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#1 Patyk1986

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 03:01 AM

Hello

I just bought a DI Box and I have a problem with getting a wet signal with it.
I want to record a tube preamp through it and to have the advantage of easy editing. So I want to record it with the preamp connected and I want to keep that sound but to have a waveform that is easier to edit. The problem is that I dont hear the preamp at all, Reaper is recording just the dry signal. Could somebody tell me how to set it up ? Am I missing something ?

Connection:
guitar=DI Box IN
preamp=DI Box OUT->preamp IN
interface=DI Box->XLR->Mic In of my Tone Port

The DI Box is a Palmer 01, recording is set up for mic input 1.

 


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#2 BigChas52

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 04:57 AM

Make sure that you are recording the processed signal.  Usually that is sends 1&2.  You need to have POD Farm or Gearbox running in order for Reaper to record a processed signal.


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#3 Patyk1986

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 04:59 AM

Yes, I have the send 1 set for the recording. But opening gearbox is not an option because I want to record it with the preamp's tone that is connected to the DI Box, not with the Line6 tone from Gearbox/Podfarm.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 05:29 AM

How are you getting the signal from the pre-amp into your DI?


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#5 Patyk1986

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 05:43 AM

Cable coming from the OUTput of the DI Box and going into the INput of the preamp. I watched some tutorials on YT on recording DI and everything is connected properly.


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#6 Triryche

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 06:32 AM

If you are recording via USB you need to do this

 

Guitar>>Preamp>>Toneport DI

 

Anything in your physical signal chain after the Toneport DI will not be sent to your DAW via USB.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 06:42 AM

You seem to be missing the part about getting the signal out of your pre-amp and into your TonePort.  The DI Box is only acting as a splitter and sending the dry guitar to the TonePort.


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#8 Triryche

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 06:47 AM

LOL!!

 

I missed the part where he states what the DI box is.

 

I was thinking he had a preamp going into a Toneport DI Silver or Gold.


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#9 Triryche

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 06:52 AM

Is it possible you do not have the correct switches engaged on the Palmer?


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 06:53 AM

Try this . . .

 

Guitar --> Pre-amp in

Pre-amp out-->DI 1/4" In

DI XLR Out-->Toneport Mic In

 

You could also plug the pre-amp directly into the TonePort's line-in's and eliminate the DI.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 06:54 AM

Is it possible you do not have the correct switches engaged on the Palmer?

With what he is describing, there is no active feed coming from the pre-amp in this config.


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#12 Triryche

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 06:55 AM

Is it an  A/B-Y box, so he might have some other routing need?


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#13 Triryche

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 07:00 AM

+1 to BigChas

 

Try this . . .

 

Guitar --> Pre-amp in

Pre-amp out-->DI 1/4" In

DI XLR Out-->Toneport Mic In

 

You could also plug the pre-amp directly into the TonePort's line-in's and eliminate the DI.


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#14 Patyk1986

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 07:48 AM

Try this . . .

 

Guitar --> Pre-amp in

Pre-amp out-->DI 1/4" In

DI XLR Out-->Toneport Mic In

 

You could also plug the pre-amp directly into the TonePort's line-in's and eliminate the DI.

 

I tried it and it worked. I mean, I can hear the preamp now. Now, there's still a problem because the waveform does not look like a DI signal, looks almost the same as my line-recorded preamp signal. And I want to use this DI Box to be able to edit easier. I set up two tracks to record, one with send 1 and the other with send 3. But they both seem to be wet and they are the same visually, not good.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:01 AM

In order to get both a wet and a dry signal, you'll have to feed signals into the TonePort twice; a dry one from the DI/splitter, and a wet one from the pre-amp.  The TonePort cannot take a wet signal and make it dry.

 

I'm not sure what you are trying to do will work with your current setup.

 

Does your pre-amp have either an XLR input or XLR output?  If so, I can suggest something that will work.

 

Another suggestion . . . Why don't you use the TonePort as the pre-amp?  There are several decent pre-amps in there.  Use sends 1&2 as processed and 3&4 as unprocessed.


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#16 Patyk1986

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:38 AM

Yes my preamp has an XLR line out. What do you mean by using the TP as a preamp ? I think that when I record I should have two tracks armed at the same time. The first one should get me the wet signal and the other one a dry signal which should be different visually. That would be ok too. Cause I would "see" on the dry signal where to cut/paste in the wet signal. I would just edit them both at the same time.


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#17 Triryche

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:27 AM

Which Toneport do you have?


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#18 Patyk1986

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:42 AM

UX 2.


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#19 Triryche

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:32 AM

When you say wet and dry, do you mean the dry has your preamp and the wet has your preamp + Pod Farm tones?


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#20 Patyk1986

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:46 AM

By wet I mean only the tone from the preamp. I dont use gearbox at all when recording. By dry I mean a clean signal without any tones, a DI signal.

I mean this device is supposed to split my signal into two just like BigChas52 said. So while I have the preamp connected to it, I should end up with two simultaneously armed tracks which record those two seperate signals. IDK.

 

 
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