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#1 Robzebr

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:58 AM

Hi,

 

If somebody is just starting out with a single L2t and no subwoofer ... How best to get the speaker up on a pole...  L6 has this one for screwing into the sub... but if a sub isn't being used...

 

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Can any tripod type speaker be used... ?

 

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 10:41 AM

Yes - I use regular tripods to mount my 2 L3t speakers. Just make sure they are rated for the weight.


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 11:15 AM

Which tripods do you have..?  Are you happy with them? 


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 12:13 PM

I have Ultimate's TS-80B stands, exactly the ones you pictured, coincidentally.

http://www.ultimates.../product/TS-80B

 

Yes, I am very happy with them. They're overkill in terms of load capacity, even for the L3t speakers, but I got them used at a good price. With the L2t weight of 39 lbs you could certainly go with a lesser load capacity.


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 01:37 PM

I've found that

  1. Such stands are often only sold as pairs and
  2. Raising a mounted speaker and then inserting "tommy bar" locking pins through the centre-column is often a real back-breaker.

This reasonably-priced and amazingly light (but sturdy) "crank up" stand is one of several types that I use ...and it solves both of those problems, almost effortlessly:

 

http://www.amazon.co... speaker stands


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 02:24 PM

What about something like this?  F1 for speakers weighting between 30 and 50 lbs. (Mackie 450 and JBL EONs) and F2 for speakers weighing between 55 and 80 lbs.

 

The F1 is 109.00... F2 is 99.00....   One would think the the higher capacity stand would be more but apparently not...

 

http://www.frankenstand.com/

 

For 50 bucks I can get a stand for the L2t... but I'm more of a buy it once and then never have to worry about it ... so for 109.00 this looks pretty good...  thoughts?   (Dumb newbie blowing money unnecessarily)   Its ok I can take it...

 

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 03:04 PM

Those look good for the purpose. I haven't heard of the brand before, so do some normal due diligence re: customer reviews and ratings.

 

... and I don't think you're blowing money unnecessarily. I'm of the same mind - buy quality once rather than mediocrity several times.


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 04:22 PM

... and I don't think you're blowing money unnecessarily. I'm of the same mind - buy quality once rather than mediocrity several times.


...And so say all of us !

I have just one "caveat" about the assistance from gas-filled struts and shock absorbers, ...the amount of assistance they're actually able to provide is (almost invariably) severely reduced when they're cold, below about 5ºC.

If you are indeed wanting to invest in a heavy duty stand that will most likely outlast all of us, aside from owning quite a few of those cheaper "On Stage SS8800B Plus Power Crank" stands, I also own a pair of these mighty ones from König & Meyer:

http://www.bhphotovi...nk_Speaker.html

I often have my K&M 213s simultaneously suspending both speakers and lighting.
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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:00 PM

...And so say all of us !

I have just one "caveat" about the assistance from gas-filled struts and shock absorbers, ...the amount of assistance they're actually able to provide is (almost invariably) severely reduced when they're cold, below about 5ºC.

If you are indeed wanting to invest in a heavy duty stand that will most likely outlast all of us, aside from owning quite a few of those cheaper "On Stage SS8800B Plus Power Crank" stands, I also own a pair of these mighty ones from König & Meyer:

http://www.bhphotovi...nk_Speaker.html

I often have my K&M 213s simultaneously suspending both speakers and lighting.

 

Thanks.  For what I'm doing ... new hobby .. just messing around... about $100 (give or take a little) is about the max I would want to spend...

 

The one thing I wasn't crazy about although I guess there is no way to avoid it is that when the legs are fully extended its 4 feet... which seems pretty wide on the floor... I haven't checked on how big others are...  Its not a big deal ... I didn't think they would take up that much of a footprint on the floor....


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:20 PM

A couple of vids on these stands...

 

In vid 2 it looks like he was in partners or used another company to make his stands... but decided to do it himself...

 

Also talks about the F3 which is for lighter speakers ... 30 to 40 pounds.. perfect for the L2t...

 

 

 


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:32 PM

...about $100 (give or take a little) is about the max I would want to spend...

 

 In that case, Bob...

 

...It seems to me that one of these offers might prove perfect:

 

http://www.amazon.co...n stage ss8800B

 

(The carry case included in that offer could also fit a boom stand or two, possibly even with some other hardware.)

 

http://www.bhphotovi...Up_Speaker.html

 

http://www.sweetwate...il/SpeakerStdCr

 

...The one thing I wasn't crazy about although I guess there is no way to avoid it is that when the legs are fully extended its 4 feet... which seems pretty wide on the floor... I haven't checked on how big others are...  Its not a big deal ... I didn't think they would take up that much of a footprint on the floor....

 

Sadly, a "spread" of that order is absolutely vital for stability, even with smaller speakers, for any such stand to be safe.

 

The good news is that it often proves very easy to rotate the tripod base for minimum incursion into that vital "dancing platform" onstage.

 

Having a crank-up screw jack mechanism also makes light ("as a feather") work of actually being able to use the stand at its maximum height, which can often facilitate effective radiation from a speaker atop a stand that has its base on a floor below the performance rostrum on which we're standing.

 

It also guarantees consistent operation, without the possibility of such things as cold (or possible future leakage) induced reduction in assistance from gas-filled devices.  


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 07:51 PM

Thank you for that....  Yeah that one would work too...  Sometimes maybe one is  better off going with what everybody else uses as opposed to being a pioneer and finding something that is different like gas filled shocks to raise your speaker...!

 

I wonder if he uses Bilstein's or the Monroe shocks...!   Have you ever seen when somebody goes crazy and tricks out a car and they put the suspension system in that bounces up and down to the bass in the stereo.,.? 

 

I wonder if he could do something like that... maybe one could get a kind of Leslie effect going ... Imagine playing and your L2ts are bouncing up and down to the beat... :)

 

Either one of the stands will do it for me...    Ever have any problems with the crank lever on the stand you have... bending, or falling off or just breaking... ?


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:16 PM

...Ever have any problems with the crank lever on the stand you have... bending, or falling off or just breaking... ?

 

As you'd expect for the price, my K&M 213s have proven to be virtually indestructible, with an amazingly well-engineered fold-away crank and gearbox mechanism.

 

While nowhere near as tough, my much lighter On Stage Stands SS8800B Plus Power Crank ones have an ingeniously "foldable" and instantly removable crank handle arrangement that has the added benefit of defeating "unauthorised" users, while also facilitating their much publicised (if totally unnecessary) connection to a powered chuck such as may be provided by cordless screwdrivers or multi-purpose drills.

 

The only negative aspect of that removability is the distinct possibility of mislaying cranks in transit, so I've reduced that considerably by attaching the highly flexible neoprene "loops" from luggage "bag tags" to all of my cranks, so that they travel "hanging" from the large central fastening knob that's part of each stand's spreader mechanism.

 

In several years on the road, none have suffered any loss or damage and all continue to work "as new", the only attention required being care taken in keeping the riser free of potential "gumminess" from road grime or adhesive residue, as would be needed (IMHO) with all stands. 


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:17 PM

Sensors: Speaker orientation, pole sensor, power amp temperature, powersupply,
temperature
 
 
I noticed this in the spec sheet and since we where talking poles here I thought I would ask. My suspect is that it may trigger some eq or crossover.
 
here is the spec sheet for the L3T:
 

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 11:44 PM

In some room with high natural reverb, it can be very useful useful to install the L3 high (3 to 4 m above the floor level) AND with a vertical angle directing the sound to the floor (and audience) and not toawrds the front wall. What type of "pole" and anchors could be adapted to L3? I've seen recently ChristianL speakers mounted on "Goliath poles" It was efficient to reduce reverb and improve overall sound quality.
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Posted 17 August 2013 - 12:33 PM

Sensors: Speaker orientation, pole sensor, power amp temperature, power supply,
temperature

I noticed this in the spec sheet and since we where talking poles here I thought I would ask...


A "Pole Sensor" ...is my patented vodka (especially Wyborova) detector (all rights reserved) that operates by automatically locating anyone with a family name that ends in the suffix "ski" or "sky".

The StageSource "Pole Mount Sensor" is a slightly less valuable system that Line 6 includes with their StageSource speakers. While being totally useless for locating top quality beverages, it does automatically modify the spectral characteristics of the audio from L2 and L3 systems to compensate for the acoustic effects of elevating the enclosures.

In some rooms with high natural reverb, it can be very useful useful to install the L3 high (3 to 4 m above the floor level) AND with a vertical angle directing the sound to the floor (and audience) and not towards the front wall. What type of "pole" and anchors could be adapted to L3?...


You've once again raised good points, Pierre ...and the short answer, as silverhead pointed out earlier in this conversation, is that the pole socket (sometimes called a "speaker hat") built into StageSource speakers will accommodate the "riser" in any stand that is of the"regular" or "larger standard" 35-36mm diameter, subject to his typically wise warning...

...Just make sure they are rated for the weight.


Speaking of which, König & Meyer rate their ingenious tilt adapters http://produkte.k-m....CONNECTOR-black at 25kg, so they are obviously ideal for the smaller StageSource L2s, ...but I dare say that the very slight 1.1kg "overload" imposed by the larger L3 systems should be well within the "margin for error" that's in K&M's typically conservative ratings.
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Posted 18 August 2013 - 09:41 AM

As the family origins lead back to Krackow.... I saw many a holiday with poles out of their sensors...

 

http://en.wikipedia....Luksusowa_vodka

 

http://www.alcoholre...tovodkas1.shtml

 

http://www.russianli...2.cfm?Vodka=134


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 11:18 AM

Speaking of which, König & Meyer rate their ingenious tilt adapters http://produkte.k-m....CONNECTOR-black at 25kg, so they are obviously ideal for the smaller StageSource L2s, ...but I dare say that the very slight 1.1kg "overload" imposed by the larger L3 systems should be well within the "margin for error" that's in K&M's typically conservative ratings.

I run this combination of K&M-19670-Tilt-Connector and L3t since some weeks. No complains until today.

On Hercules Stands HC-SS710B with crank.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 04:19 PM

I run this combination of K&M-19670-Tilt-Connector and L3t since some weeks. No complains until today.

On Hercules Stands HC-SS710B with crank.

 

Is this a universal adapter?....  or only works on the K&M....


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 04:27 PM

 In that case, Bob...

 

...It seems to me that one of these offers might prove perfect:

 

http://www.amazon.co...n stage ss8800B

 

(The carry case included in that offer could also fit a boom stand or two, possibly even with some other hardware.)

 

http://www.bhphotovi...Up_Speaker.html

 

http://www.sweetwate...il/SpeakerStdCr

 

 

Sadly, a "spread" of that order is absolutely vital for stability, even with smaller speakers, for any such stand to be safe.

 

The good news is that it often proves very easy to rotate the tripod base for minimum incursion into that vital "dancing platform" onstage.

 

Having a crank-up screw jack mechanism also makes light ("as a feather") work of actually being able to use the stand at its maximum height, which can often facilitate effective radiation from a speaker atop a stand that has its base on a floor below the performance rostrum on which we're standing.

 

It also guarantees consistent operation, without the possibility of such things as cold (or possible future leakage) induced reduction in assistance from gas-filled devices.  

 

I got a chance to look at the K&M stands a little closer... 

 

How heavy are the speakers that you are using with the K & M 213s?


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