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#1 Astaroth_CY

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 11:34 AM

I was just asked on Reddit to list the obvious issues that should have been fixed, so I'm copying it over here and asking everyone to chip in anything I've missed.

 

Hardware:

  • USB port breaks too easily
  • No power switch
  • Power supply is flimsy and cheap
  • No true bypass (sucks tone)
  • Screen is way too small for live use

 

Software:

  • Very infrequent firmware updates
  • No global EQ
  • No way to completely remove the looper to free up DSP
  • Looper is a nightmare to use
  • Parameters on certain effects sometimes work very counter-intuitively
  • EQ parameters controlling frequency are displayed in percentage instead of Hz (this is my "favorite")
  • No graphic EQ
  • When running dual amps, there are some issues with phasing that I don't fully understand, but are well documented (see memabobbo's work and others')
  • No way to run one amp through two cabs, you have to use two amps (chewing up DSP) and have to individually adjust the amp parameters on each even if you want both to be the same
  • Some of the effects are virtually unusable (Vintage Pre and Synth-O-Matic come to mind)
  • If you adjust an amp parameter using the knobs on the Pod, there is no way to see what your original setting was
  • Possibly the worst: NO PEAK METER!!!

 

PC interface:

  • The unholy unusable awkward mess that is Pod HD Edit
  • Problems caused when using the Pod while connected to a computer with HD Edit open (see recent thread reporting it)

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 11:54 AM

Have you considered using the new Ideascale area for these ideas? It's the official web-based format to give Line 6 product feedback.

http://line6.ideascale.com/

 

http://line6.com/sup...e6ideascalecom/

 

 

I'm not trying to discourage you or others from using this thread. It's just that your feedback will carry more weight, and will certainly have more visibility within Line 6, if you put this info where they are looking for it.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 12:09 PM

Thanks, that's a great idea. I think what I'll do is I'll wait for a few people to contribute their opinions, then compile everything and submit it to Ideascale.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:34 PM

In what way are the vintage pre and synthomatic unusable?


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:55 PM

I'm sorry, but that list is too large and not well though out. To copy and paste makes it difficult to read what resembles a  laundry list. It would be better if you had started with items that you yourself find objectionable. 

My thing is I would like the advancement to be in the amp models  and not just to have extra processing power. I don't use dual amps and for those who use the effects only and no amps, the HD500 is more than enough.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 02:24 PM

In what way are the vintage pre and synthomatic unusable?

Well, in my hands anyway and a few others who chimed in when I posted this back on the old forum, the Vintage Pre is useless because all it does is distort the signal. The only way to not have distortion is to have it at near zero gain, in which case it isn't preamplifying anything. On a couple of occasions I've asked for people to post their settings with the Pre if they've made a successful tone with it but haven't seen any yet.

As for the synth-o-matic, it is just so erratic and near impossible to get it to sound good. There was a recent discussion about it. Once again, if you have a good tone that uses it to generate a synth sound, please post it.

I'm sorry, but that list is too large and not well though out. To copy and paste makes it difficult to read what resembles a  laundry list. It would be better if you had started with items that you yourself find objectionable. 
My thing is I would like the advancement to be in the amp models  and not just to have extra processing power. I don't use dual amps and for those who use the effects only and no amps, the HD500 is more than enough.

I'm confused. Isn't that exactly what I've done? That IS a list of items I personally find objectionable. That isn't a copy and paste, I wrote all of it. It's not my fault if it's a long list, there's that many issues! Coming up with a laundry list of fixes we'd like to see is exactly what this thread is about, so I really don't understand what you're saying. And yes, everyone would like more amp models, but that's clearly distinct from actual PROBLEMS with the thing. And, btw, you should use dual amps/cabs, it's great. If you use effects only, sell your Pod and get an M13.
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 03:30 PM

It would be cool to be able to use one amp dual miked


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 07:02 PM

I would have been nice to have different colors for the footswitches (based on the type of FX used), for example... in A-B-C-D, it'd be nice to see these colors:

OD/Dist = Yellow
Delay = Green
Reverbs = Orange

Modulation = Blue

Filters = Purple

And for the presets, red.

(this would be also useful if you don't use presets but just individual pedals)


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 11:31 PM

I for one think there are a lot of plus points to the POD HD 500 which outweigh any less than ideal product release.

While there are no absolutes in the physical universe I do think that yes the critiquing of the product by users is a valid source of improvement that Line 6 I am sure is aware, hence, ideas scale 


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:05 AM

More usable, intuitive EQs.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 03:03 AM

In some amps the level of breakup seems lower than normal, so you have to boost the input with an effect (or two) in front of it.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 03:35 AM

add a guitar god button


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:25 AM

Here is my list, and I guess these suggestions are for the desktop version, if it ever comes:

 

  • For someone like me, that never run dual amps or many effects, they could have made new, more detailed algorithms that could take advantage of that extra DSP power, they could even call them Super HD. ;)
    It would be up to the user to use either the HD or Super HD versions.
  • Why aren't there on/off axis versions of every recording mic?
  • Fix the modelling on the SM57's, they actually sound better on the XT.
    Did they make the same mistake as Avid and modelled a vintage mic?
  • Add an Orange amp with a corresponding cab! :)
  • Why not an SVT bass amp too?
  • A decent acoustic guitar simulation that we could throw way back in the mix. No, I'm not gonna buy a Variax. ;)
  • Add another Tweak control button, that Tweak control is a great feature.
  • Even though the black color is nice, nothing says Line 6 Bean as that deep, red color. :)

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:29 PM

I agree with the infrequent firmware updates that's really starting to annoy me when I look over at Fractal Audio and see they're at version 10x or whatever for the Axe-FX II....as for the the Edit software yes it could be better, I don't know if I would trust it on stage setting but it works really really well with my dream rig, I love turning a knob on the DT, HD PRO, JTV, pressing down on the foot-switch of the FBV and seeing whatever I'm doing in real time on the edit software from any of the devices I mentioned...maybe that's due to the fact I'm using the POD HD PRO Edit software, I don't have any of those issues you mentioned....

 

I'm also a little concerned in the original YouTube video L6 posted yesterday about the 500x, L6 compared the POD HD 500 to the iPhone 4 with the HD500x being the iPhone 4s....that leads me to believe if I'm going to stick with Line 6 for my rack FX and amp modeling, I'll need to buy a new device every year just like I do with apple (although I get the iPhone's for free since I simply trade in the older iPhone....hmm something to think about Line 6 a trade in program right???)

 

I really like the way Fractal Audio handles the AxeFx II with all of the updates I've seen released....having said that, I don't have that kind of money for the unit in addition to the foot controller....but if I'm going to have buy a new L6 device every year to keep up...idk Fractal sounds very intriguing to my nerdy amp modeling mind....

 

I was just asked on Reddit to list the obvious issues that should have been fixed, so I'm copying it over here and asking everyone to chip in anything I've missed.

 

Hardware:

  • USB port breaks too easily
  • No power switch
  • Power supply is flimsy and cheap
  • No true bypass (sucks tone)
  • Screen is way too small for live use

 

Software:

  • Very infrequent firmware updates
  • No global EQ
  • No way to completely remove the looper to free up DSP
  • Looper is a nightmare to use
  • Parameters on certain effects sometimes work very counter-intuitively
  • EQ parameters controlling frequency are displayed in percentage instead of Hz (this is my "favorite")
  • No graphic EQ
  • When running dual amps, there are some issues with phasing that I don't fully understand, but are well documented (see memabobbo's work and others')
  • No way to run one amp through two cabs, you have to use two amps (chewing up DSP) and have to individually adjust the amp parameters on each even if you want both to be the same
  • Some of the effects are virtually unusable (Vintage Pre and Synth-O-Matic come to mind)
  • If you adjust an amp parameter using the knobs on the Pod, there is no way to see what your original setting was
  • Possibly the worst: NO PEAK METER!!!

 

PC interface:

  • The unholy unusable awkward mess that is Pod HD Edit
  • Problems caused when using the Pod while connected to a computer with HD Edit open (see recent thread reporting it)

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 03:26 PM

I noticed there was no "dry output" port on this new version of Pod. Glad they got rid of that useless thing for us Variax digital guitar port users because it didnt work in digital mode with their own digital designed guitar... They did add in an "aux in" port in addition to the FX send and LR receives, and an analog in guitar input. So I wonder what the aux in port is for? Not being able to control the balanced outputs and unbalanced outputs add ons "separately" and then send these signals to the proper stage and PA (at the same time with the right tone setup) is a minus for me.

 

 

 

"and will certainly have more visibility within Line 6, if you put this info where they are looking for it."

 

 

 

And as far as updates or anything else go's, as long as Line 6 shelters themselves from the people of this forum by not using a L6 spokesperson to address and discuss with us (and even disagree) current and future plans they may have (within reason of course) along with the ideas and requests that we have,  they will never equal the Fractal Audio guys, or any other.... This I dont know and even if I did I cant say crap is as worthless as the dry output port was for a Variax user.... Why in the world are they not looking for ideas and discussion about their own products on their own user forum pray tell?


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:47 PM

I'm also a little concerned in the original YouTube video L6 posted yesterday about the 500x, L6 compared the POD HD 500 to the iPhone 4 with the HD500x being the iPhone 4s....that leads me to believe if I'm going to stick with Line 6 for my rack FX and amp modeling, I'll need to buy a new device every year just like I do with apple (although I get the iPhone's for free since I simply trade in the older iPhone....hmm something to think about Line 6 a trade in program right???)

 

Hi Colin,

 

For the record, you most certainly do not get the upgraded iPhone for nothing. They sign you up to a new contract each time. The iPhone is effectively paid for by taking payments out each month. It's simply a way of doing financing, and making the end-user think they get it for nothing. Part of your monthly bill is for Apple, part for your telephone company. The rates are cheaper if you already own the phone.

 

I am however a tad disappointed that Line 6 seems to have a separate firmware release for the HD500x. The differences are so small compared to the HD500, yet with it's own firmware relase I am concerned that over time the HD500x will get updated, but the HD500 will not. Like it hasn't be all year, despite indications at the beginning of the year we were about to get some exciting new features. Definitely a concern. I'd just like to see some of the most obvious things fixed, especially the ludicrous % frequency. I like the sounds, but come on, fix some of the simple. There's some crazy stuff in there. I just hope I don't see the fixes in the HD500x, and not in the HD500. That will definitely make me worry about line 6's concern about their customers. And while I'm ranting, whatever happened to JTV acoustics and JTV Basses? Line 6 said they were definitely in their thoughts 3 years ago. I guess that's still the case. Not sure what's happening over there, but things have been slower the last year or two (maybe everyone was busy working on their sound-stage stuff).


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:58 PM

Hi Colin,

 

For the record, you most certainly do not get the upgraded iPhone for nothing. They sign you up to a new contract each time. The iPhone is effectively paid for by taking payments out each month. It's simply a way of doing financing, and making the end-user think they get it for nothing. Part of your monthly bill is for Apple, part for your telephone company. The rates are cheaper if you already own the phone.

 

I am however a tad disappointed that Line 6 seems to have a separate firmware release for the HD500x. The differences are so small compared to the HD500, yet with it's own firmware relase I am concerned that over time the HD500x will get updated, but the HD500 will not. Like it hasn't be all year, despite indications at the beginning of the year we were about to get some exciting new features. Definitely a concern. I'd just like to see some of the most obvious things fixed, especially the ludicrous % frequency. I like the sounds, but come on, fix some of the simple. There's some crazy stuff in there. I just hope I don't see the fixes in the HD500x, and not in the HD500. That will definitely make me worry about line 6's concern about their customers. And while I'm ranting, whatever happened to JTV acoustics and JTV Basses? Line 6 said they were definitely in their thoughts 3 years ago. I guess that's still the case. Not sure what's happening over there, but things have been slower the last year or two (maybe everyone was busy working on their sound-stage stuff)

OK, wrong analogy, I meant I get the new technology selling the older model to Radio shack or wherever and getting the newer model with the money from the trade in....not trying to get into ATT bills on this forum, but thank you for pointing that out to people that don't know ;) .....anyway I agree with the JTV acoustics and basses as I'm now in the market for a new acoustic...but how about JTV Update anything???? Come on L6 I was so pumped up for the 2.0 firmware and HD Workbench and it's disappeared as we see new products, speaker systems, and new devices rather than the firmware update we should be getting. They are working on the sound-stage stuff clearly....I miss the old days of an actual firmware update to anything I own from Line6, that does not include the soundscape...


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:05 PM

This one seems almost too easy but this is the kind of thing Digitech had in the old 2112 preamps...

 

The ability to store fx scenes and use them when building another tone. I would love to be able to save several of my "go-to" chorus settings and select the one I want loaded to the fx block I just added to my new tone. With the current setup, I have to go find the tone with the settings I like, write down (or memorize) the settings and then go back to the new tone and update the settings. I don't use the editor to create my tones...so this would be nice to be able to this with something other than the HD Edit software. Even my little cheap Roland GS-10 has the ability to do this...wtf L6? Major oversight since I am constantly having to use the same starter EQ settings to fix the tone or even get an effect to work right.

 

Would love to have parameters that don't exist on a pedal like the ability to adjust the amount of script phase without getting creative with left and right inputs...etc. It only has one parameter...why not add a level parameter...just sayin' (<---I'm not a digital modeling purist...I personally think this should be added to every effect in the POD)

 

Why does adding almost every EQ to a patch automatically distort the tone without backing off the volume to a whisper? I agree that something added like a peak meter would be steller!

 

Still would be nice to be able to use two separate mic's on a single cabinet (like a 57 close miked and a U87 15 feet away in the "room")

 

Separation of the modeled power amps from the preamps would be great so you could actually create a loop that sounds and effects the tone like an effect in an amps loop. The effects that are post amp sound like effects added at a recording console...not the same. I used to love the sound that my old RE-301 tape echo sounded like in the series loop of my amp...rolled off the aggressiveness of the amp tone.

 

Oh yeah...the old AxSys 212 had a button to compare the original tone to the current tone when editing. Why isn't this available on the current stuff?

 

Oh yeah...yeah...and world peace! ;)


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:19 PM

. That isn't a copy and paste, I wrote all of it. It's not my fault if it's a long list, there's that many issues! Coming up with a laundry list of fixes we'd like to see is exactly what this thread is about, so I really don't understand what you're saying. And yes, everyone would like more amp models, but that's clearly distinct from actual PROBLEMS with the thing. And, btw, you should use dual amps/cabs, it's great. If you use effects only, sell your Pod and get an M13.

I'm sorry for being vague, I must've wrote that before I had coffee that day. Please accept my apology.

 

At any rate here's what I really want to say. Unfortunately, and I feel bad when I say that, Line6 don't seem to really care about anything posted on this forum or any other forum. They must get some reliable market research from other sources. I don't mean to go on a rant, but I honestly think it's a waste of time requesting anything from them. I visit this board to learn new tricks and see if I can be of help when I have time. Anyone who thinks this is an unfair statement has to answer this question: If line 6 paid attention to anything on message boards, how come they never addressed the dreadful EQ situation after three years and hundreds of customers requesting changing the retarded lowsy EQ even if it's changed in the editor at least which can't be that difficult with the skill levels they have????!!!  they don't even have the courtesy to respond to any post or issue on this forum unless you start a support ticket.

 

This forum is just to save them money by having good-natured volunteers (they probably call them suckers) who save line 6 customer service man hours (dollars).  They make good money (line 6, not the volunteers), and alot more of it than Fractal or Kemper, for those who seem to think that you have to spend over 2 grands to get participation from company employees with information and feedback.

. I wrote line 6 off already. many long term users are also souring on line6, line 6 don't know it because their sales are still good.  I'm sure they're doing good and they don't need me but I have a feeling that I can't be the only one who feels the lack of caring and deterioration of line 6 image. I think their best years are behind them as I won't be buying any more line 6 products based on my experience with the POD HD500..Let me stop here and finish by saying what sums it all up

 

"Don't waste your breath"


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:38 PM

I gave up on my HD500 and bought a Kemper. Yea...the cost is 4x as much but it smply is WAY easier to use and sounds 10x better. Reading this Forum....I remember why I left the HD 500! Now..it's going to be my Midi Floorboard for the Kemper.

 

VERY disappointed to hear how little they actually changed with the release of the 500x. Very disappointed.


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