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#41 doffe

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 05:32 AM

Ok, so new Editor then? 

But sounds are possible to transfer... 


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 05:36 AM

video talks alot about the led and the switches upgrade

increased processing power

Using the switches for 8 switches assigned to FX and getting out of a patch by bank change.

The dream rig sounds good

Okay, the stereo Amps and FX modeling is impressive.

The unexpanded looper is a big dissappointment.

 

Alright, now it seems much of a muchness. The memory or processor upgrade.

I wonder if it can be done on an exisiting 500? 

I bet it can be!

But for me I rarely go wild on the FX but 

hearing it I'd like to be able to.

Man shoulda sold my HD 500 when I had the chance.

Now it'll take a price dive so good time to get one on the used market.

I'll just have to keep it.

Thanks Line 6 for a gentle upgraded version so as not to break my 1year in HD500 purchase heart.


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#43 unperfectcircle

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:32 AM

As such it sounds like there's very little difference between the 500 and 500x, so I would imagine (or at least hope) that any future firmware upgrades would still apply to the 500 as well.

hope it too.

 

Glad to see better footswitches and more DSP power, but honestly I still can't see a real reason to upgrade.

In my opinion, even if it's an update to the previous unit, this version seems much more addressed to new users than old ones, which is completely ok from a marketing point of view. To me they should just be careful about the way they'll handle all the HD500 users regarding firmwares and stuff like that, because if they cut out all the existing owners from future upgrades in the long run they could hypothetically risk to lose more users than the ones they'll hopefully gain with this new product. Just my 2 cents anyway, I always wish the best and expect great things from Line 6! ;)


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:41 AM

​line6, you will  make the 500 up-gradable!! :angry:  :angry:  :angry: 


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:42 AM

nobody really mention the bean or pro


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:48 AM

My bet is the X model is an interim release mainly like you say to keep the new buyers purchasing. 

My guess is with even newer processing power there will be an even better model released in about a year or the next NAMM or two.

It'll be everything we have hoped for and more and be the model to own surpassing all other's in multiFX stakes.

Aside from all that has ever been desired in a new model the

next will have a built in multi track recorder operated via the current looper controls and the length of a single song is an amazing 45mins of total time.

Audio files can be imported and exported via usb or the new high capacity usb sticks from the inbuilt upgradable flash drive. Slots for cabinet IRs and the the means to IR any amp or chain of FX similar to profiling.

Totally possible and hopefully still in a similar cost ballpark.

 

Because of the new model being developed there will be an early upgrade for current models as part of the development. We get to test the next prior to its higher definition modeling.

 

Okay, a lot of wishfull thinking and you only get what you ask for so we better ask what we want in a friendly supportive non threatening manner over on the feedback page and we will be successful!


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:49 AM

hope it too.

 

if they cut out all the existing owners from future upgrades in the long run they could hypothetically risk to lose more users than the ones they'll hopefully gain with this new product.

 

I can see myself in that group but anyway, it's just one in a million


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 10:44 AM

 it is now possible to have different output modes simultaneously to apply. For example, you can set the jack outputs for a guitar combo or stack, and simultaneously the XLR outputs via the Studio / Direct mode deployment for use with a PA or recorder. All other functions and features have remained the same.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 10:47 AM

that seems like something that can be available with an update

 

 it is now possible to have different output modes simultaneously to apply. For example, you can set the jack outputs for a guitar combo or stack, and simultaneously the XLR outputs via the Studio / Direct mode deployment for use with a PA or recorder. All other functions and features have remained the same.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 11:05 AM

that seems like something that "SHOULD HAVE BEEN"(IMHO) available with an update


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 11:11 AM

not possible....

to do with the internal engineering....

or d/a conversion i forget which... but this was asked and answered long ago...

 

that seems like something that can be available with an update


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 11:21 AM

Just saw line6 Facebook update and they posted a pic of the hd500x im excited ! Lol yeah and I do hope they release a update for my hd500 lol
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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:49 PM

I want to be able to upgrade my HD500 :(


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:56 PM

Hey all, longtime no see/chat/whatevah.  Hope everyone's doing well.

 

HD500x...hmmm...interesting, yes.  I wonder how much dsp improvement there is, and whether it's possible to max out the dsp with intensive fx, amps, etc.?  Has there been any official comment on this from L6?  Or the beta testers?

 

Cheers,

 

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:15 PM

They never bothered changing the footswitch graphics on 2.22 lol. I they won't stop firmware updates for us 500 users & force us to buy another unit with 2x the power & round ring switch lights. It's so easy for em to say, hd500 are maxed out or whatever excuse they might have. I RECOGNIZE they don't owe us anything since they've been supplying firmware updates for years but the fact that there have still been unresolved issues with the crappy EQs etc., hope it leads them to keep including us.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:26 PM

Sounds good to me....


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:26 PM

Hey all, longtime no see/chat/whatevah.  Hope everyone's doing well.

 

HD500x...hmmm...interesting, yes.  I wonder how much dsp improvement there is, and whether it's possible to max out the dsp with intensive fx, amps, etc.?  Has there been any official comment on this from L6?  Or the beta testers?

 

Cheers,

 

F2k

hey boy, 'sup. what no comment on the new forum? been gone for a while, huh DADA?


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:54 PM

I'm not getting rid of my HD 500. I am not running out of DSP in my patches and I use dual amps and 6, 7 or even all 8 blocks.

I don't think the changes are worth it for me because I got a FRFR rig with two Power Engine 60's. I got 1/4" out to the PE60 for monitor and XLR out to FOH....works great for me

If you need that amp in the room feeling...then the HD500x is for you...eliminates the 4C method I think


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:23 PM

Hey all, longtime no see/chat/whatevah.  Hope everyone's doing well.

 

HD500x...hmmm...interesting, yes.  I wonder how much dsp improvement there is, and whether it's possible to max out the dsp with intensive fx, amps, etc.?  Has there been any official comment on this from L6?  Or the beta testers?

 

Cheers,

 

F2k

Hi Fester! I just got back on here myself. Just couldn't get the 500 to make me happy with many hours of time spent. Sold it and decided to get another X3 Live. I was more happy with that than the 500 so got another one. 

Lets see what this unit can do! 

Dan


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:48 PM

"Dynamic DSP with more power for amps and effects"

 

So how much more power?


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:51 PM

I've asked on their FaceBook status but haven't gotten a response. Anyone here know if it was a simple RAM upgrade, or was there other hardware/processing upgrades to integrate with the added DSP? It sounds like it would be synonymous to a computer upgrade from one memory slot to two, or doubling the capacity of the two cards (I have no idea of the hardware architecture of the Pods, BTW). Of course, this is assuming the motherboard and other components are compatible... Personally, I'd be willing to take the Pro apart and swap out some RAM if it meant doubling the DSP.


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#62 HDProJohn

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:52 PM

"Dynamic DSP with more power for amps and effects"

 

So how much more power?

It was doubled.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:54 PM

Anyone here know if it was a simple RAM upgrade, or was there other hardware/processing upgrades to integrate with the added DSP?

 

Actually, it's probably more analogous to upgrading the chipset in a computer - going from an i3 to and i7 or something like that. The DSP portion of it is an upgrade of raw processing power.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:08 PM

Actually, it's probably more analogous to upgrading the chipset in a computer - going from an i3 to and i7 or something like that. The DSP portion of it is an upgrade of raw processing power.

Could be. I looked at the situation as the modeling algorithms are already there and implemented into the processor, it is just a function of memory to be able to execute so many instances of whichever algorithm is being called upon; similar to recording in a DAW and the "compressor load" test that they use. Just saw Rain Computers do a compare/contrast test with different machines by loading X amount of compressors and monitoring computer resources. However, I'm no computer hardware jockey. Either way, if it was a processor upgrade or a RAM upgrade, would love to know if the new hardware of the 500x is able to interface with the existing hardware.


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#65 hurghanico

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:28 PM

the advanced manual is already avaible

http://line6.com/dat...h ( Rev A ).pdf


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:50 PM

 it is now possible to have different output modes simultaneously to apply. For example, you can set the jack outputs for a guitar combo or stack, and simultaneously the XLR outputs via the Studio / Direct mode deployment for use with a PA or recorder. All other functions and features have remained the same.

 

I don't think that is possible. According to the new hd500x manual, page 2-7:

 

"Note that this Mode setting affects the signal fed to several POD HD500X outputs: Balanced, Unbalanced & Phones outputs as well as USB Record Send & L6 LINK audio outputs"

 

Still the same as current hd500.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:50 PM

the advanced manual is already avaible

http://line6.com/dat...h ( Rev A ).pdf

That's funny, the manual is identical to the HD500 one.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:50 PM

Thanks John for the answer...

 

 

Thanks Hurghanico for the manual link..

 

Now Id like to see a detailed comparison chart between the HD500, the Pro, and the X...


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:07 PM

Now Id like to see a detailed comparison chart between the HD500, the Pro, and the X...

From whoever was updating the L6 FaceBook page:

Some people might want to upgrade, other folks of course will choose not to. The new POD HD500x has more processing power, tour-grade construction, and new switches and lights for more confident use on stage. It is still a POD HD of course, so when we make updates to the POD HD, all POD HD owners will be able to take advantage of them. And our commitment to customer service doesn't change one bit.

 

It honestly sounds like they only upgraded hardware and put some LEDs in a beefed up chassis. Fortunately, firmware upgrades will be universal. Again, makes me wonder, did they just swap part bins for a better RAM/processor in their assembly process? Really hoping that's the case.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:08 PM

That's great to hear, actually.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:14 PM

That and i believe the ability to have a different feed from the 1/4"s and the xlr's to do amps and FOH... or so is my understanding as i've not actually used one.

 

It honestly sounds like they only upgraded hardware and put some LEDs in a beefed up chassis. Fortunately, firmware upgrades will be universal. Again, makes me wonder, did they just swap part bins for a better RAM/processor in their assembly process? Really hoping that's the case.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:32 PM

The ability to send to a stage amp without mic or cab simulation on while sending to the PA with mic and cab simulation on, at the same time, would be a definite upgrade...


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 05:04 PM

I'll chime in.  I see NOTHING changed other than the chip, chasis, footswitches, and LCD screen, maybe RAM.  This seems aimed at the touring pro (at risk of scorning Pod HD Pro owners) who have shelled out for what seems like a now inferior product.

 

It's definitely about computing power.  More RAM only improves performance when you need to cache data to a disk or flash memory.  Maybe the chip itself has more cache, which is faster than off-chip memory, but I think it's clear we're looking at more raw processing power.  I doubt that the HD's algorithms are so large it has to ditch the ones that aren't processing and keep reloading them from flash.

 

I can attest that the HD500 footswitches are sub-par, and the upgrade is probably good.  Heard way too many stories ab footswitches not working.  One of mine occasionally gives me grief and I don't even tour with it.  Don't use it live, so I can't say if the LCD is an issue or not.  Can't hurt to improve contrast...

 

The raw power is welcome but the overall architecture is still bogged down.  Why not add more effects blocks?  Dual output?  IR loading?

 

WHAT THE ____ ARE THE DEVELOPERS IN THIS COMPANY DOING?!?!?!?!

 

And the best question.  Why in the ____ do the demo pics of the unit show NINE, YES NINE, effects in the chain.  It's a BS photoshop mockup, not a picture of the actual device, which supports a maximum of 8 effects.  Stinks of false advertising.

 

The only thing I'd use this for is to use the additional power to fit reverb in patches I otherwise couldn't, or an extra effect or two.  I have lots of patches like that.  But unless I can hock my HD 500 and get a 500X, spending less than $100 on the turnover, it's not worth it to me.  And there's a snowball shot in hell of that happening.

 

I'll be waiting for the next gen to come around.  I'm hoping Digitech or a dark horse will put out an amazing product, and maybe a new Kemper generation isn't too far away and used gen 1's aren't much more than $1000.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:05 PM

And the best question.  Why in the ____ do the demo pics of the unit show NINE, YES NINE, effects in the chain.  It's a BS photoshop mockup, not a picture of the actual device, which supports a maximum of 8 effects.  Stinks of false advertising.

 

Are you talking about this picture? Looks like 8 effect blocks to me... Are you sure you weren't counting the looper.

 

I actually wish they did have more effects blocks, too. Perhaps that's something that can be added now that there's more processing power.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:15 PM

Anyone know if I'd be able to load my patches from my POD HD 500 into the HD 500X?  I'd like to have a back up rig.  I'd get the X and use my old unit as a backup if I can load it straight but otherwise I'll probably pick up a used HD500 as a backup.  I use it live straight to the board and it works fine like that but always pays to have a backup, and I spent way too much time programming to start from scratch.  i have a separate patch for each song we do.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:02 PM

according to the andertons video... YES you can do this.

 

 

Anyone know if I'd be able to load my patches from my POD HD 500 into the HD 500X?  I'd like to have a back up rig.  I'd get the X and use my old unit as a backup if I can load it straight but otherwise I'll probably pick up a used HD500 as a backup.  I use it live straight to the board and it works fine like that but always pays to have a backup, and I spent way too much time programming to start from scratch.  i have a separate patch for each song we do.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:55 PM

Ah, was hoping they would at least make the looper functionally equivalent to the 20 year old DL4 or M series- you still can't control the volume of it with the exp pedal (according to the posted manual). I guess the good news is that it saved me from taking the hit on upgrading. Maybe one day they will add this to the 500 or X. 


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:36 AM

They just upgraded the unit, improving some physical issues for new buyers.

Why not, I don't think they expect people who already own one to buy a new one... People that felt limited by the DSP limit might be interested but probably not a lot of people.

 

What surprises me is that there is still no power switch :). This was an issue we heard everywhere when the HD500 was released !


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:48 AM

HD Pro X is also coming  :ph34r:

 

See the new Monkey download... Looks like a small slip from someone :)

 

 

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:56 AM

Officially released

http://www.youtube.c...JMSEZcS5o#at=12


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