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#21 phil_m

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 11:42 AM

Let's see...I paid $500 for my HD500 and this one will set me back $500 more, making $1000 invested.  IF I could get $250 for my now used and inferior HD500, that knocks my investment back to $750 for a Pod HD500x that other's are getting for $500 new.  That's a roughly 20% processing power increase for $250 whereas a new buyer get's it for free by buying the more powerful one up front.

 

Well, first of all if you're looking as guitar modelers as an investment instrument, you probably should start diversifying your portfolio. They all lose their value as time goes by. They're essentially computers in custom-built shells. People should really think of these modelers as something more like a laptop or other piece of tech. They start losing resale value the moment you buy it, but the resale value isn't generally thought of when buying new tech devices. We buy tech devices because of their usefulness over their life cycle.

 

The way I look at is this. I bought my HD500 for $425 (I had a 15% coupon at one of the online retailers) at the end of 2010, so I've had it for almost three years now. Even if I sold it as a crazy low price like $200 now, I be out a net of $225. So let's say I've had my HD500 for 144 weeks. That means my cost of owning the HD500 over that time period is $1.56 a week... I don't know about you, but I spend more than coffee per day. It's an OK deal if you ask me. Even if the resale value went to zero, and some paid the full street value for the HD500, the cost of ownership would $3.47 per week. Again, it's really not bad considering all the HD500 offers.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 11:45 AM

By the way, is it a shameless money grab when car companies release new models every single year? It's just the way of retail. If anything the life cycle of Line 6 products is much longer compared to other tech driven industries. If you're business is based on selling products, you have to keep selling new products. It's not a mystery.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 12:01 PM

Well, first of all if you're looking as guitar modelers as an investment instrument, you probably should start diversifying your portfolio. They all lose their value as time goes by. They're essentially computers in custom-built shells. People should really think of these modelers as something more like a laptop or other piece of tech. They start losing resale value the moment you buy it, but the resale value isn't generally thought of when buying new tech devices. We buy tech devices because of their usefulness over their life cycle.

 

The way I look at is this. I bought my HD500 for $425 (I had a 15% coupon at one of the online retailers) at the end of 2010, so I've had it for almost three years now. Even if I sold it as a crazy low price like $200 now, I be out a net of $225. So let's say I've had my HD500 for 144 weeks. That means my cost of owning the HD500 over that time period is $1.56 a week... I don't know about you, but I spend more than coffee per day. It's an OK deal if you ask me. Even if the resale value went to zero, and some paid the full street value for the HD500, the cost of ownership would $3.47 per week. Again, it's really not bad considering all the HD500 offers.

 

Well thanks for the finance tip, but I think I got that all on my own and my portfolio is just fine thank you.  And thanks for the remedial math lesson too -- that took me back to my college days for sure.  And since I have worked as an IT Professional for over 25 years, I think I understand the nuances of shelf life as it pertains to tech products (software and hardware) too. 

All that aside, what I DON'T however expect is that my new flagship modeler is obsoleted in a few months time, especially in Line6's universe.  I've had my HD500 for all of 5 months now, so I do feel like it's a bit of a minor sham but that's besides the point.  If you can stop being a fanboy long enough to look at it objectively, you'd realize that this is a completely different approach for Line6 who usually extends products lifespans via firmware updates, not by hardware replacements.  I know too (before you waste time typing it) that this is a business for them, and money is king.But now instead of viewing them as I have in the past, I have to now treat them like a cell phone manufacturer and expect whatever I buy from them to be old news by the time I get my contacts imported lol....

 

Peace brother, and enjoy your new toy.

In any event, it doesn't matter all that much to me in that I wouldn't upgrade anyway at this point because my HD500 works just fine for me.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 12:12 PM

If you can stop being a fanboy long enough to look at it objectively, you'd realize that this is a completely different approach for Line6 who usually extends products lifespans via firmware updates, not by hardware replacements.

 

Well, the X3 was essentially a hardware reboot of the XT series. The XT came out in 2003, and the X3 stuff came out in 2007. So by the time the HD stuff was released in 2010, the XT firmware was getting a bit long in the tooth.

 

I'm not sure why you consider me more of fanboy than a customer. I've bought all the units I own as well. I haven't bought an HD500X, and I'm not sure if I will. But I don't really understand the level of butthurt surrounding this release. I don't believe Line 6 is going to stop supporting the HD500. As far the people who bought the HD500 shortly before it was discontinued, I can understand some amount of disappointment, but I'm not sure how a company can actually avoid that. There's always going be people who by the previous model right before the new model is released.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 12:13 PM

@phil_m, didn't mean to come off so harsh man.  Just reread it and figured maybe you think I was flaming on you...not really so, but you have to understand to that I am not really either naive or stupid and so I guess I got wound up. 

You ought to see me going at Congress hammer and tongs sometime ;-)

 

And the X3 was a heck of a lot more of an upgrade to the XT line than this is to the HD line, agreed?


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 12:19 PM

And the X3 was a heck of a lot more of an upgrade to the XT line than this is to the HD line, agreed?

Yeah, of course. Although, I do remember being around when the X3L came out, and there were plenty of complaints then, too. There were a lot of people upset that Line 6 was releasing a product with all the same amp and effects as the XT. Not to mention all the hardware complaints...

 

I actually think that spending more to make the hardware more robust in the HD line was probably a decision based on Line 6's experience with the X3L. The X3L had dual processors, but the housing was thermoplastic, and overall it wasn't quite a robust as it could have been. It seems to me that Line 6 decided rather than going the dual processor route with the 500X that they would spend a bit more to make a sturdier product. In the long run, it's probably not a bad thing.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 12:25 PM

Yeah, of course. Although, I do remember being around when the X3L came out, and there were plenty of complaints then, too. There were a lot of people upset that Line 6 was releasing a product with all the same amp and effects as the XT. Not to mention all the hardware complaints...

 

I actually think that spending more to make the hardware more robust in the HD line was probably a decision based on Line 6's experience with the X3L. The X3L had dual processors, but the housing was thermoplastic, and overall it wasn't quite a robust as it could have been. It seems to me that Line 6 decided rather than going the dual processor route with the 500X that they would spend a bit more to make a sturdier product. In the long run, it's probably not a bad thing.

 

Yeah, the big thing there was multiple signal paths as I recall.  To me, as long as I am not cut out of any firmware upgrades, IE new models, effects or whatever else the HD500x gets, I am fine with this whole deal really.  I am kinda old school and rarely use more than 2 or three effects anyway...

Clearly, you have been down the road a bit yourself...


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 03:10 PM

Yeah, the big thing there was multiple signal paths as I recall.  To me, as long as I am not cut out of any firmware upgrades, IE new models, effects or whatever else the HD500x gets, I am fine with this whole deal really.  I am kinda old school and rarely use more than 2 or three effects anyway...

Clearly, you have been down the road a bit yourself...

This is 50% of the reason why I wanted to get the 500x. I want to make sure I get all the juicy updates. It would really tick me off to not be able to get the newest amps and/or effects. 25% of the reason for getting it is because I love the new switches and lights [pretty lights :-)], and the other 25% would be having more power to make interesting sounds. 


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 03:32 AM

I think you can take it the way you want, depends on what data you have. 

From what I have read here on the forum, it seems likely the Processors used in the the HD500 have been replaced by the manufacturer with one that is slightly faster allowing an estimated 20% increase in dsp available.

That means that now the POD HD500 is different from the previous chip used.

So throw in better foot switches and its the replacement model still at the same price with a little fanfare.


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 06:15 AM

I owned a GT-10 for a couple of years. For me the switch to the HD500 was a blessing.

My sound was so much better from the very start and has gotten a lot better since after learning to use the unit.

Of course it's all subjective and you might feel the same way after going to BOSS but I sincerely doubt it.

I do think the GT is a bit easier to use and has a bit better editing possibilities. I also still miss a few amps and effects like the Matchless and auto wah.

I've looked at a HD500 vs GT-100 review and I tried to be as objective as possible. Most of the time the HD seemed to sound more organic and natural. I think I liked only one or two sounds from the GT. Still, that's not really the best way to hear the difference, then you would have to sit down with the two yourself.

It's your choice ;-)

I played with a GT10 (still own it actually) and was never really impressed by the tones I could get with the amp modeling.  I also felt that the programming of it was quite intense (multiple volumes, EQs, levels etc) which I'm sure was a benefit but for me, I was looking for something that was a little easier to get going on - to me I feel like the HD500, and now the HD500x offer that.  I did like a lot of the FX in the GT10 though.


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 08:31 AM

I played with a GT10 (still own it actually) and was never really impressed by the tones I could get with the amp modeling.  I also felt that the programming of it was quite intense (multiple volumes, EQs, levels etc) which I'm sure was a benefit but for me, I was looking for something that was a little easier to get going on - to me I feel like the HD500, and now the HD500x offer that.  I did like a lot of the FX in the GT10 though.


Yeah,the effects on the GT are really good. I agree the programming is intense but I found it a bit more logical and being an IT guy I liked being able to tweak just about anything.
I'm much happier with the HD though.
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