to say about that."

  • gtrman100 Iknowathingortwo 479 posts since
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    May 29, 2012 3:20 PM (in response to rickms)
    Re: Any real love for the DT Series

    Let me weigh in on this. I've got an HD500, a DT50-112, and a DT25 combo. I've been playing over 40 years, and have had a load of vintage Fenders, Marshalls, and a few boutique amps too.

     

    To me the HD/DT combo is the closest I've ever come to perfection for a gigging setup. I just sold a Matchless, and have a vintage Pro Reverb for sale because the DT's have replaced them.

     

    In terms of versatility, authenticity, and real tube amp "feel", this system gives me everything I need. The Fender's sparkle and bloom, the Vox's chime, and the Marshalls grind. I've got a Marshall JVM, and I like the Marshalls on the HD/DT's better.

     

    I've tried the HD500 in a FRFR system, it sounded good, but I like my pant leg flapping from a guitar cab behind me. FRFR systems sound like a recording of my guitar tone to me. I'm in a band that rarely sends guitar, bass in keyboards in the PA, the venues aren't that big, so I need some stage volume. Plus, the direct out of the DT's sounds really good as a send to the PA, you don't need to mic the cab.

     

    It's a great thing to tap one pedal, and change guitar, amp, and effects(I've got a JTV69 too). My band plays everything from blues/jazz to hard rock(with a bit of metal) so this is the only system that I've tried that can do it all and sound really good.

     

    I've had few problems with any of the gear. Once, the memory dumped on the HD500 and I had to reflash the memory and recalibrate the internal pedal. This happened at home when connected to HD Edit. One venue gives me problems because I think the AC power drops too low and the HD has locked twice. I'm considering getting a power conditioner to solve this problem. Occasionally, I'll stomp on a switch to change patches, and the sound will drop out until I hit the pedal again. That's it for over a year of gigging and rehearsing.

     

    As far as the DT50 vs DT25 is concerned, the 50 is very loud and sounds like a 2-12 cab. The oversize cab just has huge bass for a 1-12. The 25 is loud but smaller sounding, but not in a bad way, because the 50 can get a bit woofy. Because you can cut the power of either amp by going into Triode mode, I'd get the amp that provides the amound of clean headroom you need. If you're in a loud band with a hard hittimg drummer- get the 50. Otherwise, get the 25.

     

    The bottom line for me, I've never been happier with my gig rig. I get compliments from my guitar playing buddies who come out to our gigs. More importantly, I'm happy with the sound, the feel, the easy of setup, and the consistency of tone.

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