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#1 dtray187

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 03:45 PM

Has anyone tried this yet? I just noticed it was in the update


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#2 totoleheron

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:26 PM

No, how do you do that?


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#3 TxHCBP

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:40 PM

Looks to me like the bottom right hand corner of the WB control panel. You can see the word "Model"; to the left of that is the control slider for the Mag/Model blend.


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#4 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 04:06 PM

You can blend the Mags and the models - just keep in mind that the mags can't be pitch shifted.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 12:48 PM

Has anyone tried this yet? I just noticed it was in the update

I did it.I mix about 29% the mag with the tele bridge and came out awesome. My guitar 69s


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#6 stevedodd

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 09:18 AM

So in theory something like a Fernandes Sustainer could be fitted as well and mixed? Cool.


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#7 McLenison

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 12:13 PM

That is cool!  So if you blend in a little, I assume you wont perceive much, if any, latency.


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Posted 06 December 2013 - 01:08 PM

That is cool!  So if you blend in a little, I assume you wont perceive much, if any, latency.

 

   That's true. You'll hear the initial attack of the mags, and it will mask any latency of the modeled sound, but as Post #4 stated, you can't do this and use ANY altered tunings, or it will sound terrible. You'd have to be real careful about which models you do this on & what patches or tunings you use them for. I do like the sound of the mags mixed in for some sounds. If you don't use alternate tunings, or you don't on specific models, it's not really an issue.

 

   You can also do this without adding the mags to a specific model in WB, on a patch basis by using input 1 set to "Variax" and input 2 set to "Variax Mags", and avoid having the mags mixed into a model by default. If you wanted to mix the proportion of model to mags, you'd really have to have them separated on a dual path patch.


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#9 McLenison

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 01:31 PM

   That's true. You'll hear the initial attack of the mags, and it will mask any latency of the modeled sound, but as Post #4 stated, you can't do this and use ANY altered tunings, or it will sound terrible. You'd have to be real careful about which models you do this on & what patches or tunings you use them for. I do like the sound of the mags mixed in for some sounds. If you don't use alternate tunings, or you don't on specific models, it's not really an issue.

 

   You can also do this without adding the mags to a specific model in WB, on a patch basis by using input 1 set to "Variax" and input 2 set to "Variax Mags", and avoid having the mags mixed into a model by default. If you wanted to mix the proportion of model to mags, you'd really have to have them separated on a dual path patch.

 

I wonder how the mags would sound blended with a model that had alt tuning as a 12 string counterpart, i.e., octaves for E A D G and detuned B and E strings.  That may be worth playing around with.


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#10 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 01:44 PM

You can mix with alternate tunings that are in harmony like a 5th.  Sounds cool.


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#11 radatats

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 09:17 AM

When blending mags with models, does anybody know which mags are actually blended? 

 

Does it blend the pickups from the model or does it blend the pickups associated with the actual position of the selector switch?

 

For instance, if a model in position 5 (neck pickup) has bridge and middle selected, does the JTV blend the neck or the bridge and middle?


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 09:26 AM

You can blend the Mags and the models - just keep in mind that the mags can't be pitch shifted.

Really?  I missed that in the memo.  Coolio.


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#13 jefflynyrd

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 11:09 AM

You would be blending the pactual pick ups of the (your) JTV.


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#14 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 12:23 PM

My guess is that it blends the pickups based on the selector switch position so you might have to move your  models around to get the blending you like.


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#15 radatats

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 12:45 PM

My guess is that it blends the pickups based on the selector switch position so you might have to move your  models around to get the blending you like.

 

Unfortunately there is more than enough going on in there to allow for either possibility but there is absolutely no official guidance on the truth...  time for an Expert or Specialist to step in...


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#16 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 12:49 PM

Reason I say that is that I believe that the Mags are directly switched by the 5 way switch on my 69S.


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#17 jandrio

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 01:01 PM

Unfortunately there is more than enough going on in there to allow for either possibility but there is absolutely no official guidance on the truth...  time for an Expert or Specialist to step in...

 

 

c abstract from workbench hd manual  (page 10) on foll:

 

http://line6.com/sup...ge-7#entry47129

 

The correct answer is that whatever pickups u have selected via the selector switch, those ones will b blended.


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#18 radatats

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 02:58 PM

The correct answer is that whatever pickups u have selected via the selector switch, those ones will b blended.

 

Thanks!  I totally missed that... I just realligned my models in the Custom 1 bank to match up with the mags.  Very interesting, I get a much clearer tone on chords, higher notes are more defined with the mags blended in...  Kind of wish I hadn't started playing with it cause now there are a million new things to fiddle with...  :D


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 03:17 PM

As a matter of fact, I am curious how the 59 sounds that has only 2 pickups and a 3 way selector on strat's position 4 and 2


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#20 anonyrat

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 09:52 PM

Well I would guess that the 59 in pos 4 & 2 would behave like a 59 in 5 & 1 as the selector is in bridge / neck and 4 & 2 is only electronically achieved.


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