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#1 Mincer

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 06:01 AM

Maybe this is why they are saying the regular ol' HD500 is discontinuing. Hopefully there is an upgrade path for us HD500 owners if this turns out to be true. 


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 06:33 AM

Maybe this is why they are saying the regular ol' HD500 is discontinuing. Hopefully there is an upgrade path for us HD500 owners if this turns out to be true. 

That would be great but I doubt it would happen; if that's really an hardware upgrade as it seems to be, I guess they could only offer a discount to the existing users, but at that point I'm sure we could make a better deal by selling the HD500 on the used market.

 

Anyway if there are no improvements in the modeling technology or at least the chance to load external IRs, I don't think I'll upgrade. I pretty much learned to live with the other drawbacks of the unit...those are the only changes that would make a real difference for me.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 06:51 AM

when you translate the page, there is a note that says,  

Note: This is an old listing. This offers is no longer active on Koopjespakker.nl.
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Posted 21 June 2013 - 10:37 AM

It also says it won't be available till July 20th. 


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 10:50 AM

It also says it won't be available till July 20th. 

can you point that out to me?


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:51 AM

They took the page down...my guess is that L6 didn't like the scoop from the European retailers and told them so. There is a pretty lively discussion on The Gear Page (with pics).  I did see that date on the page today before they took it down. There is a tweet out there from the same retailer mentioning it too. 


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:23 PM

why does line6 leak info in Europe. they build in china and their based in california. i've seen this happen before 


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 07:56 AM

I'm at the What's Next conference in London right now, and they've just demoed it. The HD500X is going to be a hardware upgrade, new foot switches with improved surrounds and an improved DSP unit which will allow for more effects to be used simultaneously.
The price will be the same, so it looks to be a complete replacement for the ordinary 500
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Posted 06 July 2013 - 11:27 AM

I'm at the What's Next conference in London right now, and they've just demoed it. The HD500X is going to be a hardware upgrade, new foot switches with improved surrounds and an improved DSP unit which will allow for more effects to be used simultaneously.
The price will be the same, so it looks to be a complete replacement for the ordinary 500

so the price for the 500 is coming down


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 01:27 PM

I'm at the What's Next conference in London right now, and they've just demoed it. The HD500X is going to be a hardware upgrade, new foot switches with improved surrounds and an improved DSP unit which will allow for more effects to be used simultaneously.
The price will be the same, so it looks to be a complete replacement for the ordinary 500

any interesting feature apart from the DSP power enhancement and new switches?


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 02:30 PM

Any idea if there will be an upgraded POD HD PRO as well?   I'm still sitting on a backorder of that and have been considering canceling the order given this possibility.  


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 02:49 PM

Any idea if there will be an upgraded POD HD PRO as well?   I'm still sitting on a backorder of that and have been considering canceling the order given this possibility.  

the pro usually comes sometime after the pedal. i'd hold off if you can


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 03:13 PM

I don't know who invented patience, but whoever it was never gave me any ;)   5 weeks on backorder so far, now this change, no clue if the PRO will be upgrade soon because Line 6 wont tell us anything and if I have to wait months I don't know if I will be able to keep this cash in my pants.   I'm stir crazy and the doc said if I don't snap out if it, he might have to sedate me.    I've even gone to an extreme of rationalizing if I sold my first born, ate Ramen noodles for  a month, I might just order the Axe FX II and be broke and happy.   LOL.      


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 03:56 PM

so the price for the 500 is coming down


Paul Foeckler didn't say specifically, but I'm assuming if the price of the 500X is going to be the same as the current 500, then either the 500's price will come down, or it will be discontinued
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Posted 06 July 2013 - 03:58 PM


any interesting feature apart from the DSP power enhancement and new switches?


Not that I could see, you should only have to wait one more week for the full specs guys, Marcus Ryle said it should be officially announced by the end of next week, if not the week after for sure.
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Posted 06 July 2013 - 08:38 PM

From a product marketing point of view a new HD is unlikely as the existing units are already up there with Fractal's Axe II and the Kemper's Profiling Amp. The Axe II beats it the FX dept and the KPA beats it in the Amp modeling if you stick with the original profile'd amp. 

 

All of these are not better tone wise than the real amps in a real room mic'd with a real mic thru a real vintage pre amp and real FX pedals in the chain.

 

Each of these multi FX units implants their own sonic signature and it is this that one tires of. (After a year I am still happy) It is true too for the same real amp and same pre amp and mic, you tire the sound after a while. 

 

Variety of tone inspires

 

If a new HD model did come out with even more advanced modeling and FX and unlimited or a huge looper memory as well as the   hardware upgrades mentioned  it would be worth upgrading to if Line 6 keeps the cost around the same amount. It would be successful

 

I really don't think just a hardware/memory upgrade is going to be as successful but as a model replacement it'll continue to entice the next up  coming over what Roland/Boss/Zoom/Digitech put out unless they outdo in the modelling dept.

It is a possibility to stay on top of the game.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 04:46 AM

Just want to remind everyone that all the major concerns and complaints people have with the HD500 (frequencies as percentages, lollipop EQs, etc see all the relevant threads) are NOT addressed by the release of the HD500X.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 06:08 AM

I was planning to get a G-Major 2 to go alongside the HD500, and I think I'm gonna stick to that plan.
That will be my hardware (and software) upgrade.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 06:39 AM

Just want to remind everyone that all the major concerns and complaints people have with the HD500 (frequencies as percentages, lollipop EQs, etc see all the relevant threads) are NOT addressed by the release of the HD500X.

if those are the final specs, I definitely agree...this seems like a good but partial fix of the old unit; at this point I would have waited some more time and released a brand new POD generation


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:25 AM

I can understand why they've done what they've done; it's exactly the same as when Boss replaced the RC20 with the RC20XL.

 

Processors and memory get so much cheaper so quickly that within a couple of years of releasing a unit, it actually becomes cheaper to manufacture with a faster processor or more memory as the older (in decreasing demand) parts lose the benefit of economies of scale.

 

So what do you do? Make a few basic cosmetic changes and flog the new, improved version for the same price.

 

I can't imagine many 500 owners (myself included) will see it as enough to upgrade, but it'll keep the product fresh for new customers - I bought an RC20XL when they came out, as I'd always seen the limited memory in the RC20 as a bit of a weakness so I hadn't bought one.


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:30 AM

if those are the final specs, I definitely agree...this seems like a good but partial fix of the old unit; at this point I would have waited some more time and released a brand new POD generation

 

The really disappointing thing about this is that, if they had plans to fix things like the EQs in the near future, you'd have thought they would've got it sorted in time to be on the spec sheet for the 500x.

 

This suggests to me that a fix is probably not forthcoming. Maybe it's time to have a closer look at the 11R.


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 02:21 AM

what I hope is that there will still be some firmware updates and support for our HD500, frankly I can live with the few hardware limits as I did till now

I'm pretty sure they can still do something to optimize resources..
for example, giving the ability to completely disable the looper, which at present is always ready and available using continually precious resources that might be available for other things

I wonder what second hand market value will have our HD500 after the new model will come out, whereas there will be still around the 400 and 300 models

I imagine that if a used 500 and a new 400 will have about the same market value nobody will buy a new 400 anymore except for the people wanting no second hand stuff
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Posted 09 July 2013 - 12:46 AM

If this means they will stop improving the current HD500, that is a very short life time. I wasn't expecting to have a discountinuate product in less than a year after buying it. Bad first experience with line 6
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Posted 09 July 2013 - 12:56 AM

In fairness the HD500 has been around a longer than a year, and the X looks more like a minor hardware upgrade. I would hope that this will extend the life of the HD series, with more firmware features in the pipeline. 


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:28 AM

what I hope is that there will still be some firmware updates and support for our HD500, frankly I can live with the few hardware limits as I did till now

I'm pretty sure they can still do something to optimize resources..
for example, giving the ability to completely disable the looper, which at present is always ready and available using continually precious resources that might be available for other things

 

That would be really good. Freeing up resources from something I never use. It shouldn't be done globally though, but on a per-preset basis, otherwise, turning the looper back on and trying to call up a heavily loaded preset would result in failure to load due to lack of free resources.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 02:00 AM

That would be really good. Freeing up resources from something I never use. It shouldn't be done globally though, but on a per-preset basis, otherwise, turning the looper back on and trying to call up a heavily loaded preset would result in failure to load due to lack of free resources.

 

yes, I agree ..
let say that you should be able to treat the looper as all other effects
being able to put it in the chain only if you want
as opposed to now which is always present turned on and available


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 03:46 AM

I would rather they just changed the pre/post option to pre/post/off.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 05:08 AM

I would rather they just changed the pre/post option to pre/post/off.

 

it depends on what you mean by "off"

because if an fx is still present in the chain and it's just toggled off it's still reserving the same resources it would use when it's on

to effectively free up it's dsp resources cost it must disappear from the chain, like for any other fx


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 05:20 AM

Indeed. "Off" was meant in the 'DSP sense'.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 05:57 AM

The problem with turning the looper block on and off is that the way that it's set up is that it exists outside of the preset. So even if there was some way you could turn it off globally to free up DSP resources, it could cause problems with presets that were near the DSP limit when it was turned back on.

 

I actually would be surprised if the looper used much in the way of DSP resources, though. It's not really doing anything that would be processor intensive.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:07 AM

Several of my major problems with the unit don't appear to be addressed (we'll see, once an official announcement is made).  There are some technical issues that Line 6 seems to refuse to acknowledge (see: anything Meambobbo has ever written on here) that bug the crap out of me.  I'm keeping my HD500 and considering non-Line-6 upgrade paths....I know that's a controversial topic, and I don't wanna get into it, I'm just saying that I'd rather stay Line 6, if only they fixed some glaring problems.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:32 AM

The problem with turning the looper block on and off is that the way that it's set up is that it exists outside of the preset. So even if there was some way you could turn it off globally to free up DSP resources, it could cause problems with presets that were near the DSP limit when it was turned back on.

 


certainly it is logical that the looper is outside the presets if you want to use it in pre and be able to change presets or settings in general while the looper is running

unfortunately it is not possible to measure approximately the weight it has on dsp since it is not possible to disable it

anyway I think wouldn't be bad as a solution to eliminate the looper as it is and replace it with a looper fx that works with the same logic of the other fx, just maybe with the limit that you can have only one looper per patch to not create confusion also with the dedicated board switches which can work obviously with just one looper at a time

sure by doing so we would lose the ability to change presets during the loop but would keep the
ability to change the settings of that single patch that contains the looper at the beginning of the chain, even if this solution would eat one of the 8 blocks,

but I suspect that in case of a looper fx restructuring there would be room for an added free ninth block

 

however I know that will never happen


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:55 AM

I don't think that disabling the looper would return much if anything in the way of useful DSP. The looper uses memory - not processing power. When recording it simply writes the output of the DSP processing (or the dry input in PRE position) to its internal memory - the recording is a very light processing load. On playback it simply routes an existing audio stream directly to the device outputs (if recorded in POST mode), or to the signal chain input for DSP processing (if recorded in PRE mode). On playback in POST mode It is analogous to the AUX input but a little faster and less demanding because it recalls the audio stream from its internal memory rather than from the external media. On playback in PRE mode the audio stream is simply added to the physical inputs - the DSP happens as the input signal goes through the chain.

 

Neither the record or playback activities of the looper use a noticeable amount of DSP, imho.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 09:21 AM

...The looper uses memory - not processing power. ...

 

..Neither the record or playback activities of the looper use a noticeable amount of DSP, imho...

 

probably you and our friend phil_m are both right.. who knows

 

actually mine is more of a mental speculation than else
I try to imagine which optimizations may still be possible to prolong the life of our device, but given the recent news and rumors I have to assume that everything
useful that could be done has been already done

 

and the HD500 development has ended, and reached its terminus

 

probably future developments will be avaible only for the new hardware coming out


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:57 PM

probably future developments will be available only for the new hardware coming out

 

As such it sounds like there's very little difference between the 500 and 500x, so I would imagine (or at least hope) that any future firmware upgrades would still apply to the 500 as well.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:15 AM

As such it sounds like there's very little difference between the 500 and 500x, so I would imagine (or at least hope) that any future firmware upgrades would still apply to the 500 as well.

So I hope too


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:52 AM

I share the same hope
but I have no many illusions

in the video of andertons-music, the demonstrator says that the new model will replace the old one
which makes me think that the old one will be discontinued
.. we'll see


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:57 AM

http://line6.com/sup...x-on-july-13th/

 

The above link is the announcement I found about the PODHD500x.  From what I can tell it's just a faster DSP and some better switches.  But in 3 days we should find out. 


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:31 AM

Guitar Guitar claim to have them in stock already.

 

http://www.guitargui...=13070214233158

 

If the only difference is more DSP and some new footswitches then I am good with my 500 for now.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 05:01 AM

Andertons video:

 

http://www.andertons...rce=Emailvision


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