Auriemma Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Hi all. I just picked up a used HD500 (like new). The previous owner loaded two bundles into it. He has unregistered it, and I have registered it. But I have not updated or connected it to Lic. Manager or Monkey. Will I lose the bundles when I connect up to either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I'm interested in the answer to this too as I have an HD500 that I'll likely get rid of soon with all the amp packs installed. My guess is that you'll be able to use the added amps in it, but if you try and update the firmware (is your current version 2.62?), if a new version even comes out anymore, you'll lose the amp packs. Also, if you try and run the license manager, while logged in, and with the pod turned on, you might lose the amps packs, but it might actually take a manual deauthorization to dump them. Not really sure. HD Edit and Monkey are probably fine to run. I guess the right thing to do would have been for the original owner to deauthorize the device before it was sold. Or he could have gifted you the amp packs to the account you registered it with - there is a link for this in his support account. It could be that he had the amp packs installed on more than one device though, and wanted to keep the packs on the device(s) he kept. If you feel not quite right about using the amp packs, you should be able to get rid of them yourself by running the license manager. I would think the program is smart enough to know the amp packs shouldn't be there and remove them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auriemma Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 I just contacted the seller... He just loaded them into his new HD POD. Unbelievable. Can I still use HD Edit without Monkey or LM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 maybe he wanted the 500x or a rackmount... who knows... in any case as long as you dont use monkey or the license manager you should be fine... most likely for a while... if i was you i'd just keep an eye out for a sale or something and get the packs if you want to keep them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 most likely for a while... What does that mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 that means there may be an update or possibly the original owner will call to reset his license count or some other issue that would affect the "borrowed" license. What does that mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoguyy Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I remember telling people that this would happen. Some people said "that's why we are asking now, so that we know the information" To which I responded with "but who is going to come searching the forums for information on model pack license transference before they buy a used unit" And quite frankly, there is no guarantee that the original owner even knew that he wouldn't be able to sell it with the model packs permanently installed. Again, if he doesn't come to the forums regularly, he wouldn't have seen the information. ANYWHO... A lot of people have multiple units. Nor is it uncommon to have the packs installed on multiple units. At this point, there is no reason that you would need to update your unit, therefore no reason to run Monkey after the initial installation. And I can't say that I have ever had license manager opened. EDIT will work without removing the model packs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CipherHost Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 That's like someone selling you a car, then removing the muffler. The guy is stealing from you if he sold you the POD with the added model packs. Ignorance is not a defense. My question for those in the know is, can the seller gift just one of his four allowed installs of the models, or is it all four or nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CipherHost Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 if the seller gives his license as a gift he loses all four authorizations, and the guy who receives the gift can authorize only one device I can see why it would be all or nothing, but just one device for the buyer is kinda cheesy. Thanks for the reply hurghanico. Always appreciate your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoguyy Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 That's like someone selling you a car, then removing the muffler. The guy is stealing from you if he sold you the POD with the added model packs. Ignorance is not a defense. But, therein lies the difference in the physical world vs the virtual world. If I sold you a car with a muffler, I would need to physically remove the muffler if I wanted it removed. Only one muffler can be in existence. In the virtual world, you can make numerous copies of the same item. In the case of Model Packs, you aren't actually buying a Model Pack. You don't own it. You are paying for permission to use a model pack as L6 sees fit. It's a legal line that most people don't understand and one that I disagree with. If I bought a muffler and put it in a car that I sold to you, Midas isn't going to come and remove it from the car due to the fact that you aren't the one that bought it. But L6 will remove the model packs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 if the seller gives his license as a gift he loses all four authorizations, and the guy who receives the gift can authorize only one device What if the giftee has more than one device registered in his/her account? Is there anywhere that specifically says this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 no idea where one device came from.... not accurate.... one license allows up to 4 devices... no matter how you got the license. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 That's like someone selling you a car, then removing the muffler. The guy is stealing from you if he sold you the POD with the added model packs. Ignorance is not a defense. My question for those in the know is, can the seller gift just one of his four allowed installs of the models, or is it all four or nothing? Actually, Line 6 is the one ultimately losing out on this. But they probably knew and discussed of situations like this from the beginning. The only way for them to not lose is if they tied the physical device to the internet everytime it's turned on. Certainly not realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CipherHost Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 But, therein lies the difference in the physical world vs the virtual world. If I sold you a car with a muffler, I would need to physically remove the muffler if I wanted it removed. Only one muffler can be in existence. In the virtual world, you can make numerous copies of the same item. In the case of Model Packs, you aren't actually buying a Model Pack. You don't own it. You are paying for permission to use a model pack as L6 sees fit. It's a legal line that most people don't understand and one that I disagree with. If I bought a muffler and put it in a car that I sold to you, Midas isn't going to come and remove it from the car due to the fact that you aren't the one that bought it. But L6 will remove the model packs. I get what you are saying here. I can't think of a real life comparison, but if there was (or is) such a thing as a lifetime subscription to Sirius radio or LoJack and you sold a car with the subscription, then somehow removed it, I suppose that would be a better comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CipherHost Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Actually, Line 6 is the one ultimately losing out on this. But they probably knew and discussed of situations like this from the beginning. The only way for them to not lose is if they tied the physical device to the internet everytime it's turned on. Certainly not realistic. Agreed. I guess their thought process is that they will catch it when FW updates are needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) Agreed. I guess their thought process is that they will catch it when FW updates are needed. Even then, as hurghanico pointed out, if you do an offline reflash, everything would likely stay intact. I think all the amp packs are actually always there in the device, they are just unlocked when authorized, and reflashing offline (maybe even online) doesn't undo that. Edit: Now that I think of it, this is just guessing. I've never updated either of my devices since having the amp packs authorized. Now I have think about trying this. Edited August 31, 2015 by duncann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 For anyone that cares, doing an offline firmware reflash from one version to the same version does keep any existing authorized amp packs intact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoguyy Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 no idea where one device came from.... not accurate.... one license allows up to 4 devices... no matter how you got the license. Sale purchased gift? Like if you buy the pack on sale, but give it away to someone. I recall a one device situation, but I am not buying model packs so I didn't pay full attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auriemma Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 FYI... he sold me th HD500 MFX board with amp packs intact. He did mention I might lose them if I updated. he does desktop recoarding to it was too big. He went out and bought a POD (bean). Then loaded the amp packs into it. So he knew. when I called him on it, he said that the packs were $100 so why should he transfer them? I replied, so I can use the unit like I should, with all the software that comes with it and not have to dance around the edges so not to lose them. He later called me back and offered to transfer them, saying he wasn't trying to be dishonest. But at that point I no longer cared. I'm going to do a reset and start over... so that I'm good in my conscious. I really shouldn't complain. I got the unit for $200. Its mint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoguyy Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I'm going to do a reset and start over That is what I do with all electronics, even if purchased new. Actually, I do it many times when first purchased because I like to toy around with various things and it is always good to be able to bring it back to 0. And then, the first thing you do after you get everything reset ---- make a copy of all of the presets. I have a bundle and the setlists, not individual patches. Don't forget to make a copy of a blank setlist too. It is always good to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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