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#21 DeanDinosaur

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 03:36 PM

  For $500 nothing could touch the HD500 in terms of practicality AND tone. ...

That was the case before Eleven Rack came down in price to around 350 at ebay. In terms of practicality it depends on what you do. For live the POD is the winner but for recording and tone the Eleven is in a completely higer league in modeling and even though it doesn't have as many effects as the POD, but the effects are much better quality specially the reverbs, EQ, Rotary and the rest of modulations. you can also easily do Re-amping from the software and once you playing the models in Eleven Rack it's very hard to go back to play the models of the POD.

 

Ever since I got the Eleven, My HD500 sits as a controller for the ELeven Rack  and that's all it does. . I thought  line 6 was going to update or refine the modelings, but I'll give it till the end of the summer and if EQ and amp models aren't refined, I'll get rid of my HD500. I'm not looking for more amps, just better quality. Still I have much more amps in the Eleven because in many of the amps two channels are modeled and counted as one amp not the way line 6 count amps. 


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 06:06 PM

For live the POD is the winner but for recording and tone the Eleven is in a completely higer league in modeling

 

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 06:56 PM

Everything you say is correct Dean.  I am a gigging musician that needs a ton of sounds that I can integrate with other pedals I own without needing to spend extra for a MIDI pedal to make it work.  I looked at the Eleven Rack and still continue to do so, but I'm not a computer rock star.  I play live, though amps and mic'ed through PA, so for MY needs, my HD500 and DT25 fit the bill perfectly. 

 

That was the case before Eleven Rack came down in price to around 350 at ebay. In terms of practicality it depends on what you do. For live the POD is the winner but for recording and tone the Eleven is in a completely higer league in modeling and even though it doesn't have as many effects as the POD, but the effects are much better quality specially the reverbs, EQ, Rotary and the rest of modulations. you can also easily do Re-amping from the software and once you playing the models in Eleven Rack it's very hard to go back to play the models of the POD.

 

Ever since I got the Eleven, My HD500 sits as a controller for the ELeven Rack  and that's all it does. . I thought  line 6 was going to update or refine the modelings, but I'll give it till the end of the summer and if EQ and amp models aren't refined, I'll get rid of my HD500. I'm not looking for more amps, just better quality. Still I have much more amps in the Eleven because in many of the amps two channels are modeled and counted as one amp not the way line 6 count amps. 


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:18 AM

That was the case before Eleven Rack came down in price to around 350 at ebay. In terms of practicality it depends on what you do. For live the POD is the winner but for recording and tone the Eleven is in a completely higer league in modeling and even though it doesn't have as many effects as the POD, but the effects are much better quality specially the reverbs, EQ, Rotary and the rest of modulations. you can also easily do Re-amping from the software and once you playing the models in Eleven Rack it's very hard to go back to play the models of the POD.

Ever since I got the Eleven, My HD500 sits as a controller for the ELeven Rack and that's all it does. . I thought line 6 was going to update or refine the modelings, but I'll give it till the end of the summer and if EQ and amp models aren't refined, I'll get rid of my HD500. I'm not looking for more amps, just better quality. Still I have much more amps in the Eleven because in many of the amps two channels are modeled and counted as one amp not the way line 6 count amps.


If you decide to sell it, hit me up. I'd like a backup to leave at our practice space.
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Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:16 AM

I'd bet the level of one's hurt, resentment, and/or treason :ph34r: is directly proportional to how recent our purchase was of the HD500.

 

I had the money in August 2012 but it took me just over a month of comparison and investigation via this forum, music stores and youtube video's to make my purchase in October. So with not even having it a full year and paying full price, I'd say my level of 'hurt' is about "3" (1 = slightly hurt; 10 = extremely hurt). I also realized the HD500 had been out for over a year (although not since 2010 <_< ) when I bought it. My last Line 6 purchase was the PODXT-Live in about 2006 :unsure: .

 

Some here in this forum may never buy another Line 6 product again but it's still (mostly) a free market and Line 6 will either survive their product line strategy or not. When it comes time for me to buy another piece of guitar gear, I'll still include Line 6 in my comparison research. ^_^

 

P.S. Yep the EQ's are just silly/stupid. I don't use them! Thankfully I get enough EQ within the Amp model and my amplifier or when going direct, I'll have the sound guy boost or cut the 2K-3K range just a bit.


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:45 AM

here's a review from December 2010 (date in the URL) http://www.premiergu...500_Review.aspx

 

it was most certainly released before the review!

that and some of us, had the beta before that...

 

also the first public firmware release.

Flash Memory       Version 1.10.00
Released 9/30/10

 

 I also realized the HD500 had been out for over a year (although not since 2010 <_< )


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:51 AM

there was no marketing strategy at all for current hd500 owners... this was never a product designed to get current owners to buy....

 

please send me your no value hd500... because i know i can get 350-400$ for it all day long....

(which then makes an upgrade if you HAVE to have it only 100-150$)

This ebay search of completed Pod HD500 sales would indicate otherwise my friend:

http://www.ebay.com/...omplete=1&rt=nc

 

Edited to add that this does not include eBays gouging scheme where they drain your profit.....and then there's shipping and the hassle involved.

 

Second Edit: And when wide spread word of HD500x hits the not so up to the minute consumer, the HD500 will be worth even less.


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:55 AM

I'd bet the level of one's hurt, resentment, and/or treason :ph34r: is directly proportional to how recent our purchase was of the HD500.

 

Bingo....


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 11:01 AM

well i see them on the local craigslist for 350-400$ all the time... no fees, and they never last long...

but yeah, i use the ebay sold listings to find prices all the time... great resource... the price will always go down though...

especially when people are currently able to find new hd500's at @400$ closed out....

once the new store stock is gone the price should bump back up a hair.

This ebay search of completed Pod HD500 sales would indicate otherwise my friend:

http://www.ebay.com/...omplete=1&rt=nc

 

Edited to add that this does not include eBays gouging scheme where they drain your profit.....and then there's shipping and the hassle involved.

 

Second Edit: And when wide spread word of HD500x hits the not so up to the minute consumer, the HD500 will be worth even less.


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 11:04 AM

well i see them on the local craigslist for 350-400$ all the time... no fees, and they never last long...

but yeah, i use the ebay sold listings to find prices all the time... great resource... the price will always go down though...

especially when people are currently able to find new hd500's at @400$ closed out....

once the new store stock is gone the price should bump back up a hair.


I've sold lots of stuff on Craigslist, and sometimes it was even for what I was asking for it (wink wink) lol

Seriously though, I was just pointing out that I believe you numbers for used POD HD 500s are a tad optimistic....

As for the pricing outlook?  Well, yeah if it were me and I was just looking right now, I'd be searching out a discounted HD500 because the small bump in performance isn't worth the extra quid to me anyway. But when there was no HD500x, the difference between the $500 HD500 and the $400 HD400 was enough to get me in the flagship model lol...

As an aside, last night I plugged my very first Fender Strat with CS69 pickups into my mostly Fulltone pedalboard with a new Ditto looper and straight into my DRRI and I found a little bit o' nirvana there....


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 11:08 AM

you gotta be optimistic! :)

but seriously though... even @300$ which is on the low side, that takes a big chunk out of the upgrade cost... if you HAVE to have it.

for myself, the modest upgrades on the X doesn't have me scrambling.

 


I've sold lots of stuff on Craigslist, and sometimes it was even for what I was asking for it (wink wink) lol

Seriously though, I was just point out that I believe you numbers for used POD HD 500s are a tad optimistic....


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 11:10 AM

you gotta be optimistic! :)

but seriously though... even @300$ which is on the low side, that takes a big chunk out of the upgrade cost... if you HAVE to have it.

for myself, the modest upgrades on the X doesn't have me scrambling.


I am totally about optimistic brother...

You are correct in that if you act quickly, and sell the HD500 for as much as it'll go for, you can get the HD500x at a bit of a discount.  Trouble there is I need a new roof, and my motorcycle can always use a few doo dads so I might as well keep the HD500 and go for a ride!....


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 11:15 AM

Sounds like a plan! :D

I think that waiting a little will bring the value up a bit...

they may get slightly more common used, but there is unlikely to be many used 500X's or any discounts on the 500X's.new.

between the rush to upgrade, and the discounted 500's new.. it's probably the worst time to sell.


I am totally about optimistic brother...

You are correct in that if you act quickly, and sell the HD500 for as much as it'll go for, you can get the HD500x at a bit of a discount.  Trouble there is I need a new roof, and my motorcycle can always use a few doo dads so I might as well keep the HD500 and go for a ride!....


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 11:18 AM

Sounds like a plan! :D

I think that waiting a little will bring the value up a bit...

they may get slightly more common used, but there is unlikely to be many used 500X's or any discounts on the 500X's.new.

between the rush to upgrade, and the discounted 500's new.. it's probably the worst time to sell.

 

 

Agreed...don't look now but I just changed your rating to hold three sequential sixes...


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 11:39 AM

I'd bet the level of one's hurt, resentment, and/or treason :ph34r: is directly proportional to how recent our purchase was of the HD500...

There might be some of that but but there are also those who were early adopters who left several feedback and requests only to be completely ignored by the company. I know a few on this forum who couldn't deal with the EQ situation and abandoned ship.

 

For me personally I try not to get emotionally attached to my gear, if I hear something that sounds better, I will choose it. In general most of us are like that, if line 6 didn't make good sounding gear, no one will be here. But when for the same price you can get better sounding gear, are you going to feel that it's "treason" to buy an Eleven Rack?  ;)  :o  .  Even if line 6 was more responsive with feedback and bonded with their customers, sound is ultimately what guitar players are looking for. I hope line 6 will improve the modeling because  the HD PRO is inferior to Eleven. This will be serious competition considering that Eleven is half the price! :ph34r:


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 03:56 PM

Look at it this way ... you can double your DSP power with $300.- pretty soon (and you get twice the foot switches ;-)
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Posted 23 July 2013 - 05:25 PM

"I bought mine knowing full well the limitations and benefits."

 

I doubt that you knew all its limitations or benefits before you bought it,  unless you beta tested it before hand (product tester) or you have powers we normal humans don't. ; )

You however may have been able to figure things out faster than I did...The concept of how it worked (for me) is my main gripe, because it took me about 2 full years too get my

head around some of it. So yes, Ive had mine for years and I do have reason to gripe. Even if I am getting decent tones out now, the alien in it still rears its head at times

and yells I AM NOT ADJUSTED LIKE A REAL AMP SO DONT EVEN GO THERE! Im not butt hurt about it as you stated some may be, but it was a learning curve and still is at times.

Getting over it isn't the point. Dealing with it was, and still is at times..... As always YMMV...


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 05:56 PM

Look at it this way ... you can double your DSP power with $300.- pretty soon (and you get twice the foot switches ;-)

You got that Right, I'm definitely considering getting a second Eleven Rack for $300. But at three hundred dollars the HD500 is a huge value considering it can be a controller and effect processor also, but for modeling...Meh


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