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Bushman2 Just Startin' 26 posts since
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Dec 30, 2012 11:46 AM

HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?

Which output do you use and why?

 

PA Is Run In Mono.

1/4" Left/Mono to Directbox to XLR to Snake to Mixer

-OR-

Left XLR to Snake to Mixer

 

My undertstanding is that the 1/4" Left output sums to mono, XLR's do not.

Why would I see video tutorials showing one XLR connected to the board?

Wouldn't this just be the left stereo channel only?

  • silverhead Expert Line 6 User 9,592 posts since
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    Dec 30, 2012 12:14 PM (in response to Bushman2)
    Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?

    You are right about the 1/4" output being L/MONO while the XLR output is just L. But if you use the HD500 mixer to pan the mix fully left then I think the L XLR output will deliver a full mono signal to your snake/mixer. In this case the two setups you describe should be identical in sound although the XLR setup is simpler.

    • phil_m Expert Line 6 User 4,243 posts since
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      Dec 30, 2012 6:46 PM (in response to silverhead)
      Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?

      Actually, if you pan hard left or hard right, and only using one of the XLR outputs, you could potentially be missing some stereo information. The pan control is really a balance control, so when you pan hard right, you're really turning the left side off. It really depends how the tone is setup, but if you have a stereo effect such as Ping Pong Delay after the amp model and pan hard left or right while using only one XLR out, you'll only be getting one side of the effect. Keeping the mixer block panned in the center is actually the safer way to go, although, with the example of Ping Pong Delay, you'd still be missing some of the effect.

      • silverhead Expert Line 6 User 9,592 posts since
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        Dec 30, 2012 6:51 PM (in response to phil_m)
        Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?

        Oh - I did not realize that. Thanks for clarifying. So it sounds like the OP would be best to use the 1/4" L/MONO output to guarantee the full signal?

        • PremiumJones Iknowathingortwo 238 posts since
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          Dec 30, 2012 7:01 PM (in response to silverhead)
          Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?

          I use a 300, so maybe its different, but that has been my experience. I would think that you can do way more with the stereo thing on the 500, which actually makes it even moreso, since the more stereo something is, more you are losing without a summed output.

           

          I have tested with the Analog flanger and a couple stereo delays over the course of a few months now using a mono PA for both rehearsal and gigs. The best signal in this case is using the 1/4" L out to the Line in on a channel on the board. Using 2 XLRs panned hard L/R depends on the summing capabilities and behaviours of the board. In my case, its not good. Using them both in the middle sounds pretty much like the single summed mono out, but not as hot and seems to lack punch when turned up to compensate.

  • tdollaway Just Startin' 69 posts since
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    Dec 30, 2012 6:23 PM (in response to Bushman2)
    Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?

    When I was doing a lot of gigging, I panned both channels of the mixer to center. To my knowledge (and I could be wrong), when L and/or R are panned to center it is sending full signal from both the left and right channel to both XLR outputs.  This limits your stereo capability, however. We never ran our P.A. stereo, so stereo effects would have been lost as soon as it hit our mixer, anyway.I did try running both right and left XLR outs to the board, as well as Left only. They both worked, but I could never get a straight answer from our soundguy as to which was better.  With this setup, I set input 2 to same.  I'm not sure that you would need to do this and never tried anything different.

     

    I also experimented with running everything in the HD in path A only. I muted the right channel and panned the left channel to center. For this to work properly,I believe you need to have a mono effect at the signal chain split. For this setup, I set input 2 to variax or aux.  This seemed to give me a cleaner (albeit weaker) signal to the board.

     

    I would say that if you're running a stereo P.A., pan your HD mixer hard left and right and run a seperate XLR or 1/4" for each and pan accordingly at the mixer.

     

    Hope this helps, man.

    • CairnsFella Just Startin' 205 posts since
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      Dec 30, 2012 7:13 PM (in response to tdollaway)
      Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?

      tdollaway wrote:

       

      When I was doing a lot of gigging, I panned both channels of the mixer to center. To my knowledge (and I could be wrong), when L and/or R are panned to center it is sending full signal from both the left and right channel to both XLR outputs. 

       

      From what I read above, and have read before, this isnt the case. The pan will not move the signal across the channels, and will only alter relative volumes.

      • tdollaway Just Startin' 69 posts since
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        Dec 31, 2012 9:53 AM (in response to CairnsFella)
        Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?

        You may be right. I'll have to check out the patches that I was using back then. Like I said, I never utilized the stereo effects.

         

        Edit: I stand corrected. It took me a minute to think about it and get it straight in my head first. lol

        • CairnsFella Just Startin' 205 posts since
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          Dec 31, 2012 6:52 PM (in response to tdollaway)
          Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?

          Not wishing to say this as a real "feature request" or as a true whinge, but its things like this that shouldnt take so much time for people to have to 'work out'. As I say I am Im not askinbg for it now, but it realy wouldnt have been too hard - if only in the software editor - to provide indications of signal flow through the POD including L and R channels for all paths, indicating summing, stereo splits, and pans.

  • lukegeis Just Startin' 45 posts since
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    Dec 31, 2012 11:55 AM (in response to Bushman2)
    Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?

    If it were me, I would run VIA XLR to the snake and into the mixer. I try as often as possible to not use DI boxes or any other impedence exchanging devise. You have the ability to create a patch that can work for the intended output. Thta is what I would use. If the intended and primary scource is going to be the Band mixer, I would set up to run directly into that VIA XLR. this keeps things simple and no other devises are needed.

  • bluesmandan76 Just Startin' 11 posts since
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    Dec 31, 2012 4:23 PM (in response to Bushman2)
    Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?

    I'd go with 2 xlr's or the mono 1/4" or both 1/4" outs. If you use just one of the xlr's, your signal is going to be cut in half regarding volume, and yeah, it will mess up any stereo effects, as the xlr outs are intended to be used together in a pair, and not one or the other in isolation. I suppose if you ONLY use mono effects you could use just one of the xlr outs IF you need to cut your volume in half, but that would be an odd way to go about reducing your signal.

      • lukegeis Just Startin' 45 posts since
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        Jan 6, 2013 2:43 PM (in response to Bushman2)
        Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?

        I know that panning both channels in the same direction will yield about a 3db boost in level. Panning both to center will do the same thing too. If you only connect 1 output VIA the XLR the level in it will only change based on what the opposite channels panning is at. I.E if you pan the other channel hard left and your connected to the left XLR, you will have 3db more level. If you are panned in the center with the right channel, it will be the same 3db boost. Now if you pan the right channel full right the level in the left XLR will be -3db from what it was before.

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