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#1 Line_6_Al

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:53 AM

Line 6 would like to thank all of you for paying to be product testers for our HD500 series.      

 

We know it hasn't been an easy road.  

 

However, it is because of you that we have upgraded the DSP, included foot-switches that will last and signal routing, that untill now you could only achieve with the HD400 series.

 

It is YOU that have developed the HD500X!!

 

THANK YOU!!!!

 

Here is a link so that you can purchase the new and improved HD500X:

 

http://www.musicians...cts-processor 


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#2 Astaroth_CY

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:01 PM

Did your testers ever mention anything about displaying frequency instead of percentage in EQs? Honest question. Also, will firmware updates to the HD500X also apply to the HD500?

 

 

Edit: I'm leaving my original post up, but I just realized the OP sounds a lot like a joke post... If it's a joke, you got me. If not, wow. Poe's law, I guess.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:06 PM

yup... you been had.

 

 If it's a joke, you got me. If not, wow. Poe's law, I guess.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:07 PM

Well played. That'll teach me to fire off a reply after speed-reading a post.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 02:04 AM

Whats this signal routing advance?


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 02:31 AM

Line 6 would like to thank all of you for paying to be product testers for our HD500 series.

That's exactly how I feel, like a beta tester who paid, instead of being paid.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 03:03 AM

Whats this signal routing advance?

 

ooops...my mistake...signal routing remains the same...jumped the gun on that one... :wacko:


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 05:21 AM

I don't think there is any need to feel down about having a POD HD 500.

It has been out since 2011. It is now 2013 and the Amp and FX are still the same. Just our three year old technology 

didn't get the HD500X' Processor. And three years is an "age" in computing hardware terms.

No real need to be disguntled.

What would be really cool is if the guts of the HD500 can accept the processor/memory as an upgrade. Now that would be real cool.

Imagine being able to get an upgrade kit from Line 6 and an easy swap out that you could do it yourself. Now that would be cool!

It would be so cool I'd get the DT25 and then a Variax with support like that.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 05:23 AM

I hope someone does a HD500X teardown...


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 05:40 AM

It has been out since 2011.

 

Actually, it's been out since 2010. It was announced in September 2010, and was available for purchase almost right away. I got mine in October 2010. So it's been almost three years, which if you consider the typical life-cycle of electronics, that's getting up there.

 

I actually think that the HD stuff has probably been a pretty solid release for Line 6. It has been nearly bug-free from the start. There have been a few minor things, butt overall, it seems like a stable platform for them. I think the release of the HD500X actually probably points to that. I do hope that with the additional horsepower available now that they use that as a launching pad for some new software changes.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 11:41 PM

Yeah I think I'll hold out a while until their next closer to the ideal SUPER POD HD PRO.

But if you like making new sounds and that is the modern trend the 500X would be a must have.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 10:33 AM

I don't think there is any need to feel down about having a POD HD 500.

It has been out since 2011. It is now 2013 and the Amp and FX are still the same. Just our three year old technology 

didn't get the HD500X' Processor. And three years is an "age" in computing hardware terms.

No real need to be disguntled.

 

Sorry but i have to disagree with you. Now my pod 500 has no market value, i paid 500 euro for the pod and after all the things that disappoint me like eq freq in PERCENTAGE!?! (and no documentation that helps for this, we are not mad thanks to people like Meambobbo and Jim Reynolds that we can still make it) and DSP limit reached with double amp...why allowing double amps if you cannot add more than a fx and you get DSP limit!?

You launch a new product that is exactly the same with a hardware upgrade. I think all the pod hd500 owner feel like they were robbed, i feel a bit like that. I hope will come out a new firmware that fix some of the issues of the pod because i don't think it was not a good market strategy to launch the podhd500x.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 10:48 AM

there was no marketing strategy at all for current hd500 owners... this was never a product designed to get current owners to buy....

 

please send me your no value hd500... because i know i can get 350-400$ for it all day long....

(which then makes an upgrade if you HAVE to have it only 100-150$)

 

Sorry but i have to disagree with you. Now my pod 500 has no market value, i paid 500 euro for the pod and after all the things that disappoint me like eq freq in PERCENTAGE!?! (and no documentation that helps for this, we are not mad thanks to people like Meambobbo and Jim Reynolds that we can still make it) and DSP limit reached with double amp...why allowing double amps if you cannot add more than a fx and you get DSP limit!?

You launch a new product that is exactly the same with a hardware upgrade. I think all the pod hd500 owner feel like they were robbed, i feel a bit like that. I hope will come out a new firmware that fix some of the issues of the pod because i don't think it was not a good market strategy to launch the podhd500x.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 10:52 AM

after 2 years using the pod hd direct in mixer, gigs, 4 per week, I concluded that the only amp with drive, which I can be satisfied is the lead plexi 100, this is the only one who can sound organic, the others all seem artificial, the cleans convince me more
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Posted 19 July 2013 - 11:15 AM

That's exactly how I feel, like a beta tester who paid, instead of being paid.

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 11:43 PM

after 2 years using the pod hd direct in mixer, gigs, 4 per week, I concluded that the only amp with drive, which I can be satisfied is the lead plexi 100, this is the only one who can sound organic, the others all seem artificial, the cleans convince me more


Totally agree with this. I just can't dial "organic" tone with any of the distortion amps (uber, dual recto, slo). All have this fizziness/harshness. It's the same problem since the old POD XT.
On the other hand, the patch I design with plexi lead and dual screamer is amazing.
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Posted 20 July 2013 - 11:53 PM

Totally agree with this. I just can't dial "organic" tone with any of the distortion amps (uber, dual recto, slo). All have this fizziness/harshness. It's the same problem since the old POD XT.
On the other hand, the patch I design with plexi lead and dual screamer is amazing.



exact, because one thing is to make recordings at home via usb, so the sound drives well and is much more easy to drive with the amps sound good, but something else is playing live and getting each day depending on a pa different, and so the one who convinces me is the plexi with tube screamer
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Posted 21 July 2013 - 06:18 AM

Actually, it's been out since 2010. It was announced in September 2010, and was available for purchase almost right away. I got mine in October 2010. So it's been almost three years, which if you consider the typical life-cycle of electronics, that's getting up there.

I actually think that the HD stuff has probably been a pretty solid release for Line 6. It has been nearly bug-free from the start.


Nearly bug-free, but those few bugs hounded me.

I, too, bought my HD500 in Oct 2010. It had the volume start up problem. I started a support ticket, but returned it while I could. I bought a HD400 to replace it. I liked the HD500 better, so I bet that L6 would probably fix it, at some point. I traded up to the HD500, again, and with the new unit and new firmware, the low volume start up problem was gone.

It was OK...I figured I would get a handle on the fizziness/harshness because so many others seemed to be having no problem.

I had always wanted a rack-mount and when that was available I sold the HD500 on eBay and bought the HD PRO. The Pro had the volume-dropping problem, which is different from the volume start-up problem. I started a Support Ticket and L6 was very helpful. Their support team worked with me for months and eventually sent me three units before I received one that worked properly. My experience with L6 support is that they are excellent and thorough. It did take a long time to get there, as they had me try a lot of things along the way.

I ended up selling the HD PRO a few months ago. I just couldn't achieve, live, what so many of you seem to do. No matter how many times I read meambobbo's excellent guide, or how many threads I read, I couldn't get rid of the fizziness/harshness. I heard it in the cleans and I could never get the high-gain amps to 'cut through the mix'. Even though I read meambobbo's guide many times, I couldn't bring myself to have mulitple EQ's running to reduce fizz and/or boost different mids to cut through. I tried...too much effort and not worth it to me.

I never found the presence and ambiance in the HD's that I get with my vintage Fenders and pedalboard.

I just gave up and went the simpler route.

ps...I still own lots of L6 gear and continue to be a fanboi. Four Flextone III+'s with two extension cabs and three FBV Shortboards. They sound great to me for recording, theater orchestra pits and my bedroom...lol...don't really cut through in a high-volume 'live' situation, however, but talk about a great saturated OD at low volume...wow! I own two G50 and one G90 wireless, also that are great. I look forward to future L6 releases!


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 07:08 AM

Sorry but i have to disagree with you. Now my pod 500 has no market value, i paid 500 euro for the pod and after all the things that disappoint me like eq freq in PERCENTAGE!?! (and no documentation that helps for this, we are not mad thanks to people like Meambobbo and Jim Reynolds that we can still make it) and DSP limit reached with double amp...why allowing double amps if you cannot add more than a fx and you get DSP limit!?

You launch a new product that is exactly the same with a hardware upgrade. I think all the pod hd500 owner feel like they were robbed, i feel a bit like that. I hope will come out a new firmware that fix some of the issues of the pod because i don't think it was not a good market strategy to launch the podhd500x.

 

research
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I wasn't robbed - I got what I paid for because I took the time to make sure I was getting what I wanted. If I want a piece of software, I research it, try the demo and if I don't like it, I tell the company why I'm not buying their product.

 

By some of the reactions to the HD500X I gather that when I go to the supermarket and see products I have used for years that are now "New and Improved" or "Super" or "Ultra" that I should feel like a pissed off beta tester who got robbed of taste, or functionality, or scent, or cleaning power, etc.

 

Your HD500 probably has more market value than you think. I'm pretty sure that even in a limited market I could find someone who has done the research on both the HD500 and HD500X and would buy mine for $400 to save $100 for a fractional loss of DSP that most users don't use anyway.

 

Since Line 6 has created a site for suggesting product ideas, instead of whining maybe you should suggest something. For example, if you really believe that the HD500X is exactly the same except for hardware, then might it not be possible for Line 6 to redesign the HD series into something like a computer that allows for hardware upgrades? Maybe they could sell a standard unit with X amount of memory and 1 DSP but have expansion slots for adding more memory and DSPs. Maybe they could program the HD Edit software with preferences for user-configurable unit displays.
 


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 01:36 PM

research
re·search
[ri-surch, ree-surch]
noun
1. diligent and systematic inquiry or investigation into a subject in order to discover or revise facts, theories, applications, etc.

 

I wasn't robbed - I got what I paid for because I took the time to make sure I was getting what I wanted. If I want a piece of software, I research it, try the demo and if I don't like it, I tell the company why I'm not buying their product.

 

By some of the reactions to the HD500X I gather that when I go to the supermarket and see products I have used for years that are now "New and Improved" or "Super" or "Ultra" that I should feel like a pissed off beta tester who got robbed of taste, or functionality, or scent, or cleaning power, etc.

 

Your HD500 probably has more market value than you think. I'm pretty sure that even in a limited market I could find someone who has done the research on both the HD500 and HD500X and would buy mine for $400 to save $100 for a fractional loss of DSP that most users don't use anyway.

 

Since Line 6 has created a site for suggesting product ideas, instead of whining maybe you should suggest something. For example, if you really believe that the HD500X is exactly the same except for hardware, then might it not be possible for Line 6 to redesign the HD series into something like a computer that allows for hardware upgrades? Maybe they could sell a standard unit with X amount of memory and 1 DSP but have expansion slots for adding more memory and DSPs. Maybe they could program the HD Edit software with preferences for user-configurable unit displays.
 

+1

 

I bought mine knowing full well the limitations and benefits.  For $500 nothing could touch the HD500 in terms of practicality AND tone.  It's a sturdy (generally speaking, power plug and USB excluded), feature-filled tone box with a ton of flexibility.  I'm not butthurt that they came out with an updated (slightly) version for the same coin.  If I had bought it a month ago I'd be bummed, but I'd talk to my music retailer to return it.  If you've had yours for years, you have no reason to gripe.  I don't hear iPhone users complaining when a new one comes out.  Either they keep what they have, or they shut up and buy the newest toy if it matters that much.  Get over it.


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