Jump to content


Photo

Let's Put Together A List Of Obvious Things That Line6 Could Have Fixed With The Hd500x


  • Please log in to reply
68 replies to this topic

#21 Guitarmaniac64

Guitarmaniac64

    Just Startin'

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 79 posts

Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:24 PM

I gave up on my HD500 and bought a Kemper. Yea...the cost is 4x as much but it smply is WAY easier to use and sounds 10x better. Reading this Forum....I remember why I left the HD 500! Now..it's going to be my Midi Floorboard for the Kemper.

 

VERY disappointed to hear how little they actually changed with the release of the 500x. Very disappointed.

Ok i havent heard one in real life but for what i have heard thrue studio speakers with a studio soundcard on a shitty promotion youtube film from some music stores aka anderton,swetwater etc etc it DONT sound 10x better hell i am not sure it is 2 times better..

 

Better perhaps (most likely) but 10x? nope i dont belive that... 


  • 0

#22 DeanDinosaur

DeanDinosaur

    Gear Head

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 692 posts

Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:53 AM

Ok i havent heard one in real life but for what i have heard thrue studio speakers with a studio soundcard on a shitty promotion youtube film from some music stores aka anderton,swetwater etc etc it DONT sound 10x better hell i am not sure it is 2 times better..

 

Better perhaps (most likely) but 10x? nope i dont belive that... 

I used to have the same attitude and rationale, but at the same time I always knew that those who buy and spend 4 times the dollars can't all be deaf or are they??  The answer I found was no, they're not deaf. What convinced me is when I recently bought the Eleven Rack that used to sell for double the price of HD500 at some point, not anymore and that's when I decided to buy one. For modeling I have a budget of 500 and I don't want to spend more than that so getting an Eleven for close to $300 fit the bill perfectly.

 

After a week with Eleven, I can clearly hear how eleven Feels and sound significantly better than the HD so now I have no doubt that AXE II and Kemper will sound and feel significantly better than the rest. I don't even use the HD models anymore at all and I just bought the Eleven Rack. Saying 10x or 20x is just a figure of speech that I might use personally because I set my budget not to exceed 500 (for now) on modeling. AT over 2k I can buy  a few real tube amps, that will sound better than any modeler for live use and small clubs (can't argue this point since modeler model the miced sound so they will almost always sound inferior to the amp in the room sound). Even amplitube is catching up with HD and it can actually be made to sound better much quicker.

If the modeling isn't improved when double the processing power is available, clearly line 6 is not serious about modeling. Watch out when the new revalver comes out this year. HD modeling will sound like a toy in comparison even though HD modeling is quite good and mite be good enough to fool most listeners, but POD farm and Pod 2.0 can fool most listener also!


  • 0

#23 Akeron

Akeron

    Iknowathingortwo

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 322 posts

Posted 13 July 2013 - 01:44 AM

I'm sorry for being vague, I must've wrote that before I had coffee that day. Please accept my apology.

 

At any rate here's what I really want to say. Unfortunately, and I feel bad when I say that, Line6 don't seem to really care about anything posted on this forum or any other forum.

 

 

The weird part is when you see that rarely they say something... on The Gear Page! I mean, it seems the official Line 6 forums are secondary...


  • 0

#24 guitarguyucf

guitarguyucf

    Just Startin'

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 9 posts

Posted 13 July 2013 - 06:49 AM

This is the first time posting on this side of the forums, but I must say I am a little disappointed at the newest release. I have pretty much upgraded at every advance (the kidney bean, to the xt, to the x3, to now the hd500) and this is one I think I will pass on. Ill admit the added DSP is a nice addition and the new footswitches look better but here is a list of what else they could improve upon:

 

- Reamping ability like the xt live

- Looper/Tap are WAY to close to the volume/wah

- Need to introduce a morley style switchless wah 

- Bigger screen, I cant read anything while on stage

- On/off switch

- More models (Come on no orange/diesel)

- Multiple Mic placements on a cab

 

Just my opinion 


  • 1

#25 Jeffsco

Jeffsco

    Just Startin'

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 51 posts
  • LocationSidney B.C.

Posted 13 July 2013 - 07:36 AM

Your right...saying 10x better is a figure of speech. Where as the HD500 was a significant improvement over the XTLive in terms of feel, response..and what I call...the 3 Dimensionality of the sound...the Kemper is that and much more above the HD500. Not to hijack the thread here.....just responding to the posts.

For me the biggest issues with my HD500 were the EQ % issues ,the input / Mono / Stereo configuration and what seems to be some sort of Clippng...or running out of headroom at various points in the signal chain or between certain FX.. I can really hear and feel that. Trying to pay attenton to that and TWEAK,TWEAK, TEAK to get it right wasfrustrating and a lost waste of time.

The increase in the DSP was a welcome addition but I would have prefered a return to the X3 Dual amp functionality. My X3 sounded better to my ears than the HD trying to do similiar dual configuratons. Just personal taste I suppose.
  • 0

#26 rodney13

rodney13

    Iknowathingortwo

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 245 posts

Posted 13 July 2013 - 07:48 AM

It seems no matter what Line 6 try to do you already are complaining about a product that hasn't even it the show room floors yet. If you think better or more features on a pedal board are going to make you a better player then you better rethink why your playing music , I have been down this road and trust me the less complicated setup the better you play
  • 0

#27 Jeffsco

Jeffsco

    Just Startin'

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 51 posts
  • LocationSidney B.C.

Posted 13 July 2013 - 01:06 PM

It seems no matter what Line 6 try to do you already are complaining about a product that hasn't even it the show room floors yet. If you think better or more features on a pedal board are going to make you a better player then you better rethink why your playing music , I have been down this road and trust me the less complicated setup the better you play

 

Not sure if you where addressing me specifically rodney 13....or whether your comments were directed to all the posters in general? I've certainly never posted anything regarding becoming a better player because of gear....not sure how you've gotten that from my posting. I certainly don't hold that attitude. The only thing that makes one a better player is practice and experience playing Live.

 

In regards to gear being less complicated...I plugged in the Kemper and didn't look up for 3 hours. Playing and changing parameters and navigating is very, very easy compared to the HD500. I consulted their manual twice and that was for some extremely deep obscure editing function. Overall... I found it to be an incredibly easy and intuitive piece of hardware to use. Contrast that to the massive PDF handbook that came with my HD500...not to mention Meandbobbo's excellent reference manual, and the hundreds if not thousands of posts from HD users on this forum , trying to understand how their HD works....

 

That's been my experience....hopefully yours was different?

 

I'm very good with manuals and gear. I'm considered the Go-To guy when people have issues with their guitars and amps. I've modified and built Acoustics, electrics and Guitar amps from scratch... along with 30 years of professional and part time musical experience...so I'm not a newbie in that sense. Line 6 had the opportunity to hit it out of the park with this re-issue. Time will tell if they have. I hope they do...I've been a user of their gear for the past 11 years.


  • 0

#28 rodney13

rodney13

    Iknowathingortwo

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 245 posts

Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:17 PM

No it wasn't directed at yourself , it was directed at the whole subject ,
  • 0

#29 Melodyshine

Melodyshine

    Just Startin'

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 16 posts

Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:42 PM

In my opinion the most important things would have been

  • controlling POD HD500 fx parameters via midi or via amp knobs(drive,etc..)
  • fixing that bug: when you control the delay time via a pedal and then tap a new tempo then you can't control the delay time anymore, you have to configure it again

  • 0

#30 Guitarmaniac64

Guitarmaniac64

    Just Startin'

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 79 posts

Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:45 AM

Even amplitube is catching up with HD and it can actually be made to sound better much quicker.
If the modeling isn't improved when double the processing power is available, clearly line 6 is not serious about modeling. Watch out when the new revalver comes out this year. HD modeling will sound like a toy in comparison even though HD modeling is quite good and mite be good enough to fool most listeners, but POD farm and Pod 2.0 can fool most listener also!


I dont have a problem to dial in good sounds quickly on my HD (desktop version)
But i use it only for recording and use the edit software i have never ever tried to dial in a sound using the units knobs..
So i guess you mean dial in sounds using the units knobs and button?

When it comes to good sound it also depends on what type of music you are playing i play everything from Jazz (not much but i play it sometimes) to Dire Straits clean to some bluesrock ala SRV to AC/DC hard rock to Iron Maiden metal to Dream Theater prog rock and i use many different guitars also...

I have read that many young metal players are not happy with the HD modeling
Well i am not playing that downtuned music so i dont know..

For me all highgain ampmodels has more gain than i ever gonna need.

Well there is another problem many people facing when dial in sounds they use way to much gain and whay to many effects and they dont seems to know how to blend the pure guitar sound with the effects
Hey they probably also cant play the guitar if it has a lower gain setting and no effects as it will not cover every mistake they make when they play as the high gain settings do..


I am not saying i am totally pleased with EVERY sound i dial in on the HD but on the other hand i dont spend so much time trying to finetune it..

To my ears where all modeling seems to fail is with that "broken up" sound that you get from a real tube amp..

Amplitube?

Well to my ears amplitube is not as good sounding as the HD that goes for many other computer software aswell ( i have tried almost every one some of them only in demo mode like Eleven so i dont know how it sounds in full version but if i where to release something in demo mode i would have "unlocked" the best one and said you can have more instead of unlock a bad one and said hey it is better versions if you purchase the full version..


Reavlver? yeah the Peavey amps they are very good but defenitly not the Marshall and Vox ones but then there is NO peavey model in the HD version..
But i like the fact that you can construct your own litlle tube amp in Revalver and it is gonna be interresting to hear the new version but as i dont know anyone who is beta testing it i would NOT go for the hype..

I am to old for that..
As for Eleven it dont sound as good as you say on thoose promo vids i have heard and where i live there is no music store that is selling them..


Some people i know was using them in the past most of them switch to real amps soon after well that goes for any Lin6 product aswell..

As for KPA and AXE FX II it starts to pop up used ones now so i guess people is not happy with them either..

But i would not pay so much for a modeling unit no way i rether buy a real 4 channel amp and an effect unit as it will cover all my basic tones anyway..

But then i still have to carry that heavy and BIG thing around when playing live..

It would be nice to have a small unit i have seen pictures of heavy metal bands that have a 1 watt blackstar amp in a box and miced them out when they play live so why not?
  • 0

#31 Netfly

Netfly

    Just Startin'

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 80 posts

Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:35 AM

I really really would like a tone match function. It's missing now on whole HD series


  • 0

#32 lilguitar

lilguitar

    Just Startin'

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 40 posts

Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:46 AM

sound significantly better than the HD so now I have no doubt that AXE II and Kemper will sound and feel significantly better than the rest

I purchased the AXE FX II...the quality was not noticbly different than the HD500.  You could tweak a few more parameters, it was easier and more inuitive than the HD and it did have more HD amps...$2k better...or 5x the cost of the HD500 better...before buying the $700 midi foot controller...no way. 

Even amplitube is catching up with HD and it can actually be made to sound better much quicker.

I hope you're talking about Amplitube on a PC, which I haven't tried, but the one I have sitting on my iOS devices sux!! 

 

HD modeling is quite good and mite be good enough to fool most listeners, but POD farm and Pod 2.0 can fool most listener also!

That's the thing...I think HD modeling today is quite good too and that the discernable differences here on out between products are going to exponentially smaller and smaller.  I agree with you that Line 6 needs to step it up...the devil is in the details with fixing the stuff that drives us all crazy...lack of global eq'ing, weird labeled parameters in %, ease of making changes...and all the other stuff that folks find irritating...function wise and interface wise.  Hopefully the Line 6 Ideas site will bring about some of these changes. 


  • 0

#33 psilbert

psilbert

    Just Startin'

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 1 posts

Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:54 AM

Hello :)

I need in my HD500 more than one PC command simultaneously!


  • 0

#34 Colin2113

Colin2113

    Just Startin'

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 67 posts
  • LocationSoFla

Posted 14 July 2013 - 02:00 PM

Hey at least us Windows users can all agree on the fact that we finally see the year 2013 when Line 6 Monkey is booting up is kind of a good sign? Then again, it took them 6-7 into the year 2013 to even update that aspect.


  • 0

Descension Descension Descension Descension Descension 

Descension Descension Descension Descension Descension 

#35 bjnette

bjnette

    Iknowathingortwo

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 379 posts

Posted 14 July 2013 - 03:43 PM

I am pretty sure the 500X is a replacement 500 model to fully utilize the existing firmware.

 

Even with more DSP power it still might not be enough to overhaul the HD Amp modelling but could be enough to rework some of the FX and give users what they been asking for which may mean that the next firmware update might only be workable on the 500X

 

I for one would love it if existing 500 users could upgrade their DSP from line 6.


  • 0

#36 bjnette

bjnette

    Iknowathingortwo

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 379 posts

Posted 14 July 2013 - 03:58 PM

Before my HD500, I liked Revalver, then Amplitude2 better than 3. Hell there are even freeware amp simulators that sound good but what the HD models have over them is feel, so much so they are helping the resurgence of tube amp sales.

 

Fractal's Axe has more quality FX and DSP for new sound creation. Perhaps the 500X is now comparable FX creation wise.   To me the HD Amp models sound better. ( I did my A/B one afternoon in the shop) Of course the HD500 was a no brainer at a fifth of the cost.

 

KPA Amp profiles are better and has quality bare bones FX. I have yet to try one out but from all reports these are good but still have some areas to be improved upon per their forum. (mainly hardware related)


  • 0

#37 DeanDinosaur

DeanDinosaur

    Gear Head

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 692 posts

Posted 14 July 2013 - 05:04 PM

Before my HD500, I liked Revalver, then Amplitude2 better than 3. 

 Hell there are even freeware amp simulators that sound good but what the HD models have over them is feel, so much so they are helping the resurgence of tube amp sales.

..

 

You haven't tried the amplitube custom shop. Try the new Slash Models and the Soldano, with these amps they caught up even in the feel, with a little more improvement Amplitube will clearly be a head...


  • 0

#38 DougDavies

DougDavies

    Just Startin'

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 1 posts

Posted 15 July 2013 - 11:52 AM

I'm pretty sure this feature is not available, but when running dual amps from the POD into a stereo setup - if you could add a delay to one of the amps (5-20ms) so you get a more stereo feel and sound coming through the amps.  This sounds really great with palm muting. 

I'm not talking about adding a delay pedal, because that wouldn't work in this case.  I would of loved to see this on the 500X


  • 1

#39 joemama78

joemama78

    Just Startin'

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 20 posts

Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:40 PM

I second the EQ parameter controls and would add the following:

 

1. A more reliable and tweakable tremolo. I had the Seymour Duncan Shape Shifter, and the rise-fall shape function was fantastic.

2. Better signal-routing. Signal splitting is cumbersome and doesn't function much like a real pedalboard.


  • 0

#40 Doc_Hollingsworth

Doc_Hollingsworth

    Just Startin'

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 8 posts

Posted 15 July 2013 - 02:05 PM

The one glaring issue that has not been addressed yet has seen several posts on is the output volume change when routing a signal through the HD500 to an AMP. I don't use the four cable method on purpose. I have a rack mounted wireless (a Relay G90 at that) and don't need more cables than I already have going to and from my amp. The current system requires that you add a Studio EQ to every preset (waste of DSP) and boost the output gain by 12db or more. A output level preamp with a attenuation pot would do the trick to make sure the right amount of signal goes through to the effects return. My GNX3000 which I was going to retire has this feature. The effects (especially the pitch glide where you can set it for specific pitch drops) and the MIDI capability works great to control my live setup (yeah I don't use it for amp modeling except in the studio) but it's this one thing that just eats at me....


  • 0




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users