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#1 case67

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 12:38 PM

Hi all,

 

just a small idea.

The L6 Link is a 'digital data stream'.

With all my music in it.

 

How can I record this L6 Link data stream to my computer disk as music file, as .wav ?

 

OK. You say i should use the 'PC'-labeled USB connector for this.

Good idea, but unfortunately i am currently playing my recorded 'RECORDING' session from SD-card.

And playing from SD-card and recording to PC-USB at the same time is not possible.

 

So i am forced to record the analog MainOuts through my Focusrite Saffire into Ableton Live.

-> AD - DA conversion. Bad.

 

Why the heck can i not directly record the digital L6 Link data stream?

 

Well, just a small idea ...

 

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#2 silverhead

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 01:24 PM

.....

 

Why the heck can i not directly record the digital L6 Link data stream?

 

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Because it is a proprietary Line 6 protocol and they have not made it available to DAW manufacturers. Nor have they manufactured the necessary audio interface to connect the L6 Link output from the M20d to a PC/DAW input. Line 6 and DAW manufacturers use industry standard software protocols and interface hardware like ASIO and USB.

 

You can, however, import all your *.wav files on the SD card into your DAW. These will be the raw (unprocessed) data files from your M20d recording.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 01:47 PM

Hi silverhead,

 

>You can, however, import all your *.wav files on the SD card into your DAW. These will be the raw (unprocessed) data files from your M20d recording.

 

Yes. That is what i do for weeks now.

I cut the recordings in the DAW Ableton Live9.

And then i want to do a nice mix and i want to use  ..... not Ableton Live 9 but uber-gear Line 6 M20d, my dear uber Guru.

So i export my cutted recording from Ableton back to SD-card.

And after i have modified the session.dat accordingly i load the 'cutted recording session' into the M20d again.

And then i do a mix of this recording with this nice M20d sound.

And then i want to record my nice mix, but that is only possible via MainOuts.
Why is it not possible via L6 Digital Link?
 
Just my small idea.
 
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Posted 16 August 2013 - 02:29 PM

.....Why is it not possible via L6 Digital Link?......

What would you plug the L6 Digital link into? Because to reiterate silverhead......

.... it is a proprietary Line 6 protocol and they have not made it available to DAW manufacturers.....

Nor have they made any interface for it aside from what is in their speakers. This is probably the main reason.

We can only use the L6 link between the speakers, and the board. Maybe it is something to put into the "Idea" section. It seems like a good idea.

Hope this helps,
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Posted 16 August 2013 - 03:35 PM

Why is it not possible via L6 Digital Link?
 


It's possible. All you have to do is design and build an interface and convert the data to a data stream acceptable to your other DAW. :)

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 03:39 PM

... and, of course, obtain the proprietary protocol specification in order to convert the data stream...........

 

Sounds pretty straightforward to me :lol:


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 07:04 PM

This is near a question I have but on a much more basic level from a Line 6 um... well I have not done much of anything YET...

Well 2 part. 

1 The digital cable, I can record .wav files to my PC on it, is that correct? If so what program can I capture them with? Is that in the

workbench?(Win7)

2: Instead of using the USB, is it possible to plug in directly to a RJ-45 port on the computer?

 

And yes "silly rabbit..." replies that contain useful information to a novice would be appreciated!


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 07:29 PM

Not with the L6 link, no you cannot. You can record to your computer with the USB cable and it can be captured by any DAW. Any recording program - Reason, ProTools, Studio One, and many more,

It is also not set up to connect to your RJ45 on your computer. Chances are, your RJ45 is on your modem card, not an audio card. I assume you are asking to use the rj45 to transfer audio? It won't work for an Internet connection either. Between the board and computer. Your RJ45 on your computer cannot be used in anyway with the M20D.

There are two USB ports on the board. One is to go to your computer, and the other is to read USB sticks, or to create a wireless connection.

To record files to your computer, use the USB "type B" socket to connect the board to your computer.

Trying to keep my reply bot useful, and easy to understand. So I will stop and you can ask more if you need.
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Posted 16 August 2013 - 08:05 PM

Thank you for the reply Digital.  I think I left some confusion, and as a result I have more confusion.

What I have is a shiny new model 59 Variax, with a 1/4" plug, and a fancy RJ-45 connector.  Also a cable that goes to an included RJ-45 to USB adapter, and USB to the computer.

The RJ-45 Jack I was eyeing is a network card, with a spare port, not a modem port.(which would most likely be an RJ-4 or RJ-6, but in any case.. I will presume the no still means no.)

 

I do not know what board you speak of that might possibly have 2 USB ports on it, So I am guessing "I do not have it".

 

Which if I am correct in my guesses, question 2 answer=no,

And perhaps a clarified question #1 remaining?

 The digital cable, I can record .wav files to my PC on it, is that correct? If so what program can I capture them with? Is that in the

workbench?(Win7)

 

I also notice no audio (or digital audio) device showing up that are not directed to onboard audio jacks.

In other words.. no line 6 audio(analog nor digital) devices.

 

Edit: just googled m20d and no I DEFINATELY do not have that nor anything similar(ux1 etc)


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 06:11 AM

No, the digital cable that came with your Variax is not used for recording, and does not connect to your computer. The cables you describe that came with the Variax are used with the hardware interface that alsdo came with them to connect your Variax to your computer to use Workbench and to update the firmware of your Variax. You connect the RJ45 cable to your Variax and to the hardware interface. You then connect the USB cable to your computer and to the hardware interface. Workbench should now recognize your JTV (as long as it has a well charged battery and a 1/4" guitar cable connected to activate the 'on' switch of the Variax).

Workbench is not a recording program (DAW). You need to have an audio recording program installed on your computer (DigitalSound mentioned some; do some googling on the term DAW to learn more). You will also need an audio interface (a separate piece of hardware) between your Variax and your computer to communicate the Variax guitar audio output to the DAW.
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Posted 17 August 2013 - 06:53 AM

I do not know what board you speak of that might possibly have 2 USB ports on it, So I am guessing "I do not have it".

 

Edit: just googled m20d and no I DEFINATELY do not have that nor anything similar(ux1 etc)

Sorry, I thought you were talking about the M20D.  It actually wasn't mentioned, but I believe the first first post was referring to the M20D.

 

I know nothing about the Variax...hopefully silverhead's information is more clear for you.


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 08:20 AM

No, the digital cable that came with your Variax is not used for recording, and does not connect to your computer. The cables you describe that came with the Variax are used with the hardware interface that alsdo came with them to connect your Variax to your computer to use Workbench and to update the firmware of your Variax. You connect the RJ45 cable to your Variax and to the hardware interface. You then connect the USB cable to your computer and to the hardware interface. Workbench should now recognize your JTV (as long as it has a well charged battery and a 1/4" guitar cable connected to activate the 'on' switch of the Variax).

Workbench is not a recording program (DAW). You need to have an audio recording program installed on your computer (DigitalSound mentioned some; do some googling on the term DAW to learn more). You will also need an audio interface (a separate piece of hardware) between your Variax and your computer to communicate the Variax guitar audio output to the DAW.

This is a bit disappointing.  Not disappointing enough to wish to return my purchase but disappointing never the less.  With all the capabilities they build into these guitars, a digital audio out (non-proprietary as proprietary is a dirty word) is not included?  I suddenly feel... left handed ;)


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 08:52 AM

the digital info is not purely audio... which is why it's "proprietary" it also has some sort of midi info...

which is what allows the guitar to control other things... and allows the pod to control the guitar...

it's with good reason that they created their digital format...

its not like they just did it so that you can't record...

there are probably a million ways to record the guitar... use one of them :D

 

This is a bit disappointing.  Not disappointing enough to wish to return my purchase but disappointing never the less.  With all the capabilities they build into these guitars, a digital audio out (non-proprietary as proprietary is a dirty word) is not included?  I suddenly feel... left handed ;)


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 09:14 AM

In other words, they want to sell me their proprietary(excuse the language) pod too.  There are lots of ways to record the guitar..

well 2 actually.  Analog or digital.  Digital output is proprietary, and not available to computers without additional hardware.  Got it.

That leaves analog.  And yes I can work with that.  It remains disappointing.  I have been disappointed before.  I probably will again.

And over all, it is still a nice Axe.

 

And I agree there was good reason to design it that way.  To sell more accessories(interfaces/pods).  I just wonder how many fewer guitars it sells as a result ..

Do not underestimate the power of the geek side ;)

Anyway.. all solved here. Generic usb to 1/4" adapter, some nameless software, and I am good to go.  Threw out the software that came with the cable too.

It is just a shame that the digital output is locked in the name of proprietary. 

The adage remains : “You can't solve a problem with the same mind that created it.”
Albert Einstein B)

 

the digital info is not purely audio... which is why it's "proprietary" it also has some sort of midi info...

which is what allows the guitar to control other things... and allows the pod to control the guitar...

it's with good reason that they created their digital format...

its not like they just did it so that you can't record...

there are probably a million ways to record the guitar... use one of them :D


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 09:22 AM

you do realize that billions of guitars have been recorded via the analog output and the world still has not been hit by the angry gods asteroid of shame.

 

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In other words, they want to sell me their proprietary(excuse the language) pod too.  There are lots of ways to record the guitar..

well 2 actually.  Analog or digital.  Digital output is proprietary, and not available to computers without additional hardware.  Got it.

That leaves analog.  And yes I can work with that.  It remains disappointing.  I have been disappointed before.  I probably will again.

And over all, it is still a nice Axe.

 

And I agree there was good reason to design it that way.  To sell more accessories(interfaces/pods).  I just wonder how many fewer guitars it sells as a result ..

Do not underestimate the power of the geek side ;)

Anyway.. all solved here. Generic usb to 1/4" adapter, some nameless software, and I am good to go.  Threw out the software that came with the cable too.

It is just a shame that the digital output is locked in the name of proprietary. 

The adage remains : “You can't solve a problem with the same mind that created it.”
Albert Einstein B)


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 09:32 AM

Indeed, in fact they made many fine instruments using some wood and a bit of cat gut. 

Boldly moving forward, cause we can't find reverse!


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 05:31 AM

>We can only use the L6 link between the speakers, and the board. Maybe it is something to put into the "Idea" section. It seems like a good idea.

It would be a hardware made by Line 6. Something like a 'Converter from L6 Link-IN into S/PDIF-OUT or TOSlink-OUT'.

Just take the L6 Link data stream and output the audio part in 24bit 48kHz stereo. Sounds not too tricky to me.

 

But the real issue is that i can not play recordings from SD-card and record the MainOuts digitally at the same time.

When i play my recording from SD-Card and then plug in the USB-PC cable the replay stops and the following message is displayed:

'Multitrack recording to SD/USB storage is not available while connected to a computer'.

The second part of this message is correct: i have connected a computer to USB-PC.

But the first part makes no sense: The M20d is currently REPLAYing a multitrack recording FROM SD/USB storage.

 

Dear Line 6,

 

my christmas wish 2013 is:

when the M20d is REPLAYing a multitrack recording FROM SD/USB storage

i want to record MainMixOnly via USB-PC connector into my DAW in 24bit 48kHz stereo.

Taking channels 1 and 2 of your ASIO driver for that would be great.

 

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 04:26 AM

Well this week I solved this issue buying a Focusrite scarlett 2i2 audio interface....


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