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#61 davemed

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 10:38 AM

I do have a Ric 360/12C63, 620 custom, ...and had a 381V69 I sold.  Nothing sounds better than the real thing of course.   I found a workaround for both my dissapointments with strat quack and ric settings by simply using my compressor.  It also adds unwanted volume so I have to turn the volume knob on the guitar down, but thats not a biggie.  I tried messing with the settings in Workbench HD and just couldnt get it where I wanted and was afraid I was making it worse.  I must say that in this update I am extremely pleased with the updated acoustic (6 and 12 string) settings.  


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#62 ReverendLove

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 10:41 AM

Obvious solution:

 

1. buy a used Variax 300 for next to nothing (usually around $200)

 

2. install Variax 300 guts in JTV next to JTV guts

 

3. Add an A/B/ switch to choose between old Variax sounds and 2.0 sounds

 

Or just play the Variax 300 when you want the old sounds

 

Or just leave 1.9 installed and enjoy it.

 

Or reinstall the firmware when you want to change between sounds

 

Or tweak the 2.0 sounds in Workbench til they sound exactly like the 1.9 sounds (someone will eventually do this and provide the results as a download, thus becoming a hero to a few here ( I would start by rolling off the tone knob and decreasing the volume in 2.0, that should get you in the ballpark).

 

Or work the EQ on a POD HD til it sounds like the old tones. I know, I know, "But the EQ in the POD HD is labeled in % and I can only use and EQ that is labled in Hz or Db!".

 

Adapt/evolve or die, as they say... or: "you must choose, but choose wisely, for as the real grail brings eternal life, the false grail brings death"

 

Yayy, johnnyayyy, buuut some are just more interested in caring for their problems, than looking for solutions ;-)


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 10:44 AM

actually it would be cheaper to buy 2 jtvs and keep one at 1.9.... than to buy a 300 and do any kind of transplant... i think...

but i've never seen anyone build a transplant variax and not gold plate every detail to the point of being an expensive deal.


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 12:29 PM

please fixed volume of E and B strings of strat, they are much lower than the other
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#65 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 02:12 PM

Just turn them up (or the others down in Workbench!


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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:36 AM

then i guess 2.0 isn't for you... i have been told that after performing the workaround that hugo suggested that the strat is as intended.

the only thing they are going to fix is the need for the workaround.

that's as fixed as it's going to get... beyond that you can use workbench hd to change to your fit your own personal ideal.

 

I hope the people that work at Line 6 will take the critics serious. I just tested the strat sound again and I sounds like a Joke, not even like a real guitar.  I own 7 strats, 4 Fenders 3 Haar guitars so I know what I'm talking about. The JTV wasn't a cheap guitar so I expect a good sound out of It. To switch back to the 1.9 version isn't a option because that version also needs allot of work, the acoustic sound are very bad and the overall sounds is nog realistic. The acoustic sound in the older variax are much better. I believe you like the sound, that fine. But that doesn't mean other people must like I. Just compare a real fender (a good one, custom shop or a old one) with the variax, maybe you understand what everbody mean. 

 

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:47 AM

they did compare it to a real strat... and the modeled sound is accurate to that strat....

i'm sure there are millions of other strats...that sound different...

 

here's details on the modeled one:

The hugely popular Fender® Stratocaster® can be heard on hits by legendary guitarists Jimi Hendrix (“Foxy Lady”), Stevie Ray Vaughan (“Pride and Joy”), Eric Clapton (“Layla”) and many others.

Based on* 1959 Fender® Stratocaster®. Considered a radical departure when introduced in 1954, the Stratocaster® influenced electric guitar design more than any other single instrument—and its distinctive comfort-contoured body, bolt-on neck and versatile electronics have become industry-standard features. Our model takes one slight liberty—unlike the modeled instrument, the tone control works on the Bridge pickup, too.

 

 

this model will not change to suit your preference...

you can either mess around with it in workbench HD, rollback to 1.9 and mess around with that in workbench if you desire, accept it, or wait and hope that one day they offer additional models or model packs... (possible... but not likely to be anytime soon...)

 

I hope the people that work at Line 6 will take the critics serious. I just tested the strat sound again and I sounds like a Joke, not even like a real guitar.  I own 7 strats, 4 Fenders 3 Haar guitars so I know what I'm talking about. The JTV wasn't a cheap guitar so I expect a good sound out of It. To switch back to the 1.9 version isn't a option because that version also needs allot of work, the acoustic sound are very bad and the overall sounds is nog realistic. The acoustic sound in the older variax are much better. I believe you like the sound, that fine. But that doesn't mean other people must like I. Just compare a real fender (a good one, custom shop or a old one) with the variax, maybe you understand what everbody mean. 

 

(sorry my English is very bad)


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#68 phil_m

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:56 AM

Just compare a real fender (a good one, custom shop or a old one) with the variax, maybe you understand what everbody mean. 

 

I have done this... Just did it again yesterday, and to me the Variax model is pretty much identical to my 2012 American Standard Strat with the Fat 50s pickups (which makes sense considering Line 6 modeled a 50s Strat).

 

I also have Strat Plus with Lace Sensors in it, and those are bit thicker sounding, but they also don't have quite the same bite as standard Strat pickups.


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Posted 25 August 2013 - 08:22 AM


they did compare it to a real strat... and the modeled sound is accurate to that strat....

i'm sure there are millions of other strats...that sound different...

 

here's details on the modeled one:

The hugely popular Fender® Stratocaster® can be heard on hits by legendary guitarists Jimi Hendrix (“Foxy Lady”), Stevie Ray Vaughan (“Pride and Joy”), Eric Clapton (“Layla”) and many others.

Based on* 1959 Fender® Stratocaster®. Considered a radical departure when introduced in 1954, the Stratocaster® influenced electric guitar design more than any other single instrument—and its distinctive comfort-contoured body, bolt-on neck and versatile electronics have become industry-standard features. Our model takes one slight liberty—unlike the modeled instrument, the tone control works on the Bridge pickup, too.

 

 

this model will not change to suit your preference...

you can either mess around with it in workbench HD, rollback to 1.9 and mess around with that in workbench if you desire, accept it, or wait and hope that one day they offer additional models or model packs... (possible... but not likely to be anytime soon...)

 

Do you work at Line 6? I hope that they fix the sound very quick.  I played allot of strat and also owned allot strats. I know ever guitars sounds different. I also know that a good tone is in the fingers but the Line 6 strat doesn't sound like a normal guitar, the sound is very thin and cold. 

 

For the people who don't know what a Haar guitar is, check this 

 

Reinhold Bogner own's allot of them. 


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Posted 25 August 2013 - 08:38 AM

I do not work for line6, But i did speak very specifically to those that worked on this model.

and again refer you to my previous words... nothing is changing on this model, except for the elimination of the need for the common knowledge workaround.


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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:58 AM

yes, I already did it, but definitely there is a defect to be repaired

Just turn them up (or the others down in Workbench!


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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:06 AM

I'm having a lot of difficulties to adjust the pod drives these new JTV model, I already realized that will take a long time to readjust my pod 500 , lester 1 became much treble and with much more gain and output than before


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 10:20 AM

I finally have down loaded and installed The 2.0 HD update to one of my Tylers.
 Probably going to revert to 1.9.
Line6 has placed this odd ADSR Envelope on the Strat tones (always been there even on JTV Firmware 1.9) , but the new HD 2.0 Strats are just plain lifeless with no sustain - by design. something is VERY wrong when you can dial up a Mesa Dual Treadplate  Amp Patch on the HD500X and then use the new Tyler HD 2.0 Strat, yet  have zero sustain. I've heard more sustain on a Ukelele. 

 

Does anyone at line6 beta test this stuff before its released? I find it hard any company would release this and call it a "Strat"


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Posted 06 September 2013 - 01:57 PM

actually it would be cheaper to buy 2 jtvs and keep one at 1.9.... than to buy a 300 and do any kind of transplant... i think...

but i've never seen anyone build a transplant variax and not gold plate every detail to the point of being an expensive deal.

 

Submitted for your approval: my 2 cheapo transplants:

 

The Tele is Mexican and cost me around $700 total ($300 for the Tele, $200 for the Variax donor, and $100 for the GraphTech bridge, $100 for the Bigsby setup).

 

The White Falcon is a Chinese replica, around $750 total ($300 for the "Gretsch", $250 for the Variax 500 donor, $100 for the GraphTech bridge, and $100 for the DeArmond pickups not shown in the pics).

 

My only goal when putting these together was to have all the flexibility of a Variax without anyone knowing I was playing a Variax. The guitars are junky for sure but still look miles cooler than the Variax 300 and 500 I used to build them IMO.

 

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 02:09 PM

Nice but the do it yourself ability helped the cost a bit. You're braver than I am.
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Posted 08 September 2013 - 12:45 PM

Nice but the do it yourself ability helped the cost a bit. You're braver than I am.

 

I once added a Roland internal 13 pin plugin and pickup (with the guts inside too) to my first red ax 500... I used the battery compartment for the tronics. Wish I still had it too. A "pro" job if I do say so myself and turned out nice. It has nothing to do with being brave Zap... You just have to have "lots" and "lots" of time and patience and go very slow and careful...

 

FWIW I dont think that my JTV 69 in the "strat" 2 n 4 sounds cold at all. In fact Im on the side that says before the update, #2 sounded muddy...

 

And sounds better now to me.  YMMV as always... 


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 09:34 PM

It has nothing to do with being brave Zap... You just have to have "lots" and "lots" of time and patience and go very slow and careful...

 

 

 

in my case I just muddled through and kept fumbling and bumbling and hacking away at it til it worked, made tons of mistakes along the way but didn't really care - I had no fear from the start as I figured if I screwed up it was no big deal, I would only be losing a few bucks and destroying some cheapo guitars that meant nothing to anyone... if I had purchased the Variaxes new and paid full price I would have been much more hesitant, but a $200-250 used Variax is just begging to be torn apart and repurposed IMO.


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