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#1 geebake

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 12:56 PM

So I just got the email about the update and IMMEDIATELY ran it - throwing caution to the wind.

 

The update itself was totally uneventful. I used the workbench interface that came with my 59 and did also have it plugged into an old XPS box (from a Vax 500) and I had no issues at all. Loaded up the new monkey and it installed both the new version of Workbench and the firmware within about 5 minues. No hiccupps at all.

 

Workbench - the new workbench is purdy! I like the layout. I don't see that it adds much functionality, but I've only briefly played with it. Someone mentioned that the 'Magnetic Blend' slider is new. Could be. I just don't recall. There is also a model for 'Natural Body' which appears to eliminate any body modeling - just my theory. 12 String settings are now controlled by the 'Parallel Pitch' thingy. Don't see any other differences. Oh one more thing. When launching and connecting to my 59, the software seems to take my longer to initially synch with the guitar. I assume this is due to the HD models having more data. Again just my theory.

 

Firmware - Probably not as dramatic an update as some may expect - at least to my ears. Models appear to be the same as they had been with the exception of the Tele models. In the second and fourth positions, we now have a Tele with wide range humbuckers. No more ultra bassy circuit in the fourth position and I don't miss it. I see no other differences, but haven't tried everything yet.

 

So how does it sound? Pretty damned good to my ears. This will take time to digest, but I do think every model I've tried sounds better. Perhaps not dramatically better, but definitely better. I always felt there was a tiny bit of piezzo sound coming through and to my ears, this is significally diminished. I almost hate to say this, but the best way I can describe what I'm hearing is --- HD. They just sound like more detailed models.

 

Perhaps the biggest improvement is the 12 string models. Much less pitch chasing. It is still somewhat evident on very low notes, but from about the lowest D in standard tuning and up, it seems to be much more stable. I'm very pleaed with this. The Ricks sound way better!

 

I don't sense any change in the acoustics. I suspect that the previous update was sufficient there. Again, just my theory.

 

So I'm pretty damned happy. Though, I've only played the update for about a half hour, it genuinely sounds better to me and I thought it was pretty damned good already.

 

Kudos L6! About damned time!

 

Please chime in with your thoughts.
 

Greg

 

2 quick edtitions.

 

The PC I'm using is a custom built Windows 8 machine. i7(3770K) with 16 gb of ram and a couple of SSDs. Again ZERO install issues.

 

I mentioned that Workbench takes longer to load. However - during the load, it doesn't stop the modelling so you can play away while it's synching :)


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:01 PM

Workbench HD, now has capabilities that are specific to the JTV's...  i'm sure you'll find lots more...

you also have access to the high gain pickup models from the 89.

i find the update to be a very dramatic difference.. the difference between the models sounds more pronounced...

anyway... good initial review! but there's more to find :)

 

So I just got the email about the update and IMMEDIATELY ran it - throwing caution to the wind.

 

The update itself was totally uneventful. I used the workbench interface that came with my 59 and did also have it plugged into an old XPS box (from a Vax 500) and I had no issues at all. Loaded up the new monkey and it installed both the new version of Workbench and the firmware within about 5 minues. No hiccupps at all.

 

Workbench - the new workbench is purdy! I like the layout. I don't see that it adds much functionality, but I've only briefly played with it. Someone mentioned that the 'Magnetic Blend' slider is new. Could be. I just don't recall. There is also a model for 'Natural Body' which appears to eliminate any body modeling - just my theory. 12 String settings are now controlled by the 'Parallel Pitch' thingy. Don't see any other differences. Oh one more thing. When launching and connecting to my 59, the software seems to take my longer to initially synch with the guitar. I assume this is due to the HD models having more data. Again just my theory.

 

Firmware - Probably not as dramatic an update as some may expect - at least to my ears. Models appear to be the same as they had been with the exception of the Tele models. In the second and fourth positions, we now have a Tele with wide range humbuckers. No more ultra bassy circuit in the fourth position and I don't miss it. I see no other differences, but haven't tried everything yet.

 

So how does it sound? Pretty damned good to my ears. This will take time to digest, but I do think every model I've tried sounds better. Perhaps not dramatically better, but definitely better. I always felt there was a tiny bit of piezzo sound coming through and to my ears, this is significally diminished. I almost hate to say this, but the best way I can describe what I'm hearing is --- HD. They just sound like more detailed models.

 

Perhaps the biggest improvement is the 12 string models. Much less pitch chasing. It is still somewhat evident on very low notes, but from about the lowest D in standard tuning and up, it seems to be much more stable. I'm very pleaed with this. The Ricks sound way better!

 

I don't sense any change in the acoustics. I suspect that the previous update was sufficient there. Again, just my theory.

 

So I'm pretty damned happy. Though, I've only played the update for about a half hour, it genuinely sounds better to me and I thought it was pretty damned good already.

 

Kudos L6! About damned time!

 

Please chime in with your thoughts.
 

Greg


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:03 PM

Well, I was involved in the beta on this one, and to me the changes in the models seemed pretty dramatic. I've been using the updated models live for the last few months, and I can tell a big difference in the way things react to overdrive and distortion. I just think everything is much more lively for lack of a better word.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:06 PM

I'm sure you're right Guru and Zap. I just wanted to get some quick thoughts down as they occurred to me.

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:08 PM

Haha... I only make my family call me Guru... You can call me Phil :D

 

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:13 PM

LOL. sorry. I don't use this forum much and I saw 'Guru' next to your avatar. Thought that was your nick. My appologies Phil!

 

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:17 PM

And one more thing. The volume pot is definitely more useful now. When rolling off a bit of volume, the tone behaves much more like a real guitar. I like!

 

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:29 PM

Ooo!  From the help manual: 

 

 

Option 2: Use one of your favorite 6 string models and enable 12 string Parallel Pitch for that model. 

 

So, that means we can take ANY model and make it a 12 string.  

 

Please remember, NO STAIRWAY.

 

 


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:36 PM

From a quick run thru the HD update does seem better on all models.  The chime 12 string is quite a bit better with a lot less warble and pitch artifacts, the low E & A string still seem a bit dead compared a to real 12 string but overall the 12 string is much more usable.  The rest of the models do seem livelier.  To me the attack seems better, before the models always seemed a bit mushy for lack of a better word.

 

Workbench is a lot nicer and easier to get around in, and less confusing.  Haven't spent a lot of time with it but definitely as big improvement.

 

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:38 PM

How is palm muting behavior on the new HD models?


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 03:42 PM

I could be off my rocker, however, I do feel a better sense of accuracy with regard to palm muting.

 

I presume others will chime in on this subject.

 

EDIT:  Yeah...I seem to have a better PM sense with this, however, I'm really uncertain about my decisions, 'cause the only thing I've done is update via L6 Monkey with my POD HD500 connected and JTV connected to it.  I have not accessed the WBHD software, yet, 'cause my battery has no charge - I'm always plugged into the HD500 with it.  Am I losing my mind...anyone...???   OK...with regard to the PM question only.  I already know about my mind with regard to other subjects.  :-)


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 04:10 PM

12 string acoustics SOOOOOO much better!  Couldn't really use them before.  Thanks LINE 6!!!

but an expert of line 6, told me that the acoustic were not altered


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 04:11 PM

Will the HD WB only with the JTV USB interface be the only way with this going forward? I've always used my XTL, X3L, then my HD500 with the Work Bench software.

 

I have 2 JTV's and so 2 JTV USB interfaces, but have never used 'em. Seems like a major step backwards -- hopefully they're just working the kinks out of the JTV/VDI/HD500/Work Bench method.... I hope, anyway. Any word on this?

 

I have a couple of weeks of weekend shows coming up, so am going to get past those before diving in on this anyway. I never mess with my setup until I have some free time to deal with issues that may come up. I use both of my JTV's for gigs -- a 59 and a 69S. I had a bit of a trouble when updating the 69S (my newest late 2012) to firmware 1.9. Had to do it a couple times before it took. Thought I'd bricked it, but didn't panic and it finally worked. The 59 went through without a hitch in all updates since I've had it ( mid 2011)... At least I'll be able to do the firmware update via my HD500/VDI -- that's a relief. The updating is when I feel the guitar is at its most vulnerable...

 

In the meantime, I've built a new pc with Win8 and it has USB 3, so that will be an adventure. Good thing I have my Win7 PC as a server now, that I know works with the L6 software -- been using that one up until the new machine. I find if I have too many changes at once, it's harder to figure the situation out if something screws up...

 

Just wondering -- thanks for any ideas on this subject...

 

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 04:12 PM

We have asked the question again to be sure.... but from what we know they had not been altered... we'll let you know either way once we have confirmed.

 

but an expert of line 6, told me that the acoustic were not altered


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 04:13 PM

They do plan to make the pods work... they just didn't want to hold up release.

 

 

Will the HD WB only with the JTV USB interface be the only way with this going forward? I've always used my XTL, X3L, then my HD500 with the Work Bench software.

 

I have 2 JTV's and so 2 JTV USB interfaces, but have never used 'em. Seems like a major step backwards -- hopefully they're just working the kinks out of the JTV/VDI/HD500/Work Bench method.... I hope, anyway. Any word on this?

 

I have a couple of weeks of weekend shows coming up, so am going to get past those before diving in on this anyway. I never mess with my setup until I have some free time to deal with issues that may come up. I use both of my JTV's for gigs -- a 59 and a 69S. I had a bit of a trouble when updating the 69S (my newest late 2012) to firmware 1.9. Had to do it a couple times before it took. Thought I'd bricked it, but didn't panic and it finally worked. The 59 went through without a hitch in all updates since I've had it ( mid 2011)... At least I'll be able to do the firmware update via my HD500/VDI -- that's a relief. The updating is when I feel the guitar is at its most vulnerable...

 

In the meantime, I've built a new pc with Win8 and it has USB 3, so that will be an adventure. Good thing I have my Win7 PC as a server now, that I know works with the L6 software -- been using that one up until the new machine. I find if I have too many changes at once, it's harder to figure the situation out if something screws up...

 

Just wondering -- thanks for any ideas on this subject...

 

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 04:17 PM

Ok -- thanks, Zap!

 

Guess I'll do the FW update with the HD500 in a couple of weeks (if I can wait that long) and mess with the new models for a while before wanting to change them or mess with them in WBHD...

 

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 04:19 PM

and miss out on those juicy 89 mag models! haha :D

 

Ok -- thanks, Zap!

 

Guess I'll do the FW update with the HD500 in a couple of weeks (if I can wait that long) and mess with the new models for a while before wanting to change them or mess with them in WBHD...

 

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 04:23 PM

Yah -- I know... Getting the shakes to try, but holdin' back... Maybe Sunday after Saturday's show.... Man I'm already feelin' myself cavin' in... No Sunday at the earliest. Must hold firm~~~~~~~~~~

 

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 04:25 PM

So I just got the email about the update and IMMEDIATELY ran it - throwing caution to the wind.

 

The update itself was totally uneventful. I used the workbench interface that came with my 59 and did also have it plugged into an old XPS box (from a Vax 500) and I had no issues at all. Loaded up the new monkey and it installed both the new version of Workbench and the firmware within about 5 minues. No hiccupps at all.

 

Workbench - the new workbench is purdy! I like the layout. I don't see that it adds much functionality, but I've only briefly played with it. Someone mentioned that the 'Magnetic Blend' slider is new. Could be. I just don't recall. There is also a model for 'Natural Body' which appears to eliminate any body modeling - just my theory. 12 String settings are now controlled by the 'Parallel Pitch' thingy. Don't see any other differences. Oh one more thing. When launching and connecting to my 59, the software seems to take my longer to initially synch with the guitar. I assume this is due to the HD models having more data. Again just my theory.

 

Firmware - Probably not as dramatic an update as some may expect - at least to my ears. Models appear to be the same as they had been with the exception of the Tele models. In the second and fourth positions, we now have a Tele with wide range humbuckers. No more ultra bassy circuit in the fourth position and I don't miss it. I see no other differences, but haven't tried everything yet.

 

So how does it sound? Pretty damned good to my ears. This will take time to digest, but I do think every model I've tried sounds better. Perhaps not dramatically better, but definitely better. I always felt there was a tiny bit of piezzo sound coming through and to my ears, this is significally diminished. I almost hate to say this, but the best way I can describe what I'm hearing is --- HD. They just sound like more detailed models.

 

Perhaps the biggest improvement is the 12 string models. Much less pitch chasing. It is still somewhat evident on very low notes, but from about the lowest D in standard tuning and up, it seems to be much more stable. I'm very pleaed with this. The Ricks sound way better!

 

I don't sense any change in the acoustics. I suspect that the previous update was sufficient there. Again, just my theory.

 

So I'm pretty damned happy. Though, I've only played the update for about a half hour, it genuinely sounds better to me and I thought it was pretty damned good already.

 

Kudos L6! About damned time!

 

Please chime in with your thoughts.
 

Greg

 

2 quick edtitions.

 

The PC I'm using is a custom built Windows 8 machine. i7(3770K) with 16 gb of ram and a couple of SSDs. Again ZERO install issues.

 

I mentioned that Workbench takes longer to load. However - during the load, it doesn't stop the modelling so you can play away while it's synching :)

 

 

Did everyone get notice?  I didn't receive a notice of it's release and I a registered user.  Was there any release notes?


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 04:28 PM

I got one. I don't know if being a registered user is enough -- check your account info -- maybe you didn't check any boxes that sign you up for emails or such....

 

Just a thought.

 

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