Gfer1484 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Ok. I am by no means a sound guy but would like some advice on how to get rid of the unwanted fizz and the low end rumble, I play nothing but metal. I mainly use the TreadPlate with the 4X12 Tread V-30 or XXL, I use the dual amp setup, always starting out with a noise gate in the first FX block. My hardware is a Marshall 100MG DFX and a Marshall ValveState 2000 30, the POD HD500X is directly hooked to the FX loop on both amps, and the POD is set to Line/Direct, I can get great metal tones but have a hard time getting rid of the fizz and low end rumble, I play a lot of Drop C and B tuning. So I am looking for some good eq starting point and which eq would work the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueViolince Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 All amps should have a high-pass filter in the DEP. Start at 20Hz, and roll it up until the rumble disappears. You can use the Mid-focus EQ as a bandpass filter, or you can just use the global EQ to pass off the high fizz. Alternatively, set a noise gate early in the chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfer1484 Posted April 12, 2015 Author Share Posted April 12, 2015 What Freq band should I start at with the eq to cut out the high fizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazuwa Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Have you seen MeAmBobbo's guide? http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/eq#fizzy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfer1484 Posted April 12, 2015 Author Share Posted April 12, 2015 Lets say I find the spot around 75% and dial back the gain, then again at 85% and dial back the gain will the effect only be applied to the 75 and 80 spot and not have an effect on the rest of the freq range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjnette Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Depends on the Q or width. If it is wide it will effect more than those two freq. If the shape is narow than closer to the freq you select. Though a 75 and then a 85 % is too close and will be wide even if both are narrow Qs. Generally the PODHD EQs are fairly subtle compared to Audio Software plug in EQs. Ultimately use your ears but you got to train them first. For the OP my advice is a little study of the actual natural bandwidth of amp'd guitar in question and popular mics frequecy responses and capsule or more correctly basket resonances. eg some better amps don't produce much at all above 15k. Usually less. zero in on the fizz and it is likely the digital spectrum available rather then a fault in the reproduction of the sound. Attenuate a high shelf. but often fizz will be in the 8k and above range. Try shelving there and now digital is more natural. Second a reference recording of the tone you are after. eg an older 60s 70 tone will have less bandwidth due to the tape and playback gear of the time. This generally equates to a slight shelving of the higher frequencies even from as low as 3or5k but you might need to restore a parametric peak or two to get it to cut well in a mix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfer1484 Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 Thank You for the advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spawn2031 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Hey man, I play all metal as well, I use all Shecter guitars but am running into a FRFR cab. The best way that I found to FINALLY work the unwanted tones out of my rig was with an actual hardware post 31 band EQ. I got a relatively inexpensive Alesis 2ch eq and had a sound guy friend come over to help me out. After all was said and done it was very obvious that if I had used the EQs in the pod to finalize this tone then using a very small Q would have worked best. Many frequencies that are right next to each other are at several db level gaps so a smooth transition from one frequency to the other (large Q) wouldn't have worked out well here for me. Personally I really like this solution because 1) I finally have my sound right 2) I find it easier if I can actually see all of the bands and have control over them with a flick of a slider 3) One less block and DSP I have to worry about getting chewed up! May not be the way for everyone but it worked for me and my metal tone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medievil1 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 you want a 100k lowcut and a 6k high cut. However you can get them (DAW, filters at the end of the chain, Global EQ etc..) a 4db cut @ 2.6k will give nice results as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgos02 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 you want a 100k lowcut and a 6k high cut. However you can get them (DAW, filters at the end of the chain, Global EQ etc..) a 4db cut @ 2.6k will give nice results as well a high pass filter at 100 Hz will kill a bit of your tone and a low pass filter at 6k will kill A LOT of your tone. a 4db parametric cut also might be a bit harsh In my opinion and personal experience you have to be more gentle with the EQ's and avoid cutting so much of your guitar's tone. That's why you should trust your ears every time. Also keep in mind that the eq settings that works for someone with a specific guitar/strings/pickups/amp/cab/mic, might not work for you as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medievil1 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 a high pass filter at 100 Hz will kill a bit of your tone and a low pass filter at 6k will kill A LOT of your tone. a 4db parametric cut also might be a bit harsh In my opinion and personal experience you have to be more gentle with the EQ's and avoid cutting so much of your guitar's tone. That's why you should trust your ears every time. Also keep in mind that the eq settings that works for someone with a specific guitar/strings/pickups/amp/cab/mic, might not work for you as well. anything below 100hz or above 6khz is unwanted for guitar anyway...you want the bass guitar to be in the lower range, and symbols in the upper..I am not talking drastic sharp cut off... gradual.. from 6k to 10k and from 100hz down to about 50... as for the mid cut.. it flattens out the sound... the POD HD's seem to have a bid of a high mid boost built in... 3.5 to 4db isn't as drastic as you think.. Running the pod out into the power amp of my 50watt marshall and it gives a perfect sound.. not boomy or fizzy, just good hard crunch with perfect mids... I've nto noticed guitar/pickups etc making much of a tonal difference on the pods outputs... yes some , but not drastic like you think... same settings sound perfect on my LP, SG and Strat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoguyy Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 anything below 100hz or above 6khz is unwanted for guitar anyway...you want the bass guitar to be in the lower range, I guess you haven't met any 9-string players that then go the extra mile by tuning down 4 half-steps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgos02 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 anything below 100hz or above 6khz is unwanted for guitar anyway...you want the bass guitar to be in the lower range, and symbols in the upper..I am not talking drastic sharp cut off... gradual.. from 6k to 10k and from 100hz down to about 50... as for the mid cut.. it flattens out the sound... the POD HD's seem to have a bid of a high mid boost built in... 3.5 to 4db isn't as drastic as you think.. Running the pod out into the power amp of my 50watt marshall and it gives a perfect sound.. not boomy or fizzy, just good hard crunch with perfect mids... I've nto noticed guitar/pickups etc making much of a tonal difference on the pods outputs... yes some , but not drastic like you think... same settings sound perfect on my LP, SG and Strat Sorry bro, but these EQ settings dont work for me with my 7string guitar at Drop G# or Open F. I guess you haven't met any 9-string players that then go the extra mile by tuning down 4 half-steps. Exactly that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akeron Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Drop G? To quote Public Enemy (and probably Tony Iommi on Volume 4) "Bass, how low can you go".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoguyy Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Just buy a bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medievil1 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Sorry bro, but these EQ settings dont work for me with my 7string guitar at Drop G# or Open F. Exactly that. well of course there are exceptions... you are basically talking about a guitar and bass combo, so you would NEED the lower frequencies... I was talking about a guitar player, 6 string guitar frequencies...I don't consider 7,8,9 stings a guitar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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