jfever Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Hi, I am happy with my POD for guitar but want to route my bass through it as well. Basically I want to be able to switch between instruments (guitar and bass). I have some requirements, my bass chain is actually pedal based not using POD, it has 2 outputs I want to put into the POD and route the output through the POD output (which also is the output of the guitar). These will not be played at the same time. So I plug in the xlr and the 1/4" from the bass preamp pedal into the mix and 1/4aux input of the POD. I setup a basic preset without amp and can hear it fine through the headphones. When I plug into the mixing board (from the POD output XLR Left channel), I don't hear both xlr and 1/4 of the bass. Can anyone help? or is this a not recommended setup. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The way I used to do it is to put the guitar fx and amp in one path, and the mono out of the bass fx unit into the aux input. Set both for guitar. Be sure not to put anything before or after the split. Pan the mixer hard left for guitar and hard right for bass. Take the outs from either the 1/4" or xlr to their respective amps or channels on the board. I think you also have to make sure that the last device in the guitar path is not stereo. I usually put either a compressor or a noise gate there, but I guess any mono effect or the amp itself would work. I stopped using this scheme because it means you can't use dual amp or stereo setups. I got an interface with a s/pdif input and run the guitar and bass separately into the interface. If your bass fx unit is digital (has it's own ad/da converters) that could result in some high end attenuation (some will argue that, my ears say yes), but that's not as important for bass as running the guitar signal from the POD analog outs into a regular interface (a second ad/da conversion). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfsmith0 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 When you say you can "hear it fine through the headphones", do you hear one output in the L channel and one in the R channel? Perhaps you need to pan both signals to the center in the mixer. I'm thinking taking only the Left XLR output is losing one of the signals. Or, plugging in a standard 1/4" mono plug also messes with the stereo image, automatically summing both channels to mono. If you unplug the 1/4" plug, is the XLR signal still messed up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinDorr Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Yes, i think I read earlier that the XLRs are not summed when only one XLR is connected (like the 1/4" TR outs are) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfever Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 When you say you can "hear it fine through the headphones", do you hear one output in the L channel and one in the R channel? Perhaps you need to pan both signals to the center in the mixer. I'm thinking taking only the Left XLR output is losing one of the signals. Or, plugging in a standard 1/4" mono plug also messes with the stereo image, automatically summing both channels to mono. If you unplug the 1/4" plug, is the XLR signal still messed up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfever Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Yes I hear it in the headphones separated left and right. If I monitor outside of the pod say from a mixing board and unplug the 1/4 I don't hear anything. If I am monitoring on the pod I lose one side of the headphones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 ....So I plug in the xlr and the 1/4" from the bass preamp pedal into the mix and 1/4aux input of the POD.... I think you mean you are using the MIC and Aux inputs? Do you have those two inputs selected for your Bass path in the preset? If your MIC physical input is not selected as a preset input it makes sense that you will hear nothing when you disconnect the 1/4" input. Also, you may have to fiddle with levels in the Pod because the MIC and Aux are expecting different incoming signal levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfever Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Thanks so much for all the help. I did not think to look in the bass preset. Would that stuff be configured on the first node of the chain? I'll look at it and report back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfever Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 I am using mic and aux inputs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 If I understand you correctly your bass guitar is being processed by another pedal. You don't want to use the POD to process the bass signal; you just want to pass its signal through the POD, presumably because you can't connect the bass pedal directly to the mixing board for some reason. If that's the case you may be over complicating things, but we need to confirm what model of POD HD you have. Based on the info you've provided I believe it is the POD HD500/X. It's not the Desktop model because you talk about using its XLR outputs, which the desktop doesn't have. It's not the HD300/400 because neither of them have mic inputs. It's not the HD Pro/X because you talk about the Aux input which the Pro/X doesn't have. So it's the POD HD500/X. In that case you just need to connect the bass pedal outputs to the Hd500 cd/MP3 input (you will need an adapter, and ideally you can set the pedal output to Line level). Nothing else is required. Your bass signal will be passed directly to the POD analog outputs when you play the bass, and your regular guitar will be processed by the POD and sent to its outputs when you're playing it. No need to even think about the HD500/X preset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfever Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Yes hd500x. Thank you. I have no idea if my pedal can put out line level. Converting an xlr and a 1/4 into a single 1/8" jack sounds like a challenge. The bass preamp pedal is a sans amp svt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 If the XLR and 1/4" outputs from your bass pedal are both separate and identical mono signals (and I've never heard of an XLR and 1/4" stereo pair) then you only need to use one of them. A 1/4" to 1/8" adapter will be fine. And don't worry about Line level output - it's just better if possible for this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfever Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 The xlr connection is requiring a mic level input that is why I thought I could plug the xlr into the mic input on the hd500x. The reason is I would like to conserve my mixing board footprint. If I need to through the mixing board I'll bring my smaller mixer to daisy chain but then my question changes to "would I need to use both left and right xlr out and the the 1/4" stereo out (again left and right) from my mixer to the main mixer board (2 channels). Does this make any sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I can't answer whether or not you need to use both XLR and 1/4" outputs from your bass pedal. That's a question I asked you earlier. It depends on your pedal specs. The complication is that the MIC input is routed through the POD preset processing while the cd/mp3 input is not. You can use the cd/mp3 input without fiddling with any POD presets. However, it's simple enough to create a separate POD preset that you will use for your bass guitar. The simplest would be to just use the 1/4" output from your pedal into the Aux input on the HD500x. Assign the Aux as input to the preset, and do not use any processing unless you want to add to the bass pedal processing. If you need to use both inputs, assign the Mic and Aux as inputs to the preset. As mentioned before you may need to get a bit fancy in the preset to adjust for the different expected input signal levels in the MIC and Aux inputs. All you will need to do when playing is switch presets when you switch guitars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfever Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Yes! This is what I want. Only problem is that I still don't know how to do preset level routing. I only know the global input settings (hit "view" twice) that affect all presets which Brings up another point that I'm confused as hell with the fact that there is an input 1 and Input 2 (where is input2??) . I have more to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfever Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Silverhead sorry I did not specify earlier. I absolutely need both the 1/4" and the xlr mic level at the same time. This is a requirement. It's the way the pedal works to balance the sound. Part of the reason I'm not using pod presets for bass. Thanks again for all the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfever Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Silverhead sorry I did not specify earlier. I absolutely need both the 1/4" and the xlr mic level at the same time. This is a requirement. It's the way the pedal works to balance the sound. Part of the reason I'm not using pod presets for bass. Thanks again for all the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I would set Input1=Mic and Input2=Aux. Use a dual path preset (see below). Do not assign any amp or FX in the preset; leave it empty. In the preset below, remove all elements on Path A, but don't change the preset structure. In the mixer adjust the Path A and Path B levels until you are satisfied with the output signal balance. http://line6.com/customtone/tone/217206/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfever Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Thanks silverhead. I assume this setting will not negatively affect the guitar presets? Is this a global or a preset level change? (Input 1 = mic and input 2 = aux) checking that link now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfever Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 It seems a lot can be accomplished I preset level. I just need to dive in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Inputs can be set either globally or per preset. You want per preset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfever Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 Ok sorry but I have searched online and in the manual and cannot find how to configure inputs at a preset level. I will continue to look... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfever Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 found it. Trying it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfever Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 it worked! thanks so much. I had some funkyness with some phasing it seems while blending both signals but I somehow worked that out. Thanks again this place is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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