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#1 Jhatem81

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 09:44 AM

What kind of amp models/effects are you using? Are you doing the standard dual delays/heavy reverb--hillsong type stuff?


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 10:29 AM

I've been on a 6 month break, but most of my patches were built around AC30 TB.  I use digital delay with dotted eighth setting, sometimes a lot, but most of the time sparingly.  It's almost always on to some degree.  I use OctoVerb from time to time as well.

 

Sorry I don't have any patches to share.  My previous patches were all for HD500/DT25, and were mostly dual amp.  The AC30 was almost always the dominant amp.  I'm in the process of rebuilding my patches without dual amp, for both HD500/DT25, and HD500 direct into Front of House mixer.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 10:32 AM

Hi,

I use my HD500 for worship and I think you can get really good sounds from it, even replicate those sought after top worshipers sounds such as Hillsong, as far of the FX used, I think it is a matter of personal taste, not sure how to answer your question but YES, you can do this with the HD500.

 

There are a bunch of these already made presets available to download at the Customtone section.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 12:48 PM

I took down my worship tones from custom tone because they're nothing special, but I am very happy with what I have. My main patch is a clean B-man with compression for cleans and a screamer for dirt, with moderate reverb and digital delay. I have the same set-up with a Hiway amp, and similar with a DrZ Route 66 set to break up.

 

I posted an ambient patch drenched in delay and verb here: http://line6.com/cus...ne/tone/224295.

 

I downloaded this patch and use it very often: http://line6.com/cus...ne/tone/209576/

 

Hope that is some amount of help.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 02:53 PM

One key to developing live patches is no reverb.  Generally the room's reverb is enough (unless you're meeting in a movie theater which we currently are.  Completely dead).  Just delay.  The exception, of course, would be where reverb is more of an effect for those really ambient tones.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 03:57 PM

I have started using dual delays in parallel.  I usually have something like a 1/4 note digital delay in one chain, and a dotted eighth or triplet in the other chain.  Very light reverb, mostly clean Hiwatt model, and it varies from there.  I have my exp-1 set to go from straight violin to fully effected on almost all of my patches, exp-2 sets delay volume and feed back from 45% and 4 repeats up to 60% and single repeats, for when I want more of a doubler sound.  Also running a Ball VP jr in front. I have some very delay heavy patches, for a string ensemble sound and a Gilmour-esque washy sound.  I haven't spent so much time building new effect chains as I have squeezing better tone out of it.  A year later, I'm still very happy with the HD500.  


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 09:41 PM

I use the HiWatt, Soldano Clean, Fender Twin and Fender Super Deluxe Reverb for the largest percentage of my patxhes. I use chorus, flanger, tremolo, delay (dotted eighth, quarter, slapback, auto-swell, reverse delay) and paricle verb. I rarely use reverb unless needed and use the regular room reverb instead.
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Posted 07 August 2013 - 03:37 AM

tweed brt for clean  marshall plexi 1959 and soldano crunch to me are the best amps, dinamic delay for solos, pitch glide as chorus


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Posted 07 August 2013 - 06:56 AM

Use mine every Sunday. I don't think I can say I have any one setup I use more than others. I also don't try to copy sounds from the recordings. I like to create my patches for what works for me in my situation (I program in the main sanctuary using the main P.A. as my reference). I also use click tracks to keep lighting and video in sync so I put midi patch changes into the click track laptop and those happen for me within every song. Love it!


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Posted 07 August 2013 - 08:39 AM

I use mine every Sunday as well.

I ended up using the AC30 amp sim with 1/4 note and .8th stacked with the .8th switchable with FS1. Analog Chorus Switchable on FS2. Tube Screamer Switchable on FS3, and Classic Distortion Switchable on FS4.

I use this patch on FS5-8, with all Dirt and .8th disabled for FS5 (clean), Distortion,Chorus, and .8th disabled for FS6 (Drive) .8th and Chorus disabled and 1/4 note changed to 1/16th high mix rate on FS7 (for mandolin type rapid picking), Full patch and nothing disabled for FS8 (Dot 8th patch)

After changing to a small PA for patch tweaking, my tones are pretty good.

With Avioms the rig works pretty good, and I am constantly learning new way to use it.

It was a good move for the situation....


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Posted 07 August 2013 - 10:28 AM

I've used the HD500 for a while now and have settled in on the Soldano clean and crunch amps. A noise gate (P90s and automated stage lighting causes lots of hum) and some mild compression are always on, as is a small chamber reverb. I use digital delay sparingly, usually with a 1/4 or dotted 1/8 settling. I add in a tuber screamer for solos and the occasional chorus, phaser, flanger. The delay, tube screamer, & modulation leaves me with one foot switch left available for something special when needed. I usually set up ABCD to be clean, mild crunch, major crunch, hi-gain, but I'm starting to get a little frustrated with the 5msec delay when switching presets. I don't always have that much time to switch sounds so I'll be moving to the FS1-8 paradigm. 5msec doesn't sound like much but it mutes the sound while the new preset loads in and a 5msec mute is very much noticable.

 

I use Channel  B (mic input) for my acoustic instruments. This only contains gain and EQ. Different patches are switched in for acoustic guitar, mandolin, uke, and banjo, so they all come out at about the same level. The EQ is set to null out the few major feedback modes I get with acoustics. Thsi works very well, except the tuner is only active on the guitar 1/4" input, so I have to use an external tuner (kind of defeats the purpose of using the high quality XLR mic input). Because of this I'll be reconfiguring this to allow me to plug into the guitar 1/4" jack for all instruments and use different presets as I change instruments. I can't change instruments in 5msec, I'm good with that.

 

This all comes out the XLR to the main mixer. I'm very happy with this setup. It's quality is about 80% of a purely analog setup but the convenience is well worth it. Almost all of the people in the congregation don't notice the difference and half of the other guitar players who use analog systems don't get the best sound out of them anyway (that I've noticed in our church anyway), so it's pretty much a no-brainer to go the HD500 rout.


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Posted 07 August 2013 - 11:25 AM

I've been using my POD HD500 in worship now for just a little over 1 year.  The tones are really quite good.  I too will use an ABCD clean to hi-gain methodology ... and agree that the 5ms delay is frustrating.  I'm primarily using the ENGL amp model for high gain leads (sorry, I can't remember off the top of my head what I'm using for cleans).  I love using the Octo-verb when our keyboard player moves to the piano.  I just need to find more time to make more patches with layered delays and more effects.


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Posted 07 August 2013 - 01:18 PM

I have the 500X now, and the extra DSP is welcome for pad effects.

I have 6 main patches - one that's clean to grit, one that's grit to crunch, one that's crunch to distortion, one that's distortion to full overdrive, and two that are pad type patches. I generally use these as the basis for any song patch that I'm going to be making for a particular week.

Since I have single coils all my patches start with a noise gate. And I generally try to end all of my patches with a studio EQ since I don't always know what the patches will sound like in whatever system I'll be plugged in to, and may need to adjust them.

Every patch also has at least one delay set to FS2, a boost or distortion pedal set to FS1, some kind of modulation effect (usually chorus) set to FS3, and occasionally a wah set to FS4. I have a second pedal that I will occasionally use for volume, but it's fairly rare. I will always use a tiny bit of reverb on each patch, but when you're playing in a large space, I will cut it down to about half of what I think I need, and it's generally pretty close.

I try to listen to each song while I'm editing to match my tone to the track since that makes everyone pretty happy. So far the Soldano and Plexi patches seem to cover most of modern worship sounds for me. Since I don't always know what I'll be playing, I try to set up my patches in a way that will cover both the lead territory as well as the rhythm. That sometimes requires some major creativity and multiple things set for each foot-switch. I'm pretty big on trying to keep one patch per song.
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Posted 08 August 2013 - 11:30 AM

thanks. This has been very helpful. Have any of you all posted tones on customtone?


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Posted 09 August 2013 - 06:02 AM

Hi I also play at church / gospel /worship quire(hd500/dt25)

 

I don,t get the phrase "worship tone" , wat is the difference with regular guitar tones??

I just set up my tones the way I like them and have different types of patches for each type of worship/gospel song we play, not thinking about how a "worship tone" should sound like.

forgive me it is not meant disrespectful in any way I,m just wondering. 

I,m from the Netherlands by the way, maybe this is more of a US thing?


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Posted 09 August 2013 - 06:19 AM

Hi I also play at church / gospel /worship quire(hd500/dt25)

 

I don,t get the phrase "worship tone" , wat is the difference with regular guitar tones??

I just set up my tones the way I like them and have different types of patches for each type of worship/gospel song we play, not thinking about how a "worship tone" should sound like.

forgive me it is not meant disrespectful in any way I,m just wondering. 

I,m from the Netherlands by the way, maybe this is more of a US thing?

 

I think it's not so much "worship tone" but tones that work well for typical contemporary worship, such as Hillsong, Tomlin, Redman, etc.  I, like you, make my own tones, for my own taste, and select the ones that best match the flavor of a particular song.


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Posted 09 August 2013 - 06:35 AM

I use one I downloaded from Customtone called "Worship DIstortion". That is my main tone for most of the songs. I have the Lincoln Brewster patches also when I want to back off the gain some. I am running it in front of a Vox ADT50. So far, I am loving it!


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Posted 10 August 2013 - 03:05 AM

I'm using a modified version of Lincoln Brewsters patches (park 75 model). I plan on using those patches as a comparison as I build other patches using the vox and baseman models. Knowing how the LB patches sound at church and home give me good baseline to compare other tones. The alto ts10 really helps at home. Previously I was using a tech 21 pe60 and the end result was that patches that sounded good at home came out too bright and digital at church.

Doug Doppler who demos a lot of gear YouTube including line6 and tech 21 products, has some interesting vox ac 330 patches posted on his site. A big difference in volume so to use at church I need to balance these out with the louder LB patches.
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Posted 12 August 2013 - 04:57 AM

If you guys were building a patch for the intro of Whom Shall I fear? How would you do it? Id love to emulate this tone with the HD 500

 


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 06:01 AM

I just use my regular patches. Most of the time I'm using one of the Fender models, occasionally the DrZ. The idea of re-hashing the U2>Hillsong>Tomlin>Jesus Culture sound just seems a little off to me. IMHO.
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Posted 12 August 2013 - 06:40 AM

I use my HD500 with a JTV-59 every Sunday also. I run direct to the PA system, and use a personal in-ear monitor mix.
I love the flexibility to switch to acoustic tones on the JTV between, or in the middle of, a song.
I have just never settled into any patches that I really like for electric. I've never been really good at dialing in tones on amps, and you just have too many choices with these.

 

I just switched from an X3L, it took me about 3 years to finally get the X3L really dialed in the way I liked. I don't remember which models I was using on that, but they aren't available on the HD500.
I switched to the HD500 to get the midi control. We use backing rhythm tracks because we don't have drums or bass, and I use the HD500 to control Ableton-Live via midi.


On the Variax I'm using the magnetics for my electric tones, and use the Variax modeling only to get acoustic tones.
Most of our songs come from the CCLI top 100 (Mighty to Save, How He Loves, Glorious Day, Happy Day, Redeemed, Revelation Song, etc...) You know... Pretty standard praise and worship type stuff these days.... Matt Redman, Tim Hughes, Chris Tomlin, Lincoln Brewster....

 

I cant remember what my current tones are based on, but I believe it is one of the blackface models... Tube screamer, digital delay, wah and fuzz...
Whatever it is, I get a decent clean tone, a usable slightly overdriven tone, but just cant get a really heavy tone I like (however, I'm not quite satisfied with any of them)
I like to keep it down to 4 tones (including my acoustic one) to keep it in a single bank. Anything more than that just starts to get confusing.

 

 


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 07:07 AM

In my quest for the best tone, I came across this post. My question is, what is a "worship" guitar tone exactly?
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Posted 12 August 2013 - 07:36 AM

In my quest for the best tone, I came across this post. My question is, what is a "worship" guitar tone exactly?


Much of modern worship music is very similar in sound. It's very U2 inspired. There are sadly few stand-out guitarists with their own tone in this genre, Lincoln Brewster being an example of the exception.
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Posted 12 August 2013 - 09:48 AM

Ok...Lincoln Brewster is rockin the house! Thanx for hipping me to him! Is that what we are calling Worship Music? Sounds like pop to me.

I think that I am getting my terms a bit confused. Al Green has a worship song called "Jesus is Waiting" The guitar tone is clean and bluesy. Stryper has a worship song called "To Hell With The Devil". The guitar tone is very "Iron Maiden". Prince has a worship song called "Still Would Stand All Time" The guitar is straight out of the gospel play book. So I guess to my little simple mind, when I see the words "Worship music" and I see the responses on this post speaking of using their rig on "Sundays", I assume we're talking about music that is played in Church aren't we?

 

If so, wouldn't "worship music" be more of a subject rather than a genre? I love worship music, particularly Gospel. But when Chet Atkins was playing worship music with Elvis, he didn't sound like The Edge. Nor does Kirk Franklins guitarist if we are speaking of "Modern Worship Music". I'm not too much into Stryper. But God bless them for what they do... or did right? ;)

 

Have the words "Worship music" taken on a new definition that I am not familiar with?

 

"Much of modern worship music is very similar in sound. It's very U2 inspired..." So The Edge or David Gilmore are considered guitarists with a "Worship Tone"? Is it delay and chorus and reverb that makes a Worship tone? Steve Vai uses a lot of delay, chorus and reverb but I don't think he would be considered having a good "Worship Tone" 

 

I'm very confused :wacko:

 

I've seen "worship music" referenced on different forums and never quite knew what they were referring to. 

 

HELP!!!!


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 10:40 AM

Modern "worship music" could be used to describe a contemporary genre of music that is very accessible to the church assembly for sing-along.  It sets the tone for the bible readings, sermon, alter call, etc., to follow.  This is not to be confused with classic gospel, religious, or even contemporary Christian (which can also include "worship music")  It can get rather confusing for someone who hasn't been exposed, to get their heads and hearts around.  It's also called "praise & worship"

 

For example, in our church, we generally do two up-tempo "praise" songs to wake everyone up, and them two anthemic "worship" songs to set the mood for spiritual communion to follow.

 

I would consider one of the pioneering leaders of this type of worship (and it is truly worship) to be Hillsong Church, Sydney, Australia.  Some other leading artists would be Chris Tomlin, Matt Redman, Darlene Zscheck,  and the recordings from Louis Giglio's "Passion Tours"  Some of Lincoln Brewster's songs would be considered "Praise and Worship", but others would be contemporary Christian rock.

 

Think of it as being the 21st century replacement for hymn singing.  It is still very much a sing-a-long though.

 

Much of the music can be covered with tones that use just a light touch of distortion/overdrive, and a touch (sometimes a heavy touch) of dotted-eight delay, with perhaps a little optional chorus or reverb thrown in to taste.  Throw in a little more overdrive and tone down the delays, for the infrequent leads.

 

When using guitars with humbuckers, I like to use AC30TB, I've found that AC30 tends to have a bit too much top end for single coils, and use Plexi or Park models.  It really comes down to what you like for your own sound.


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 12:10 PM

Thanx BigChas52!

 

I'll Youtube those names and get a feel for what folks are calling "Worship music" It seems to be a misnomer though. I'm not much of a church goer, but the ones i have been to have always had great music. None of which sound like anything like what The Edge would play. And they call their music worship as well. Still a bit confusing, but at least now I understand what some of you are referring to.

 

Now if you want to wake the congregation up, try playing some Living Sacrifice! They'll be payin attention for sure! Guaranteed! 


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 12:24 PM

It's not so much that they sound like the Edge and U2, it's the large reliance on the delays with only a tiny touch of distortion.


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 12:54 PM

Got it!

 

Just having a hard time wrapping my mind around how that particular style of playing gets to claim the moniker of "Worship Music" when people worship in many different ways accompanied by many different styles of music. Some with and some without a "large reliance on delays and a tiny touch of distortion." But that's not important.

 

What is important is I have been trying to make the AC models sound good and I come up short every time. 

 

Care to share?


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 01:15 PM

 so, wouldn't "worship music" be more of a subject rather than a genre?

 

Webster defines genre as:

: a category of artistic, musical, or literary composition characterized by a particular style, form, or content

 

The whole idea of genre vs subject material is rather...... subjective.
Genres change over time, new genres are added, and old ones sort of disappear... It's nothing more than a way to categorize music.
When any "category" is referenced frequently enough, people start referring to it as a genre...

 

When someone mentions a "worship song", I think of a keyboard playing pads, an acoustic guitar, and a electric guitar with heavy reverb and dotted 8th delays just on the edge of breaking up.
Its typical of songs in a "worship set", usually during a church service.

 

It's a whole lot easier to say "worship tone" than try to describe the sound you want.
 


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 01:16 PM

For me, I've found that the AC models work best if your guitar has humbucker pickups.  To my ears, single coils and AC models are harsh and brittle.  For single coils I like to use some of the Marshall models, like the Plexi's and Park.


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:44 PM

When someone mentions a "worship song", I think of a keyboard playing pads, an acoustic guitar, and a electric guitar with heavy reverb and dotted 8th delays just on the edge of breaking up.

Its typical of songs in a "worship set", usually during a church service.

 


 

I think that you have made my point. When someone mentions a "worship song" YOU, think of keyboard playing pads...etc....."It's typical of songs in a "Worship set...." Well, it may not be so typical to someone else. Like me for instance. Prior to this discussion, when someone mentioned a worship song, keyboard pads, acoustic guitar and electric guitar with heavy reverb and dotted 8th delays just on the edge of breaking up were absolutely nowhere in the equation. But really, it's not that important.What is important is now, I know what is meant in guitar forums by "worship Guitar tones". It is a specific interplay between reverb, delay and sometimes distortion reminiscent of U2 where guitar tone is concerned. And even though I wouldn't categorize it personally as a "Worship Tone", I am now with the rest of the class in this discussion.

 

I may be dating myself with this, but this discussion reminds me of the "Flesh" colored Crayola Crayon. Everyone kept telling me it was flesh colored, but it never looked like my flesh.


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Posted 13 August 2013 - 06:59 AM

Got it!

 

Just having a hard time wrapping my mind around how that particular style of playing gets to claim the moniker of "Worship Music" when people worship in many different ways accompanied by many different styles of music. Some with and some without a "large reliance on delays and a tiny touch of distortion." But that's not important.

 

What is important is I have been trying to make the AC models sound good and I come up short every time. 

 

Care to share?

here is some worship tone dude!

 

 


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Posted 13 August 2013 - 08:06 AM

here is some worship tone dude!
 

 

Thanx! Great tone! I think I've got it! Worship music and tone is just a rip off of Cold Play and 10,000 Maniacs! Substitute the word "Baby" with "Lord"...Bada Bing, Bada Boom....Worship Music! ......Nah....Just messin' with ya! But really, I got it!
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Posted 13 August 2013 - 10:05 AM

I'm very confused :wacko:

 

I've seen "worship music" referenced on different forums and never quite knew what they were referring to. 

 

HELP!!!!

 

I think that all of us that are True Worship Musicians understand that term exactly, in my opinion it does not refer to an specific tone but pretty much to a trend or a tone that has become somehow a standard or a go to tone that has proven to set a specific atmosphere

 

But, That term does not represent every worship musician, Let me tell you.. A few days ago I was looking for a "Funk" tone.. ( yes,To use at church..) well, I found out that there is a lot more than just one set tone.. I like a James Brown guitar tone I heard and was trying to replicate, I think all of this is based on a popular song or artist.

 

Is kind of talking about Mexican Music and think of Mariachis... If you know what that is.

 

By the way, I listened to your tunes, Very good tone from your Rig. :)


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Posted 13 August 2013 - 10:50 AM

I'm using a gibson SG and the pod hd500 out to a fender blues jr that is mic'd into the sound system. Input 1 guitar, input 2 variax (for mute), output is studio/direct. I use specific banks per song mainly to align the tempos but also to fine tune the effects per song. Base patches go from left to right A-D: clean, crunch, medium/heavy crunch, gain.

 

Chain is tube comp (use 2 as a toggle, both at 100 thresh, output 12 always on and can toggle to 24 for a clean boost) -> tube screamer on clean and crunch patches (use 2 but not at the same time - one at 50 drive and 70 output, the other at 70 drive and 65 output) -> digital delay (always on - dotted 8th, feedback 10 for a single repeat, 50 mix for clean, 30 mix for the other patches) -> blackface 'lux vib full amp with volume at 40 -> mixer (panned hard left and right) -> tape echo to thicken a little (25ms, feedback 0, mix 50) -> spring reverb (set close to hall - decay 60, predelay 101ms, tone 40, mix 20).

 

For the gain patch I use classic distortion instead of the 70 drive tube screamer. Settings are drive 50 and output 20 (and bass 90).

 

I also adjust the drive on the blackface 'lux vib amp across the patches: clean 51, crunch 73, medium/heavy crunch 83, gain 73 with rat classic distortion.

 

For songs like Hillsong's Time Has Come and Fee's All Because of Jesus, to get a galloping delay I use the digital delay dotted 8th with feedback 10 and mix at 70 followed directly by (not dual) the analog echo quarter note with feedback 10 and mix at 50. I pull back on the gain a little for the galloping delay, otherwise the gallop isn't as clearly defined.

 

I also sometimes use the auto volume delay for swells.

 

In terms of the room, my church meets in a movie theater that seats about 300 people. Hopefully that helps. 


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Posted 13 August 2013 - 11:09 AM

Tboneous, I think you have run face-first into an issue of "worship" as shorthand within a specific subgroup, namely white, suburban evangelicals, (though surely plenty of people in this subgroup are non-white, urban or rural, and outside of evangelicalism) particularily in America, the UK, and Australia.

 

We tend to draw from the same pool of artists, as named above (Chris Tomlin, Paul Baloche, Hillsong, etc) whose music receives airplay on Christian radio, who are featured at large conferences across the world, and whose music is backed by large Christian record labels. There are a lot of us who are descending onto music stores seeking guitars. amps, and effects that will help us to sound similar to the guitarists on those recordings.

 

Indeed worship music is any music that is used in religious gatherings or with the intent of bringing glory to God, but in the world of guitarists, a large number of us use the word "worship" as shorthand for the specific genre of music we've been discussing. So when you bring up other styles of music used in worship, we are not trying to pretend they don't exist or aren't valid; we just are speaking from inside of our realm of experience.


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#37 Jhatem81

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 11:24 AM

I'm using a gibson SG and the pod hd500 out to a fender blues jr that is mic'd into the sound system. Input 1 guitar, input 2 variax (for mute), output is studio/direct. I use specific banks per song mainly to align the tempos but also to fine tune the effects per song. Base patches go from left to right A-D: clean, crunch, medium/heavy crunch, gain.

 

Chain is tube comp (use 2 as a toggle, both at 100 thresh, output 12 always on and can toggle to 24 for a clean boost) -> tube screamer on clean and crunch patches (use 2 but not at the same time - one at 50 drive and 70 output, the other at 70 drive and 65 output) -> digital delay (always on - dotted 8th, feedback 10 for a single repeat, 50 mix for clean, 30 mix for the other patches) -> blackface 'lux vib full amp with volume at 40 -> mixer (panned hard left and right) -> tape echo to thicken a little (25ms, feedback 0, mix 50) -> spring reverb (set close to hall - decay 60, predelay 101ms, tone 40, mix 20).

 

For the gain patch I use classic distortion instead of the 70 drive tube screamer. Settings are drive 50 and output 20 (and bass 90).

 

I also adjust the drive on the blackface 'lux vib amp across the patches: clean 51, crunch 73, medium/heavy crunch 83, gain 73 with rat classic distortion.

 

For songs like Hillsong's Time Has Come and Fee's All Because of Jesus, to get a galloping delay I use the digital delay dotted 8th with feedback 10 and mix at 70 followed directly by (not dual) the analog echo quarter note with feedback 10 and mix at 50. I pull back on the gain a little for the galloping delay, otherwise the gallop isn't as clearly defined.

 

I also sometimes use the auto volume delay for swells.

 

In terms of the room, my church meets in a movie theater that seats about 300 people. Hopefully that helps. 

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#38 pratikb

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 12:07 PM

I'm using a gibson SG and the pod hd500 out to a fender blues jr that is mic'd into the sound system. Input 1 guitar, input 2 variax (for mute), output is studio/direct. I use specific banks per song mainly to align the tempos but also to fine tune the effects per song. Base patches go from left to right A-D: clean, crunch, medium/heavy crunch, gain.

 

Chain is tube comp (use 2 as a toggle, both at 100 thresh, output 12 always on and can toggle to 24 for a clean boost) -> tube screamer on clean and crunch patches (use 2 but not at the same time - one at 50 drive and 70 output, the other at 70 drive and 65 output) -> digital delay (always on - dotted 8th, feedback 10 for a single repeat, 50 mix for clean, 30 mix for the other patches) -> blackface 'lux vib full amp with volume at 40 -> mixer (panned hard left and right) -> tape echo to thicken a little (25ms, feedback 0, mix 50) -> spring reverb (set close to hall - decay 60, predelay 101ms, tone 40, mix 20).

 

For the gain patch I use classic distortion instead of the 70 drive tube screamer. Settings are drive 50 and output 20 (and bass 90).

 

I also adjust the drive on the blackface 'lux vib amp across the patches: clean 51, crunch 73, medium/heavy crunch 83, gain 73 with rat classic distortion.

 

For songs like Hillsong's Time Has Come and Fee's All Because of Jesus, to get a galloping delay I use the digital delay dotted 8th with feedback 10 and mix at 70 followed directly by (not dual) the analog echo quarter note with feedback 10 and mix at 50. I pull back on the gain a little for the galloping delay, otherwise the gallop isn't as clearly defined.

 

I also sometimes use the auto volume delay for swells.

 

In terms of the room, my church meets in a movie theater that seats about 300 people. Hopefully that helps. 

 

 

Please upload your patches . :)


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#39 ftuller

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 04:30 PM

Links to base patches are below plus a few different uses of delay such as the intro/verses for hillsong united's the time has come ("4 delay time"), the verses in fee's all because of Jesus ("4 delay"), the instrumental in hillsong live's cornerstone ("73 delay"). The gain lead patch is used on things like the intro to hillsong's healer and the solo in bethel church's one thing remains. The swell patch is used on hillsong united's with everything from the live in miami record. The clean patch also works well with this version of with everything.

 

I read some of the comments above on what is worship music or the worship genre. I agree that it's not confined to any style of music. I actually think of the musical style we're discussing here as more along the lines of 1970s progressive rock (lots of dynamics, detailed guitar work, solid keys, etc.). If anyone wants to get a good feel for the type of tone that's being discussed in this thread, check out on youtube a block of three songs that run together from the hillsong united live in miami album: from the inside out/a song to sing/with everything.

 

Comments are welcome and appreciated as I never seem to be 100% satisfied with the tone.

 

http://line6.com/cus...ne/tone/225490/

http://line6.com/cus...ne/tone/225491/

http://line6.com/cus...ne/tone/225492/

http://line6.com/cus...ne/tone/225493/

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http://line6.com/cus...ne/tone/225496/

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#40 Tboneous

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 07:27 AM

Tboneous, I think you have run face-first into an issue of "worship" as shorthand within a specific subgroup, namely white, suburban evangelicals, (though surely plenty of people in this subgroup are non-white, urban or rural, and outside of evangelicalism) particularily in America, the UK, and Australia.
 
We tend to draw from the same pool of artists, as named above (Chris Tomlin, Paul Baloche, Hillsong, etc) whose music receives airplay on Christian radio, who are featured at large conferences across the world, and whose music is backed by large Christian record labels. There are a lot of us who are descending onto music stores seeking guitars. amps, and effects that will help us to sound similar to the guitarists on those recordings.
 
Indeed worship music is any music that is used in religious gatherings or with the intent of bringing glory to God, but in the world of guitarists, a large number of us use the word "worship" as shorthand for the specific genre of music we've been discussing. So when you bring up other styles of music used in worship, we are not trying to pretend they don't exist or aren't valid; we just are speaking from inside of our realm of experience.

Makes complete sense! I really only wanted to know what was meant by worship music. I now have an answer and know what to think about when that discriptive is used. But for the sake of accuracy, even though this is completely beating a dead horse, what everyone is referring to as "Worship" really is nothing more than pop/rock a la Cold Play or even U2. But Hallelujah....I am now apart of the in crowd!
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