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chuskey Just Startin' 20 posts since
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Feb 27, 2013 6:35 PM

Auto tune feature for JTV?

I'm wondering out loud if Line 6 can/will ever impliment an auto tune feature into the firmware the way the Antares system works.  Here's what they're doing:  http://www.autotuneforguitar.com/.

 

The tuning feature is really cool, but  It's no where near the "total package" that the JTV is.  But I'm thinking how cool it would be if that could be integrated into JTV firmware. 

 

Any thoughts Line 6???  

  • clay-man Just Startin' 155 posts since
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    Feb 27, 2013 7:54 PM (in response to chuskey)
    Re: Auto tune feature for JTV?

    Ruh roh, another Variax competitor.

      • dmpoole Just Startin' 36 posts since
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        Feb 28, 2013 5:06 AM (in response to chuskey)
        Re: Auto tune feature for JTV?

        From the first Variax 300 I had I thought it was a bit stupid that a guitar could be tuned to anything you want but the software didn't put it in tune.

        All those years ago explaining to other musicians got funny looks that you still had to tune the strings to pitch for it to work properly.

        For Line 6 I don't think it is a great leap that if you put your guitar to a tuning it also puts you in tune.

         

        Mind you, can you imagine the horror from the audience saying 'That guitarist is using autotune'

        • clay-man Just Startin' 155 posts since
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          Feb 28, 2013 3:05 PM (in response to dmpoole)
          Re: Auto tune feature for JTV?

          I didn't think it was stupid. The pitch shifting technology simply adds and subtracts pitch from the current string, so you needed to have it in E standard.

          It simply just adds and minuses semitones from what the string is tuned to.

           

          I do think it's stupid, to have a guitar horribly out of tune and ALWAYS rely on the processor to retune it. Talk about lazy.

  • phil_m Expert Line 6 User 4,243 posts since
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    Feb 28, 2013 6:28 AM (in response to chuskey)
    Re: Auto tune feature for JTV?

    I would be interested to hear how the Auto-Tune guitar performs in real life. Auto-Tune is a great thing, but it's not a miracle worker. If people try to depend on it too much, the artifacts become obvious pretty quickly. I think one thing about Auto-Tuning on an instrument like a guitar is that the DSP has to be able to figure out when you're going out of pitch on purpose like with a bend or using the trem and when you're simply not playing in tune. I'm sure that smart people know that, and they do something about it, but I think that's why many of these pitch correction things have problems sometimes.

      • phil_m Expert Line 6 User 4,243 posts since
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        Feb 28, 2013 7:53 AM (in response to chuskey)
        Re: Auto tune feature for JTV?

        I know it's not entirely fair to judge based on a video on the internet, but I wasn't particularly impressed with any of the tones in that demo.

          • phil_m Expert Line 6 User 4,243 posts since
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            Feb 28, 2013 8:53 AM (in response to chuskey)
            Re: Auto tune feature for JTV?

            I guess my point was is that if the pitch is accurate but the tones sound fake/bad because of it, than the feature doesn't seem too appealing to me. It seems to me for something like Auto-Tune to be of value it not only has to do the pitch correction well, it also has to leave the base tone as unchanged as possible.

  • DaddyV Just Startin' 9 posts since
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    Feb 28, 2013 2:56 PM (in response to chuskey)
    Re: Auto tune feature for JTV?

    I would think that we'd be better off with robo tuners like on the new Les Pauls! Or a basic model that just keeps JTV's in standard tuning as that's all is needed really?

    • clay-man Just Startin' 155 posts since
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      Feb 28, 2013 3:11 PM (in response to DaddyV)
      Re: Auto tune feature for JTV?

      I think the robo tuners are nice if you want to keep in tune if it's out of tune, but for alt tuning, I'd rather stick to digital, because tuning your guitar like that so much breaks the strings more often, and not to mention string tension issues.

       

      I think the down tuning to the Variax is pretty much spot on so I prefer that over robo alt tuning.

  • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User 11,829 posts since
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    Feb 28, 2013 5:48 PM (in response to chuskey)
    Re: Auto tune feature for JTV?

    just get new tronical tuners: http://www.tronical.com/

  • geebake Just Startin' 63 posts since
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    Mar 1, 2013 7:35 AM (in response to chuskey)
    Re: Auto tune feature for JTV?

    Anyone else a little miffed that they want you to buy 'Packs' of models and tunings? I suppose this isn't that unusual anymore, Hell I bought all the model packs for Pod Farm way back when. I guess I could live with paying for extra models, bit not tunings. I can't really see the value of a guitar that allows alt tunings that doesn't allow me to do custom tunings. This is the biggest problem I've had with the Roland VGs. Such a cool feature - locked up and kept out of my hands,

     

    Greg

    • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User 11,829 posts since
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      Mar 1, 2013 7:51 AM (in response to geebake)
      Re: Auto tune feature for JTV?

      do you mean Roland? line6 doesn't have packs either models or tunings for the variax line... all freely available.

      • geebake Just Startin' 63 posts since
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        Mar 1, 2013 10:34 AM (in response to TheRealZap)
        Re: Auto tune feature for JTV?

        No, I was reffering to the Autotune thing. If you look under the 'Producat' menu there you'll see 'Software Feature Packs" - each one offering different models and tunings. It seems that the product line is still in development to some degree, but I'm guessing that this won't change. When you buy the basic system, you only get the autotuny thing, a few alt tuning presets and some other features. If you want modelling or more tunings, you have to upgrade to differet packs and they're not particularly cheap.

         

        In the case of the Roland VG guitars you're just stuck with what it comes with to my knowledge. No way to do any other tunings than those that come built in.

        • YirWaffy Just Startin' 42 posts since
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          Mar 1, 2013 1:31 PM (in response to geebake)
          Re: Auto tune feature for JTV?

          In the case of the Roland VG guitars you're just stuck with what it comes with to my knowledge. No way to do any other tunings than those that come built in.

           

          My ancient VG-8EX has custom tunings. +/- 12 semitones on each string, IIRC. I think they took this feature out of the latest VG models.

          • clay-man Just Startin' 155 posts since
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            Mar 3, 2013 3:53 AM (in response to YirWaffy)
            Re: Auto tune feature for JTV?

            I can't really see any decent competition. It seems like Line 6 is the only one that knows what they're doing with guitar modeling.

            A lot of other modeling guitars seem to be using mag pickups. One of the reasons I think Line 6 uses piezos is because of the frequency response. I saw some video a long time ago with a good explaination about piezo pickups:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKFooUjcWGM

             

            You can make a piezo sound like pretty much anything because of the frequency range, but a mag cuts off a bunch of frequencies, so it's impossible to get let's say a humbucker to sound like a telecaster and vice versa, at least not decently.

             

            The alternate tuning stuff I'm seeing on this topic is pretty embarassing too. I don't get why you'd have to pay for alternative tunings. That's like having to put quarters into your guitar just to retune your guitar.

            The VG stuff is probably the best competition that the Variax has, but it's still not really worth it. Limiting the alternate tunings was a really bad idea. He could be talking about the Fender VG though.

            • player99 Just Startin' 111 posts since
              Dec 13, 2007
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              Mar 4, 2013 4:05 PM (in response to clay-man)
              Re: Auto tune feature for JTV?

              The Roland VG 55 has about 18-24 models and a much bigger range of + and minus frets (24 up. 24 down.) It will also allow strings to be muted. As well as the guitar models, it also gives access to 2 full independant Roland synths with 900 sounds each, and a full complement of roland effects. So added up, the GR55 gives you 4 independent voices at once plus effects: The 2 synths, the Variax style and the magnetic pickups.

  • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User 11,829 posts since
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    Mar 5, 2013 5:23 AM (in response to chuskey)
    Re: Auto tune feature for JTV?

    wow... these things go for 500$ new...

    some guy at a local craigslist thinks he's going to trade his for an american fender! hahaha

    http://charlotte.craigslist.org/msg/3653588745.html

     

    delusional.

    • clay-man Just Startin' 155 posts since
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      Mar 5, 2013 1:40 PM (in response to TheRealZap)
      Re: Auto tune feature for JTV?

      I was impressed by the price, but then I realized why the price was so low when you had to buy every single feature for the guitar.

      They want you to start from the bottom and buy everything which will eventually cost loads of cash.

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