Jan 24, 2013 3:21 AM
Pod HD Series Bass Patches
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This thread is meant to share information and patches for Bass, using Pod HD series.
To start the discussion, here's my Bass Setlist for HD500 with 20 patches:
Updated: V3 added (same setlist with different settings) Read the whole thread to find some info.
HD500 Setlist v3 - "High Output Bass Amps" (16-Jan)
http://www.mediafire.com/?h4yta8468nawfzt
-This version solves the low volume output you usually get with a bass.
It is focused on amps+cabs. Includes some effects.
This may require more detailed info. We can discuss later what I've done here, if you like.
Give it a try, and come here to comment! invite your friends! ![]()
--Old versions-- (deprecated since V3):
HD500 Setlist v2 - "Clean Bass Amps" (11-Jan) http://www.mediafire.com/?8m27l5g3uc5wv3o
HD500 Setlist v1 - "Bass Amps" (09-Jan) http://www.mediafire.com/?59syh3dt9900aby
Update: Converted Setlists:
I´m using this tool: http://www.jzab.de/content/pod-hd
- For Pod HD PRO : You can simply change the file extension or use the converter to load a HD500 setlist.
- For HD Desktop: Use the converter to prevent any issue.
- For Pod HD400/300: There´s no Tube comp here, but you can convert my HD500 setlist with any other comp using the converter.
Ed,
Looking forward to the contributions to this thread.
As it stands I have mainly used tweaked patches from customtone. I have had a run through most amp and pre-amp options and had a similarly positive experience to that you detailed in a prior thread (though whether my list would have matched your own - had I written it down - I'd probably doubt.)
To be honest, I am a little reluctant to contribute my own patches at this stage, partly because none I have stored are truly my own, and secondly because I am really rather less than amateur (though an amateur of many years
)
Nonetheless I hope the thread keeps rolling (even if I have to post some patches for criticism
)
Edit:-
It may also help to know how the bass guys are using their HD's.
I have a Warwick Thumb NT 4, a westone quantum headless (... ok.. ok.. Im a bit of an 80's guy) , and a 'I dont remember the name' semi accoustic (which actually has made me realise that I havent tried the semi through the pod as yet).
I go straight into the POD and out through a studio amp to some celstion PA speakers in studio direct mode. (I have some outboard gear that I sometimes muck around with and in such cases route through a mixer, but essentially the same set up.
I do have an old bass 4 x 10 cab (well it was a sessionette combo but the amp cacked it a few years back so I replaced the amp stage with an.. ahhem.. cough cough.. behringer. As yet though, I havent used the bass specific gear since getting the HD as (I am lazy) and its easier to switch from bass to guitar as it is).
Good to see you here, cairnsfella!
As it stands I have mainly used tweaked patches from customtone. I have had a run through most amp and pre-amp options and had a similarly positive experience to that you detailed in a prior thread (though whether my list would have matched your own - had I written it down - I'd probably doubt.)
To be honest, I am a little reluctant to contribute my own patches at this stage, partly because none I have stored are truly my own, and secondly because I am really rather less than amateur (though an amateur of many years
)
Nonetheless I hope the thread keeps rolling (even if I have to post some patches for criticism)
I tested every patch for bass I've found custom tone, but I always had the feeling that something was not right there.
The patches for bass that were included in previous updates did not sound very good either.
I mean, I did not think these patches sound (or were made especially) for bass. When I use patches made for guitar with my bass, I can get similar results ... So what's the point?
Since I have no formal knowledge about sound engineering, I have to trust my ears. And what I felt was that the overall sound with my bass was: too boomy, too bright, and/or too weak (compared to the volume when using a guitar).
Honestly, I was a little frustrated with all this, because I tended to increase the volume of my monitors to play bass, but I had to lower it with the guitar because it sounded louder (and better defined) while my bass sounded as if the sound was coming from a a swamp, at that volume.
This is the reason I'm trying to improve things, trying to learn something, and sharing this learning with you.
Many people are complaining that there are few for bass amp models in POD HD. Well, for me it does not make much sense. You can use a bass with most amp models and get good sounds, different colors and shades ... so this is not a problem at all.
The problem is that the result was usually a ball of sound, so obviously I was doing something wrong.
Still I do. This is why I'm here, trying to learn how to improve things.
It may also help to know how the bass guys are using their HD's.
I have a Warwick Thumb NT 4, a westone quantum headless (... ok.. ok.. Im a bit of an 80's guy) , and a 'I dont remember the name' semi accoustic (which actually has made me realise that I havent tried the semi through the pod as yet).
I go straight into the POD and out through a studio amp to some celstion PA speakers in studio direct mode. (I have some outboard gear that I sometimes muck around with and in such cases route through a mixer, but essentially the same set up.
I do have an old bass 4 x 10 cab (well it was a sessionette combo but the amp cacked it a few years back so I replaced the amp stage with an.. ahhem.. cough cough.. behringer. As yet though, I havent used the bass specific gear since getting the HD as (I am lazy) and its easier to switch from bass to guitar as it is).
Good stuff! I´m playing a Variax 705 sunburst (I am a proud member of the official Variax Bass club), Also I have a 4 strings Riverhead Unicorn headless (from the 80s) and an old Fender BXR One Hundred amp for bass, but these two need to be repaired, so they are not currently in use.
It's a good time for some explanations, and self-criticism. Let me explain what I tried to do, and the few certainties to which I have arrived:
-Input Source: I know there's an old debate about how to adjust the input source. To me it is obvious that you should never select "X : Same" when you're using a bass. Therefore, select Guitar: Variax (or any input you're not using as input 2)
-Guitar In-Z: If you're using the guitar input, set 1M (or perhaps 3.5 M, if you prefer) The rest sound dull and dark.
About the Effects chain:
1- Comp: In this first version, I used the tube compressor to reduce the dynamic range, and a 19% increase in Level. This certainly makes it sound "tube compressed", but somewhat distorted.
The problem with this approach is that you're supposed to use the compressor all the time. If you turn off the compressor, the volume will also decrease.
I will upload another version of this same setlist later, doing this (compress and boost the signal) differently, using the gain control from the Mid focus EQ, and getting a cleaner sound.
2- Distortion: I´ve testing distortion with very low Drive settings. Just testing atm.
3- Empty.
4 & 7- Delay and Reverb: Not intended to use it together, just for add some space. The delay in front of the amp trick is generally attributed to Glenn Delaune (or John Petrucci). This is not liked by everyone, but you can try. The reverb with a bass can make you sound a little more subdued. I put it to add some space, but maybe not a good idea to leave it enabled in the presets.
5- Studio EQ: Mostly used to reduce frecuencies around 5000Hz (Hi Freq) and get rid of some noise. Still testing different Lo Freq settings.
6- Mid Focus EQ: Together with the compressor, this seems to be the key to keep things under control.
(I want to comment more on this, so will edit this post later to add more stuff)
8- I´m using an RC-300 LoopStation with the FX loop. At the moment there is not much to say about this.
I will comment amps and cabs settings later.
Ed,
A lot of useful info here.
Just want you to know that its not falling on deaf ears, but may be a few days until I get a chance to digest it fully. Appreciatte you posts though.
I do not know if I've opened this thread in the wrong section, or that there is no love for the bass! ![]()
(considering the low number of visitors)
Edited:
Anyway, here is my second setlist, "Bass Amps Clean" (updated links on 1st post)
It contains the same presets, so whats new?
-Comp and gain on different stages (pre and post). I´ve used the Mid focus EQ to add volume boost, and keept the compressor with a 4-5% level to compensate the attenuation produced by the compressor when its active. This is the way in which is supposed a compressor should work. So you can turn it on or off, maintaining a similar volume. I do not like the sound too compressed, but I find it absolutely necessary for bass in most situations. Your taste will probably be different than mine, and you may find that the adjustment should not always be the same in each preset, so tweak it to your liking.
About the Mid Focus EQ, its gain control is a nice way to add some volume boost keeping the tone unmodified.
- Overall volume of each preset has been maximized. I used between 0 and 20% gain in the Mid Focus EQ, so if you want to lower the volume, look here first, and then the amp (Ch Vol).
-Effects off (Reverb & delay). It was a nonsense to leave this enabled in every preset. Now you can listen to the amps, which is what this is about, after all.
- Some tweaks on amp parameters.
You can load both setlist v1 and v2 for A/B comparing.
By the way, take a look at the parameter "Sag" of the amps. I preferred not to touch it for now, except for fender bassman preset, which I modified a bit.
This parameter controls the attack of the notes: Turning clockwise provides more "touch" dynamics & sustain. I believe the default attack to 50% may be too high using a bass, but it will be better if you judge for yourself, becouse it also depends on the technique you're using. In any case is one interesting parameter to consider to fine tune each preset. Maybe for the next editing session.
I'm also really interested by this topic, and I'll read it carefully as I can't get a good bass tone I'm satisfied with, I especially have volume issues (like you said : the volume is too low compared to the guitar and if I try to increase it a bit, it distorts really quickly).
I'll check you patches as soon as I find some time !
Thanks for this topic !
You're welcome!
Your comment made me think a bit. So I made a new test: I have loaded an empty preset and created two routes (placing an amplifier in one channel, and then I turned it off). In each channel I connected a (variax 700) guitar and a (variax 705) bass, and there is no doubt: the guitar sounds much stronger.
Played for a while with my own bass presets (higher volume than yesterday), and I realized that sounded very compressed, even turning off the compressor. I think this is due to trying to increase too much an input signal with such a low volume.
Then returned to a new empty preset, put a "Boost Comp" in the channel for bass, and decreased comp to 0. I've noticed that approximately at [50% drive - 65% output] sounded the same volume as with the effect off. After many tests to find a safe point where no distortion occurs, even at very high volume, I increased the output up to 80%
I used exactly the same settings for the amp I had used before, but I have removed all the gain it had put in "mid EQ Focus". I have also dropped a bit its frequency range. Until now I used 10% -70% but now I think I was wrong. The correct values appear to be approximately 5% -65%.
What I'm doing with these filters is to remove the excessive boomyness, cutting some frequencies in the boomy area, around 40Hz-90Hz, and limit the high range as it would in a bass amp. But the range was too high. Now it´s better:
Trial and error. Time for a v3 setlist soon, but not today.
By the way, I had a Bass POD XT Live before . I do not remember if it sounded more volume, better or worse, but I think it was not as difficult as it is being now.
Anyone know if the Pod for bass have some special features in this regard?
Can anyone explain why the guitar has almost twice the volume Vs a Bass using a Pod HD?
Hello again.
Well, I am back sooner than anticipated but am unfortunately unable to be at the computer and with my bass/hd at the same time
. As such I am still unable to run through some of the patches, auggestions, and ideas put forward here.
Ed_Saxman wrote:
I do not know if I've opened this thread in the wrong section, or that there is no love for the bass!
(considering the low number of visitors)
Although there must be a fair number of Bass HD users, it will still be a tiny amount compared to guitar players.. Also I do not believe that many bass players frequent the forums. In addition, I would imagine most users would visit the main forums first. In fact, after initially noting your reference to this 'group', the second time I visited and wanted to find it again manually, it actually took me a while to find it... and that is with me knowing it exists !!!! So I wouldnt take it personally, but of course it would be better to have more visitors.
Ed_Saxman wrote:
-Input Source: I know there's an old debate about how to adjust the input source. To me it is obvious that you should never select
"X : Same" when you're using a bass. Therefore, selectGuitar: Variax (or any input you're not using as input 2)
Im not entirely convinced by this conclusion. Particularly the fact that you state it is 'obvious', so I would be interested in knowing what is so obvious about it? (maybe it is written somewhere in the manual? in which case I would accept that it was indeed obvious).
I would admit that I was a guitar / "not same" user for guitar for a while, but I have continually reviewed my position the more information I was able to establish, and now I feel equally 'convinced' that guitar / same should be used for all but obvious alternate scenarios.
My own findings are that if guitar / same isnt used, I do not get the levels I would like through the effects etc, and have to crank such things to high to have an effect.
Ed_Saxman wrote:
I´m playing a Variax 705 sunburst
Cool. Shame they dont still do the variax basses.
Ed_Saxman wrote:
Can anyone explain why the guitar has almost twice the volume Vs a Bass using a Pod HD?
Though I cannot say I have explicitly noticed this, I would reiterate that I am not in front of my gear at the moment, but I do wonder if it is to do with the aforementioned input settings.
It puzzes me to think that this could actually be possible though. I mean it could not be frequency driven, as there are obviously overlapping frequencies between the two (although the harmonics would differ quite significantly).
I am also guessing that you have found this with a sample of more than one guitar and more than one bass?
I will have a look at this issue, and the others you discuss, when I get home.
I have my own reasoning, but I want to make clear that I am willing to eat my own hat if necessary.
Since my interface has two Hi-Z inputs I can connect the bass and guitar here too. These inputs are a stereo pair, panned all the way L / R. What you normally do with a mono input (especially with a bass) is set that channel in the center when you have a pair of monitors.
When you select X: Same in the pod you're actually doubling the signal, so you have two mono channels with the same signal in each channel. This is impossible to do with my interface, because it would be like playing two basses at the same time, or like using some kind of splitter to duplicate that signal.
On the pod, if you adjust the two channels in the center using X:Same inputs you get a noticeable phased effect and something like a slight distortion. This means that the two signals are not exactly alike, one of the two is somewhat delayed. In my experience, most effects will clip or distort way easily using this configuration.
I'm still trying to figure out the best way to configure the pod with the bass. I have read a lot these days about people complaining about the same thing (low volume output) with the Bass Pods, although some of them said that a guitar clips very easily when you plug in there.
By the way, the Bass pods were mono pods. They had a "wet" send out with the effects, and another one to send the dry signal, but all effects were mono.
In fact, I have read people complaining about volume with all pods using a bass: Bass Pod, XT, X3, pod HD... No matter what.
I'm pretty saturated with all this, and I have a big pain in the shoulder because my Variax 705 is very heavy.
I think I'd better write to an expert as Meambobbo, and seek advice about all this. I'm waiting for your contributions too!
Hooray!
Great progress today!
Yesterday I received a friendly PM from Meambobbo, and have applied some of their tips. In fact, said PM is so interesting that I would like you all can read it, but that's up to him.
This has led to version 3 of my presets. I think they are now much better than before. Sound much louder! The wave that I can record in my sequencer is so good now that I do not need to increase it later.
But most important was the meambobbo advice, which consists of putting everything in Channel A for single amp patches, with the mixer last in the chain.
This has been something of a revelation to me.
Meambobbo has referred me to a thread where Will Chen and himself commented that.
I will quote some of their comments:
Will chen:
Said it before, and I'll say it again. Getting some harshness and/or unwanted clipping? Build your entire chain within a single arm of the parallel loop between the split and the mixer block. Mute the unused side and pan the used side to center. Voilà! You eliminate both the dual input gain issue (default input mode doubles the signal which is then summed if an amp is placed before the parallel split causing more level/distortion than intended) and the dual output level issue (if an amp is before the split a full level signal is sent to both sides and then summed at the mixer which can easily overdrive almost any effects post mixer). Seriously, limiting usage to a single arm of the effects chain was a huge improvement in the overall tone of the HD500 for me plus made dialing things in much, much easier.
Meambobbo:
I wanted to point out that Will's solution above will NOT force stereo effects to sum to mono. Each channel in the signal path is stereo, and you will get stereo output even if you are only using one side as he suggested, so long as you pan that channel in the mixer to center.
It is the ideal solution for single-amp tones.
Will Chen: Yep, each arm capable of full stereo. IMHO, the dual chain of the HD500 is absurd. They should have studied how Roland/Boss did it in the GT10/100...
I don't deny the power of dual chains nor the ability put the HD500's to good use. Simply their implementation is clumsy at best. Would have been way, way better to force the user into a dual or single mode to avoid all the "clever" ways the unit tries to sum/split signals which in a vast majority of cases (especially when getting to know the unit) makes the unit sound worse.
Please read the entire thread here: http://pop.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=1138278&page=4
So this is the new structure for v3 patches (HD500 link soon available!!):
1- Noise Gate.
I'm currently using noise gates, until I learn how to use the hard gates. I'm a little slow! More details here:
http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/ampTone#noiseGates
2- Tube comp.
Almost same settings than before.
3- Classic Distortion.
Still here, for now. You could also use a wah pedal or whatever else here, if you prefer.
4- Analog Chorus.
I removed the ugly delay in front of the amp, and now I have a chorus. I like this effect for bass, and I think this is the best sounding of the three possible. The Dimension and Triple chorus does not sound bad, but have far fewer parameters and are therefore less controllable. In contrast, analog chorus has many controls, a vibrato mode, a tone control, etc. For now I used a basic setting, but it sounds pretty good with the reverb.
5- Studio EQ.
Still here, for now. I'm not using it much now, because I have found that it can be a specific setting for each bass you use. Maybe try a parametric EQ, but it seems much more complicated for me: http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/eq
6- Mid Focus EQ.
Hi and Low pass filters, now with settings 5%-65%. Gain between 0-30%
7- Spring Reverb.
I used a reverb that is noticeable, but not annoying. Sounds great alongside the chorus. At least I like to use them together to have a good time.
Note that when using chorus+reverb, overall volume will also rise up! I have had this in mind, so that the volume is not excessive when active.
Still, if you play too hard, this could produce clip, so look first at gain settings I put into the Mid EQ.
8- FX loop.
At the moment I turned off my loopstation to edit these presets, so I used some standard settings.
I´m using S/PDIF output with 0 Gain. Both XLR and unbalanced outputs from the HD500 seem almost unusable to me given the extremely low output I get (without using gain from my interface´s preamps). The volume I get from the S/PDIF is vastly superior and less noisy, so this is the only output I´m currently using (besides the FX loop).
Also, be sure you guitar input is not set to "pad" when you´re using a bass.
About the Inputs and Mixer settings using the config above (single arm chain):
Config 1: Just to play (Stereo)
Input 1 - Guitar
Input 2 - (Doesn´t matter, since PathB is muted.).
Mixer - PathA +12 dB center, PathB Muted (panned 100%R just for convenience when using config2)
Config 2: Recording
(2 mono channels, Left Wet (processed), Right Dry (unprocessed, or DI)
Input 2 - Guitar
Input 2 - Same
Mixer- PathA +12dB 100% Left, PathB +12dB 100% Right
So you can:
Record a stereo track selecting the stereo input, and then split the track on two separate mono tracks on your DAW.
OR, arm two mono tracks on your secuencer selecting each separate mono input, and record both at the same time.
Personally I like best the second approach, becouse I´m using Logic Pro, maybe in your secuencer there is an easier or practical way to do the first one.
Bass Amps v3 Setlist now online.
What you get with this Setlist is a high volume of output using a Bass, forget the messes that involved the dual input configuration, and make the pod HD works in a very similar way to how the Bass Pod worked (regarding to mono wet and dry outputs). But here you have the advantage of being able to play your bass in true stereo, too.
Now you can have a balanced sound between the bass and guitar, and record comfortably in your sequencer.
I left the presets configured as inputs Guitar:Same, but please, I do not want to contribute to this confusion.
Using this new configuration (let's call it "single arm chain"), the input 2 has absolutely no effect on the sound (when using the config 1 mentioned above)
If you want to record two mono tracks (wet and dry, panned all the way L/R), then it makes sense to use the second input as "same" (when using the config 2 mentioned above). Unmuting the Channel 2 you actually obtain a completely dry signal from your instrument.
Of course you can also use a combination of both if you want to use another instrument on channel 2.
But most important is to understand that in this way we have two inputs completely separated from each other without causing strange effects in the other, or interfere in any way.
As I said before, for me this has been a great discovery. Thank you very much to Meambobbo.
By the way, previous versions of my setlist are now obsolete. The new v3 is a new departure for me.
And I hope it is also for you, and you also contribute your ideas and presets.
About the Compressors (from various sources. Links below):
A bass compressor is easily the most often used effect used by bassists. It’s also one of the most unglamorous effects.
If you have a compressor, you will probably always use it as you play.
Compressors fall into the family of dynamic effects. In music, dynamics refer to how loud or soft a sound is. Dynamic effects alter how loud or quiet a signal is.
What is Compression?
Compression squeezes, or compresses, the dynamic range of a signal. A compressor will reduce the volume of loud notes which in turn allows the overall volume to be boosted.
An excellent example of compression is when you hear a vocalist singing a quiet passage followed by a loud one. How come you can hear the whisper quiet passage, but the loud one doesn’t distort and blow out your eardrums? Most likely compression is being used on the vocals to compensate for the wide range of dynamics. The loud vocal passage’s volume is reduced by the compressor making room for the quieter passages to be turned up.
Why Do Bassists Use Compressors?
Using a slight amount of compression on bass beefs up your bass tone a bit. Compression can give your bass sound that smooth, glassy tone. You can get a punchier sound using compression. Compression can really balance out very dynamic playing styles like slap bass.
If you use too much compression your bass tone might sound lifeless. But, just a little makes a big tonal difference.
A bass compressor is about the only must-have effect for bassists regardless of the style you play. I highly recommend getting a compressor both for live playing and home recording. The average listener won’t know it’s there, but you will enjoy the subtle effects.
Compression Threshold
Compressors usually have an adjustable threshold setting. The compression threshold is the volume level (gain) at which the compression effect is engaged. Any signal passing through the compressor which is louder than the threshold setting will be compressed. Any signal lower than the threshold will be unaffected.
If you can adjust the threshold setting on your compressor, adjust it to taste. It depends on if you only want really loud notes compressed or most everything compressed.
Compression Ratio
The compression ratio selects the amount of compression to apply on signals above the threshold. The ratio might be something like 3:1 (3 to 1). That means for every 3 dB you send to the compressor beyond the threshold only 1 dB comes out. A 1:1 ratio would not compress anything.
An ∞:1 (infinity to 1) means any signal above the threshold sent to the compressor only 1dB comes out. This is known as limiting. You may see units called compressor/limiters. Limiters are often used to prevent damage to speakers. (Many TV sets now include limiters to squash loud commercials.)
On some effects units the ratio is just marked as ‘compression’ or ‘amount’. This setting increases the ratio.
Most bass players use a 2:1 up to 5:1 compression ratio. You really have to listen closely to adjust it. It’s very subtle. At first you might wonder if it’s even on and working! Try starting at the highest amount of compression and you’ll hear the dynamics squashed. Then slowly lower the compression amount until it suits your taste. A little goes a long way.
Makeup Gain
A compressor is a gain reduction device, therefore all compressors have a make up gain control so that if you are using 3db of gain reduction you can turn the output by that amount and still retain the same headroom.
Sources:
http://www.tunemybass.com/bass_effects_guide/bass_compressors.html
http://www.tunemybass.com/bass_effects_guide/bass_compressor_settings.html
http://www.sae.edu/reference_material/audio/pages/Compression.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_range_compression
We are all at a bit of a disadvantage with the L6 Dynamics because a) amost all the parameters are fixed and b) they don't give you ANY information about the specific parameter settings including Ratio, Attack, Release, plus there is no Gain Reduction metering.
From the HD500 Manual ... they ONLY mention Threshold, Sustain, and Level in explanation yet the Vetta Comp uses "Sensitiviy" and "Amount" .....
• Threshold: For compressor FX, lower values result in greater compression, along with an automatic makeup gain stage dependent upon the Threshold setting.
• Sustain: Some compressors include Sustain, which is much the same as a Threshold control, but functions in reverse - higher settings add more compression and thus more sustain and squishy goodness.
• Level: Adjusts the overall volume - higher settings typically offer an output boost.
Tube Comp
Based on the Teletronix® LA-2A® studio compressor, is a fat dirty sound that is supposed to be like a vintage tube/optical compressor. It adds a layer of subtle distortion, and pumps the lows. Seems to be one of the most prefered choices by the (M and HD series) users when using a bass (see talkbass link below).
(quote: "It also has the most gain of all the models, such that I had to set the output level at minimum in order to avoid clipping the rest of my gear. So when I used it to push a tube amp into overdrive, it sounded really terrific--but it was almost unusable with a solid-state rig due to the nasty clipping.")
The original LA-2A has 40dB gain.
The compression position on the compress/limit switch on the LA-2A (again, the original thing) is considered 4:1, but really the ratio will fluctuate depending on the source.The LA-2A has a release time which requires about 60 milliseconds for 50% release, and then a gradual release over a period of 1 to 15 seconds to the point of complete release. You may think of the LA-2A as having a “composite” release; made up of several stages. When compression is heavy and/or the signal has been above threshold for a long time, the LA-2A's release will be slower.
Vetta Juice
The ‘Juice’ in Vetta Juice comes from the 30dB of available gain in the LEVEL knob.
It’s got a fixed threshold of -40dB with the SENS knob varying compression ratio from 1.5: 1 all the way up to 20:1 (which is a whole heck of a lot). This combination of design features gives you the option of cranking the level enough to get some serious gain boost, or setting the gain lower and dialing up a smooth, clean sustain.
Up to 12dB of gain available at the LEVEL knob.
In other words, turn the Sens knob ’til you like the way your signal’s compressed, then set the volume with Level.
Boost Comp
Inspired by* a MXR® Micro Amp but with compression and EQ added. (Quote: "It's funny to me that the Boost model has the most controls, when the pedal it was based on has only one knob.")
The Vetta and Boost have the most natural, flattish frequency response of the group, good for "general purpose" use (including for bassists). Of those two, the Vetta is basic and clean while the Boost allows some extra drive and coloration, as well as having two-band EQ.
The Vetta and Boost both have better lows than the Blue, and the highs are about the same as the Red; and the Tube has massive lows, and OK highs.
Just like the majority of other digital comps, it's not so good at peak limiting. You can get some decent limiting in the Vetta mode, with the threshold low, if your playing is steady; but its ratio is only about 3:1, so if you hit it hard and fast (e.g. with slapping), it will certainly not stop those peaks.
However, the Vetta Juice has a widely variable compression ratio and a extra amount of gain to boost
Red Comp
Based on* the MXR® Dyna Comp
The Red model rolls off the lows severely, but has fairly open and present highs. Clearly meant for guitarists who want a bright sound.
Blue Comp
Based on* the Boss® CS-1 Compression Sustainer with the treble switch off.
The Blue model has a little better lows, but the highs are muted; Clearly meant for guitarists who want a dark sound.
Blue Comp Treb
Based on* the Boss® CS-1 Compression Sustainer with the treble switch on.
Sources:
Vetta II manual
http://www.ovnilab.com/reviews/l6m13.shtml
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f36/compressors-m9-m13-704413/
All good stuff going on here Ed. Just want to let you know that at least someone is paying attention (though I will have to confess that it will take me sometime to actualy read and digest everything you have written to date, as 'play time' is severely limited at the moment.
I really appreciate it, Cairnsfella!
I was a little discouraged by the low turnout.
I'll add my voice to Cairnsfella - I'm watching and reading. I have downloaded the patches and experimented with them, and I certainly find them useful. Thanks for all your good work in making these available.
I think part of the low turnout may be that you have set this up as a Group - which serves a purpose but creates an entry barrier - people have to decide to Join the group to participate. While not much of a barrier it takes an extra step and a decision as oppsed to just hitting the Reply button. So don't infer from the low participation rate that people aren't watching and benefiting.
I am a very occasional bass player - actually I use bass guitar patches in a Variax JTV-59 to run through a bass preset on a Pod HD500 for recording purposes. So I have only periodic needs for bass but I do appreciate and use your patches when I play bass.
Keep 'em coming!
Thanks.
Thanks to everyone for this useful thread!!! Is the one I needed from long time. I was thinking to be the only one using the Line6 HD500 for bass guitar. I'll try all the patches soon. Thanks again!
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