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#61 HDProJohn

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:51 PM

I've asked on their FaceBook status but haven't gotten a response. Anyone here know if it was a simple RAM upgrade, or was there other hardware/processing upgrades to integrate with the added DSP? It sounds like it would be synonymous to a computer upgrade from one memory slot to two, or doubling the capacity of the two cards (I have no idea of the hardware architecture of the Pods, BTW). Of course, this is assuming the motherboard and other components are compatible... Personally, I'd be willing to take the Pro apart and swap out some RAM if it meant doubling the DSP.


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#62 HDProJohn

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:52 PM

"Dynamic DSP with more power for amps and effects"

 

So how much more power?

It was doubled.


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#63 phil_m

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:54 PM

Anyone here know if it was a simple RAM upgrade, or was there other hardware/processing upgrades to integrate with the added DSP?

 

Actually, it's probably more analogous to upgrading the chipset in a computer - going from an i3 to and i7 or something like that. The DSP portion of it is an upgrade of raw processing power.


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#64 HDProJohn

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:08 PM

Actually, it's probably more analogous to upgrading the chipset in a computer - going from an i3 to and i7 or something like that. The DSP portion of it is an upgrade of raw processing power.

Could be. I looked at the situation as the modeling algorithms are already there and implemented into the processor, it is just a function of memory to be able to execute so many instances of whichever algorithm is being called upon; similar to recording in a DAW and the "compressor load" test that they use. Just saw Rain Computers do a compare/contrast test with different machines by loading X amount of compressors and monitoring computer resources. However, I'm no computer hardware jockey. Either way, if it was a processor upgrade or a RAM upgrade, would love to know if the new hardware of the 500x is able to interface with the existing hardware.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:28 PM

the advanced manual is already avaible

http://line6.com/dat...h ( Rev A ).pdf


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#66 zaboomafoo

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:50 PM

 it is now possible to have different output modes simultaneously to apply. For example, you can set the jack outputs for a guitar combo or stack, and simultaneously the XLR outputs via the Studio / Direct mode deployment for use with a PA or recorder. All other functions and features have remained the same.

 

I don't think that is possible. According to the new hd500x manual, page 2-7:

 

"Note that this Mode setting affects the signal fed to several POD HD500X outputs: Balanced, Unbalanced & Phones outputs as well as USB Record Send & L6 LINK audio outputs"

 

Still the same as current hd500.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:50 PM

the advanced manual is already avaible

http://line6.com/dat...h ( Rev A ).pdf

That's funny, the manual is identical to the HD500 one.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:50 PM

Thanks John for the answer...

 

 

Thanks Hurghanico for the manual link..

 

Now Id like to see a detailed comparison chart between the HD500, the Pro, and the X...


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:07 PM

Now Id like to see a detailed comparison chart between the HD500, the Pro, and the X...

From whoever was updating the L6 FaceBook page:

Some people might want to upgrade, other folks of course will choose not to. The new POD HD500x has more processing power, tour-grade construction, and new switches and lights for more confident use on stage. It is still a POD HD of course, so when we make updates to the POD HD, all POD HD owners will be able to take advantage of them. And our commitment to customer service doesn't change one bit.

 

It honestly sounds like they only upgraded hardware and put some LEDs in a beefed up chassis. Fortunately, firmware upgrades will be universal. Again, makes me wonder, did they just swap part bins for a better RAM/processor in their assembly process? Really hoping that's the case.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:08 PM

That's great to hear, actually.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:14 PM

That and i believe the ability to have a different feed from the 1/4"s and the xlr's to do amps and FOH... or so is my understanding as i've not actually used one.

 

It honestly sounds like they only upgraded hardware and put some LEDs in a beefed up chassis. Fortunately, firmware upgrades will be universal. Again, makes me wonder, did they just swap part bins for a better RAM/processor in their assembly process? Really hoping that's the case.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:32 PM

The ability to send to a stage amp without mic or cab simulation on while sending to the PA with mic and cab simulation on, at the same time, would be a definite upgrade...


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 05:04 PM

I'll chime in.  I see NOTHING changed other than the chip, chasis, footswitches, and LCD screen, maybe RAM.  This seems aimed at the touring pro (at risk of scorning Pod HD Pro owners) who have shelled out for what seems like a now inferior product.

 

It's definitely about computing power.  More RAM only improves performance when you need to cache data to a disk or flash memory.  Maybe the chip itself has more cache, which is faster than off-chip memory, but I think it's clear we're looking at more raw processing power.  I doubt that the HD's algorithms are so large it has to ditch the ones that aren't processing and keep reloading them from flash.

 

I can attest that the HD500 footswitches are sub-par, and the upgrade is probably good.  Heard way too many stories ab footswitches not working.  One of mine occasionally gives me grief and I don't even tour with it.  Don't use it live, so I can't say if the LCD is an issue or not.  Can't hurt to improve contrast...

 

The raw power is welcome but the overall architecture is still bogged down.  Why not add more effects blocks?  Dual output?  IR loading?

 

WHAT THE ____ ARE THE DEVELOPERS IN THIS COMPANY DOING?!?!?!?!

 

And the best question.  Why in the ____ do the demo pics of the unit show NINE, YES NINE, effects in the chain.  It's a BS photoshop mockup, not a picture of the actual device, which supports a maximum of 8 effects.  Stinks of false advertising.

 

The only thing I'd use this for is to use the additional power to fit reverb in patches I otherwise couldn't, or an extra effect or two.  I have lots of patches like that.  But unless I can hock my HD 500 and get a 500X, spending less than $100 on the turnover, it's not worth it to me.  And there's a snowball shot in hell of that happening.

 

I'll be waiting for the next gen to come around.  I'm hoping Digitech or a dark horse will put out an amazing product, and maybe a new Kemper generation isn't too far away and used gen 1's aren't much more than $1000.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:05 PM

And the best question.  Why in the ____ do the demo pics of the unit show NINE, YES NINE, effects in the chain.  It's a BS photoshop mockup, not a picture of the actual device, which supports a maximum of 8 effects.  Stinks of false advertising.

 

Are you talking about this picture? Looks like 8 effect blocks to me... Are you sure you weren't counting the looper.

 

I actually wish they did have more effects blocks, too. Perhaps that's something that can be added now that there's more processing power.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:15 PM

Anyone know if I'd be able to load my patches from my POD HD 500 into the HD 500X?  I'd like to have a back up rig.  I'd get the X and use my old unit as a backup if I can load it straight but otherwise I'll probably pick up a used HD500 as a backup.  I use it live straight to the board and it works fine like that but always pays to have a backup, and I spent way too much time programming to start from scratch.  i have a separate patch for each song we do.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:02 PM

according to the andertons video... YES you can do this.

 

 

Anyone know if I'd be able to load my patches from my POD HD 500 into the HD 500X?  I'd like to have a back up rig.  I'd get the X and use my old unit as a backup if I can load it straight but otherwise I'll probably pick up a used HD500 as a backup.  I use it live straight to the board and it works fine like that but always pays to have a backup, and I spent way too much time programming to start from scratch.  i have a separate patch for each song we do.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:55 PM

Ah, was hoping they would at least make the looper functionally equivalent to the 20 year old DL4 or M series- you still can't control the volume of it with the exp pedal (according to the posted manual). I guess the good news is that it saved me from taking the hit on upgrading. Maybe one day they will add this to the 500 or X. 


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#78 killergege

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:36 AM

They just upgraded the unit, improving some physical issues for new buyers.

Why not, I don't think they expect people who already own one to buy a new one... People that felt limited by the DSP limit might be interested but probably not a lot of people.

 

What surprises me is that there is still no power switch :). This was an issue we heard everywhere when the HD500 was released !


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:48 AM

HD Pro X is also coming  :ph34r:

 

See the new Monkey download... Looks like a small slip from someone :)

 

 

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:56 AM

Officially released

http://www.youtube.c...JMSEZcS5o#at=12


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