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L2T's - two questions


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1 I use a pair of L2T speakers for small gigs, either acoustic duo or vocal reinforcement with a band.  They work great, set up really quickly and look really stylish too.  I connect them with a pair of link cables.  But how do I pan inputs to left and right?

 

2 I would like to add a third unit for on-stage monitoring,  Should I add another L2t or would an L2m work just as well (apart from giving me only four and not six possible input channels).

 

Thanks 

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1) Can't pan the 2 mono input channels of the L2t mixer. That's about the only thing I don't like about this mixer. The rear panel stereo inputs will retain the stereo field defined by the external source.

 

2) L2m is identical except for the mixer. Should work just as well as a monitor without the mixer.

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Thanks - so how does my pair of doubly-linked L2t's pan two guitar and two vocal inputs, one into each of the two units' two input per channels, so four inputs in total?

 

Are all four inputs just summed to mono, which seems really pointless?

 

Or do the inputs to each side stay on that side?  In which case, what's the point of link cables?

 

And should I be using one or two link cables (at the moment I'm using two in both directions)?

 

The rather scant manual is completely silent on all these things.... 

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.......

 

Are all four inputs just summed to mono, ....

 

Yes and no. To be accurate, they aren't summed to mono. From the input stage they are, and remain, four distinct mono signals. But, being mono and having no pan control, all 4 are placed in the middle of the stereo field when two speakers are used. There is nothing to sum, meaning there is no way to impose stereo seperation without a pan control.
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Thanks if disappointing!

 

I can see the advantage of all appearing as centred mono through a third L2 (t or m) lying flat as a foldback monitor.

 

I guess I need to continue to use two link cables so that all inputs go to both or all three speakers.

 

But presenting four inputs dead centre as the only option is pretty strange given all the thought that's obviously gone into several other aspects of the design of these otherwise excellent speakers.

 

I imagine L6 they will rectify this in future releases, but I'll still be left stuck with units that don't.

 

Or I could buy a small mixer, maybe one of the new Behringer wifi-controlled ones.

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Well there are stereo inputs on the back of the device which will maintain a stereo field using L6 Link and... if you are only using a single L2t it will sum that stereo input to mono.  They are RCA inputs so depending on what you want to play through that input, you may need some sort of adaptor.

 

What are you hoping to achieve, may with more specifics there may be some sort of work around.  We have to realize that this is a speaker with some added functionality in regards to having a mixer and the L6 link is beyond what any other speaker in this category offers. 

 

Personally the only type of stereo field I would consider for live use would be like guitar or vocal effects.  I would never pan the actual instruments.  With just the effects in stereo you can get a bigger sound but the actual guitar or vocal is still coming right up the centre.  I don't want a different mix for one side of the room than the other.   ie; left side hears more guitar than vocal, right side hears the opposite.  Or left side can hear my partners voice but can barely make out my voice. 

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I'd like to be able to pan my two guitar and two vocal inputs slightly so that when we play, we don't just sound like we're both in the middle of the stage is all.

 

At the moment, the only way I can do this is by feeding the four inputs into a separate mixer whose L & R outs go into each the two L2ts' rear xlr inputs

 

Rather defeats the point of having bought L2t's instead of L2m's.

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Bobwooton,

 

As a performing musician (doing an acoustic gig myself in a few hours) with several different groups and styles and instruments, I'm wondering if anyone would notice?  I've had endless arguments about stereo vs mono with other musicians and while I use stereo in certain cases, the truth is it's frequently lost in the room or on the crowd.

 

The subtle type of panning you're describing is only available on a system with a mixer...from any company at any pricepoint.  I would only think it would be noticeable if you were playing on a stage in an auditorium and the listener was a musician sitting close to the middle of the room.  Everywhere else in the room it might actually be a detriment to your sound.

 

In any kind of coffee shop, bar, restaurant or outdoor space, I wouldn't even bother.

 

That being said, if you're using a POD or Helix, you could run both guitars through the same processor and then send them to the L2's via line6 link and do the panning in the POD or Helix.  This would still leave 4 mic inputs on the speakers for you to bring in two voices in stereo.  But again, you would have to do the panning in the stereo signal BEFORE it gets to the speakers via some other kind of processing.

 

So yes, you CAN do it.  Please think about if it's necessary or really has an impact on your audiences perception of your performance.

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The other option is using one L2t each and just physically putting them closer to each other.  That being said I totally agree with BucF16, for the listener coverage is the most important thing, if the audience can hear both performers clearly the effect of a slight pan isn't going to improve the experience much if at all. 

 

Again as BucF16 says this argument comes up often and will probably rage on for decades.   I'm sure we aren't making any points you haven't heard or considered, but it may be partly why Line 6 didn't deem it important enough to try to implement.  Which I think would be tricky and costly and ultimately drive up the price for a feature a lot of people would never use.

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When we mix for a gig, we do tend to pan the backing vox very slightly (about 15% to one or other side but only to move it away from lead vox which runs straight down the middle. Then again, it's not me doing our mix (even though it's my gear) and I'm not sure whether I'd bother unless it was in a directional room where nobody is outside the stereo field.

 

Don't know that I'd expect it within the onboard mixers on the speakers though. Certainly not a feature I'd look for. Stereo separation of stereo input, yes, but not panning of a mono input.

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