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#1 takitiger

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 12:41 AM

Hey everybody,

 

something i noticed later and annoying me. 

 

I have a clean patch on my HD500 (using it with my Variax 600 with the ethernet cable) consisted of a clean fender amp, with a wah, compressor (tube), ovedrive (scream) another tube comp AFTER the amp and some delay and reverb.

Now, when I play clean, or with the comp it's wite alright, but, when i press the od, it seems like some "dry" signal is coming out to the speaker. The signal is not with effects. It's kinda like the one you get when you connect your guitar straight into a soundcard. It's annoying cause if i take a solo and i raise the volume it's quite audible and it's uncomfortable to play

My out is a straight mono jack into a mono channel of a mixer and my choice of input on HD is Variax for 1 and same for 2

 

Any help?


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 01:21 AM

I have a clean patch on my HD500 (using it with my Variax 600 with the ethernet cable) consisted of a clean fender amp, with a wah, compressor (tube), ovedrive (scream) another tube comp AFTER the amp and some delay and reverb.

Now, when I play clean, or with the comp it's wite alright, but, when i press the od, it seems like some "dry" signal is coming out to the speaker. The signal is not with effects. It's kinda like the one you get when you connect your guitar straight into a soundcard. It's annoying cause if i take a solo and i raise the volume it's quite audible and it's uncomfortable to play

My out is a straight mono jack into a mono channel of a mixer and my choice of input on HD is Variax for 1 and same for 2

 

maybe in your patch you are using only the top path A?

if so, and you have input2=same and the mixer block path B volume is not muted, together with the wet signal from path A you'll get also the dry signal from path B on your POD output


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#3 takitiger

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:30 AM

Yes, I am using just the A path, I never use both paths since I don't have "dual sounds". And yes the mixer is also the same level as the A path (+ 3.0 if I remember correct) and off course panned in the middle (or NO pan) since I play mono. In that case what can I do? Should I put the volume of the path B in the mixer ALL the way down? (mute) Can't I have my amp going through both channels of the mixer? Is the volume from path A enough for my patch?

 

Thanx for the quick response


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#4 moondancer

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:40 AM

Hi, you should mute the stereo channel B in the mixer.

you can also put all fx in front of the amp and the amp before the a/b path, Every fx that you use after the amp, you can put after the a/b path.

If you use only one output the stereo signal is mixed down to mono. But it is reported here by some guys, that the mono output is better if you put every fx in channel a and mute channel b!

Check it out, what is you favour!


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 04:03 AM

By saying "mute the B path" you mean to put the level of the "right channel" of the mixer all the way off, right?

Some effects I have before the amp and some others (like delay and reverb) I have after the "mixer"


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#6 hurghanico

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 04:12 AM

Yes, I am using just the A path, I never use both paths since I don't have "dual sounds". And yes the mixer is also the same level as the A path (+ 3.0 if I remember correct) and off course panned in the middle (or NO pan) since I play mono. In that case what can I do? Should I put the volume of the path B in the mixer ALL the way down? (mute) Can't I have my amp going through both channels of the mixer? Is the volume from path A enough for my patch?


yes, path B volume all the way down..
your path A chain of fx/amp will be still stereo (L + R) if you pan it in the center

just if you connect only 1 cable to the mixer it will become mono, with 2 cables will remain stereo
the resulting patch overall volume will be just standard and the same in both 2 ways of connecting to the mixer

 

anyway, just for your information, if you use the standard pre split position for the amp/fx models with input2=same, and the default pan settings (hard L and R) without muting anything, you'll get the same results as in the other solution


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 04:52 AM

I just remembered that I'm using the "pre" version of the amp. Is there any differense?


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:57 AM

I just remembered that I'm using the "pre" version of the amp. Is there any differense?

 

no difference from what we already talked about


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 03:24 AM

Could it be, that it's got to do with the occasional mono or stereo output of an effect (f.e mono or stereo delay, chorus) ????

 

Also, what's the ideal setting on the input if using JUST a variax? (f.e input 1 VARIAX, input 2 SAME) ?


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 05:08 AM

Could it be, that it's got to do with the occasional mono or stereo output of an effect (f.e mono or stereo delay, chorus) ????

Also, what's the ideal setting on the input if using JUST a variax? (f.e input 1 VARIAX, input 2 SAME) ?

 

1) since you use only the top path A and don't need a dry signal through path B (muting it), in this case input 2 can be any setting, doesn't matter, doesn't change anything because path A when separate can be reached only by input 1, pan A in this case is a balance control for L and R physical outputs, which at the outputs will remain stereo if you connect 2 output cables, otherwise they will be mixdown to mono with just 1 output cable connected

2) if you decide to use instead the default pre split chain, in this case input 2 setting is very important and makes a lot of difference..
this modality is triggered on by inserting at least one mono fx or amp in pre split chain, and is triggered off by moving everything in path A and/or path B..

inside the POD every signal get splitted in L and R, when the pre split chain is active (putting something over there) input 1 becomes the L side of the connected instrument and input 2 becomes the R side, therefore in this case if you set input 2 to something different from your connected instrument, you'll miss half input signal..

and also with pre split chain active pan A is a real pan (not balance) for the L side of the signal, and pan B is a pan for the other R side

some people here prefer the sound they get with the half input signal solution (different input 2)...

personally and generally I prefer input 2=same, but it may vary in some few cases

in path A separate it's impossible to get half input signal as it's reached always (when separate) by a full input 1 signal, and as I said before if channel B is muted to not get anything unwanted (dry signal or noise) in the way, input 2 doesn't matter at all

hope it helps at clarifying


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#11 takitiger

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:13 PM

I'm a little confused with what you're writing but THANK YOU for taking the time and effort

Here's the thing.

I have a sound, with wah, comp (usually vetta juice or tube comp), od (maybe 2 in series), then a clean bf lux, then BEFORE THE MIXER, a chorus, a comp again and a delay, then the mixer and a reverb afterwards

Does the thing that I have some fxs before the mixer means I'm splittin things?

Same kind of chain I have too with a dirty amp

Now, I have input 1 source variax, input 2 aux, guitar in Z 1m and inputs setup global

I'm going out from the L jack output (with LINE selected in button) straight into a mono channel in our mixer

 

Does it look alright?

 

(can you explain a little more about the "same" output?)

 

THANK YOU again


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#12 hurghanico

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:33 AM

I have a sound, with wah, comp (usually vetta juice or tube comp), od (maybe 2 in series), then a clean bf lux, then BEFORE THE MIXER, a chorus, a comp again and a delay, then the mixer and a reverb afterwards

Does the thing that I have some fxs before the mixer means I'm splittin things?

Same kind of chain I have too with a dirty amp

Now, I have input 1 source variax, input 2 aux, guitar in Z 1m and inputs setup global

I'm going out from the L jack output (with LINE selected in button) straight into a mono channel in our mixer

 

Does it look alright?

 

yes, nothing wrong with your setup

just, since you are using only path A, if your path B is muted (the most silent solution), doesnt' make any difference input 2 setting

 

at the end of your fx chain you have a delay and a reverb which are both stereo

remember that when you use only path A, pan A centered doesn't mean necessarily mono (L=R), but it means potentially stereo with perfectly balanced L and R, it depends on your last fx if is mono or stereo

 

since you are connecting to the physical POD output with only 1 cable (doesn't matter if left or right) the L and R internal outputs are automatically mixdown to 1 mono channel, and this method is all you need to get a mono output

 

(can you explain a little more about the "same" output?)

 

I think you meant to say "same" input (not output) in your question

 

well, in few words, only when you use the pre split chain to get a full input signal you need to set input 2 to "same"

 

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the POD internally processes and splits every signal in L and R, in separate path A and B at the beginning of each chain and before hitting any block, this signal split happens automatically, therefore each path gets a full signal L+R

 

but in pre split chain (which is active only if you put something there) there isn't the same automatic split of the input signal at the beginning of the chain, it's up to you to specify the needed parts L and R by setting input 1 and 2 respectively

 

in this latter case if input 2 ≠ "same" you'll miss half signal (ie the R side), nothing wrong (some people prefer that solution), therefore the initial signal will be weaker (and consequently you fx/amp will be less driven/distorted), and even so when that half signal will hit the first fx, will be automatically splitted in L and R, (L=R if mono, L≠R if stereo)


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